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  • M Michael Dunn

    Ryan McDermott wrote: I heard that microsoft doesn't even use MFC What's your source? Whoever it is, they're dead wrong since the VC 6 IDE is an MFC app. Anyhoo, I know MSDN has a sample that shows how to make a toolbar that looks/acts like a menu. Ryan McDermott wrote: I want an alternative to MFC. Is there any? WTL[^] --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ | You Are Dumb

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    Ryan McDermott
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    Thanks Michael you're a god :) :) :) I guess I will try MFC. I always though the Visual Studio IDE just used regular windows APIs. My Dad's friend that works for IBM, has a few friends at microsoft and that's who told me about Microsoft and MFC. -Ryan M.

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      Thanks Michael you're a god :) :) :) I guess I will try MFC. I always though the Visual Studio IDE just used regular windows APIs. My Dad's friend that works for IBM, has a few friends at microsoft and that's who told me about Microsoft and MFC. -Ryan M.

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      Christian Graus
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      Ryan McDermott wrote: My Dad's friend that works for IBM, has a few friends at microsoft They didn't fire him for that ? :P He may have been thinking of apps like Word, which predate MFC, and I believe continue not to use it. The reason is the cost of a rewrite, not any problem with MFC itself. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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        Ryan McDermott wrote: My Dad's friend that works for IBM, has a few friends at microsoft They didn't fire him for that ? :P He may have been thinking of apps like Word, which predate MFC, and I believe continue not to use it. The reason is the cost of a rewrite, not any problem with MFC itself. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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        Ryan McDermott
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        OK I have always assumed that. I might open up Word or Visual studio in a hex editor and take a look at what DLLs they are linked to ;) Does anybody have any tutorials on MFC? I would appreciate it. -Ryan M.

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          OK I have always assumed that. I might open up Word or Visual studio in a hex editor and take a look at what DLLs they are linked to ;) Does anybody have any tutorials on MFC? I would appreciate it. -Ryan M.

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          Ryan McDermott wrote: Does anybody have any tutorials on MFC? I would appreciate it. I hear there's a cool site called CodeProject with heaps of MFC articles on it..... Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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            Ryan McDermott wrote: Does anybody have any tutorials on MFC? I would appreciate it. I hear there's a cool site called CodeProject with heaps of MFC articles on it..... Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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            ok ok, very cocky now. I have read many a article here at codeproject and I can't really understand all the MFC headers and all those weird APIs. Everything in MFC is so sloppy and I thought it was designed so you can be more productive. Quite the contrary, you write endless lines of classes and macros and where does it getcha? Half of what I say is probably wrong and you all might contradict me but I just am not all that fond of much Microsoft stuff. -Ryan M.

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              OK thanks, I have tried MFC many times but I still can not grasp it. I heard that microsoft doesn't even use MFC they just push it on other people. I have been doing C++ for more than 2 years, I have done 50+ projects but 0 MFC projects. I understand the object oriented concepts extremely well but half that crap code doesn't even look like C++. I want an alternative to MFC. Is there any? -Ryan M.

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              Try wtl. Lots of templates in there though that you might not like the look of. 50+ projects in 2 years eh?

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                Try wtl. Lots of templates in there though that you might not like the look of. 50+ projects in 2 years eh?

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                Ryan McDermott
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                Yes 50+ :) I did mainly small apps like a Splash Screen class, a Remote administration server, basic FTP client. Anyway, I found an interesting book on MFC online that I will order. -Ryan M.

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                  ok ok, very cocky now. I have read many a article here at codeproject and I can't really understand all the MFC headers and all those weird APIs. Everything in MFC is so sloppy and I thought it was designed so you can be more productive. Quite the contrary, you write endless lines of classes and macros and where does it getcha? Half of what I say is probably wrong and you all might contradict me but I just am not all that fond of much Microsoft stuff. -Ryan M.

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                  • R Ryan McDermott

                    OK thanks, I have tried MFC many times but I still can not grasp it. I heard that microsoft doesn't even use MFC they just push it on other people. I have been doing C++ for more than 2 years, I have done 50+ projects but 0 MFC projects. I understand the object oriented concepts extremely well but half that crap code doesn't even look like C++. I want an alternative to MFC. Is there any? -Ryan M.

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                    Have you checked WTL? It is generally considered a good alternative to MFC. Much less crap, smaller binaries. There are also a lot of ready-to-use classes, including menu (check CP's wtl part) Igor Green http://www.grigsoft.com Compare It! + Synchronize It! : Files and folders comparison never was easier!

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                    • R Ryan McDermott

                      ok ok, very cocky now. I have read many a article here at codeproject and I can't really understand all the MFC headers and all those weird APIs. Everything in MFC is so sloppy and I thought it was designed so you can be more productive. Quite the contrary, you write endless lines of classes and macros and where does it getcha? Half of what I say is probably wrong and you all might contradict me but I just am not all that fond of much Microsoft stuff. -Ryan M.

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                      Ryan McDermott wrote: Everything in MFC is so sloppy MFC is an attempt to OO Win32. It's not perfect, by any means. Your best bet is to work your way through some examples, and learn a bit at a time. Ryan McDermott wrote: you write endless lines of classes and macros You shouldn't have to write any macros. Macros are evil. I don't think you need to write endless classes either. Have you done any Win32 ? It's a lot more verbose. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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