Tale of Two Diplomats
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Chris Losinger wrote: based on what, exactly ? can you give me a list of her accomplishments ? Are you really that far out of touch with reality ? Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Chris Losinger wrote: based on what, exactly ? can you give me a list of her accomplishments ? Are you really that far out of touch with reality ? Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: Are you really that far out of touch with reality ? I don't know what her accomplishments are either. I just don't happen to know that information.
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Why wasn't she smart enough to double check the bad intelligence from all those sources? I think Rice's judgment is really what is in question. Everyone knows Rice is intelligent. What does she really value when she is placed in judgment calls is the more interesting question, imo. Is she there because she will or will not put heat on long standing department heads? I like Rice and have watched many interviews but if she is Bush's right hand-woman and Bush is making bad judgment calls. Leaves me thinking "What the fuck is really happening at the Whitehouse?":~ Later, JoeSox Word of the Day: supplant http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: Why wasn't she smart enough to double check the bad intelligence from all those sources? Okay, now let's examine this but from your perspective. You're (according to your bio) a system's administrator and you've just informed your CIO that you've identified a threat to your system and you need umpty-two $$ to protect it with some new piece of hardware / software. Does he duplicate your work in order to prove you right or wrong? Same thing applies here, Rice's subordinates (including one that later publishes a book stating some different) tells her there are threats. So, does she go to country "X" and verify or trust the trusted employee and act or recommend acting on the intelligience? JoeSox wrote: but if she is Bush's right hand-woman and Bush is making bad judgment calls. Subjective, you disagree with decisions but 50% of teh country doesn't. JoeSox wrote: What the f*** is really happening at the Whitehouse? Someone if FINALLY looking out for us, my opinion. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me
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clearly, she has a lot of university experience. but, how about a list of her accomplishments as NSA ? that's what we're talking about here, right? Powell's accomplishments under Bush lead the right to think of him as "quietly" "anti-Bush"; and Rice's accomplishments under Bush lead the right to think of her as "a terrific succcess". because i have no doubt i could find Democrats with equal resumes, and i don't think for a second you'd call them "a terrific succcess". so, what has she done as NSA under Bush that makes you think she's a success ? Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: so, what has she done as NSA under Bush that makes you think she's a success ? I don't know crap about Condi or if she's qualified or not, but I have a question. How can I find out about any previous National Security Advisor's accomplishments under any previous administration? I've looked and I can't find anything. Hard to make a comparison with such a lack of data. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Chris Losinger wrote: so, what has she done as NSA under Bush that makes you think she's a success ? I don't know crap about Condi or if she's qualified or not, but I have a question. How can I find out about any previous National Security Advisor's accomplishments under any previous administration? I've looked and I can't find anything. Hard to make a comparison with such a lack of data. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: Hard to make a comparison with such a lack of data and yet, the right speaks of her as if she's done a terrific job. if you can't make a comparison, how can you say she's done a good job? "good" implies a scale of some kind. they're even talking about her as a possible presidential candidate for 2008 - a pro-choice, single, 50 yr old, black, woman, purjurer - an impossible sell, IMO, yet something has made people think she's all that and a bag of chips. Software | Cleek
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Hard to make a comparison with such a lack of data and yet, the right speaks of her as if she's done a terrific job. if you can't make a comparison, how can you say she's done a good job? "good" implies a scale of some kind. they're even talking about her as a possible presidential candidate for 2008 - a pro-choice, single, 50 yr old, black, woman, purjurer - an impossible sell, IMO, yet something has made people think she's all that and a bag of chips. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: you can't make a comparison, how can you say she's done a good job? I didn't. ;) Chris Losinger wrote: they're even talking about her as a possible presidential candidate for 2008... Never happen. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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JoeSox wrote: Why wasn't she smart enough to double check the bad intelligence from all those sources? that wasn't her job. her job was to facilitate the plans Bush had already decided on. don't believe me? look at who Bush is appointing now; he's appointing yes-men, cronies and political facilitators, not critical thinkers. and look who he's fired over the course of the last four years: people who disagree with him or who challenge his goals. and yes, that's his prerogative. but, if you want to question someone's judgement, start at the top. everyone else is there to tell him what pretty clothes he has. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: that wasn't her job. her job was to facilitate the plans Bush had already decided on. That's right Rice was just an Advisor wasn't she? Chris Losinger wrote: look at who Bush is appointing now; he's appointing yes-men, cronies and political facilitators, not critical thinkers. This is true, imo. But on the flip-side, just for argument's sake "An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." -Niels Bohr Bush has to fix his own mess and perhaps the only way to do it is with these types of people around him. Later, JoeSox Word of the Day: supplant http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Chris Losinger wrote: you can't make a comparison, how can you say she's done a good job? I didn't. ;) Chris Losinger wrote: they're even talking about her as a possible presidential candidate for 2008... Never happen. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: I didn't mea culpa Mike Mullikin wrote: Never happen i've always thought the only way a woman or a black person could get the job was as a Republican. i still don't think the country is ready. but, it might be interesting to see her try. it'd bring out the best and worst in a lot of people, i'm sure. Software | Cleek
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I didn't mea culpa Mike Mullikin wrote: Never happen i've always thought the only way a woman or a black person could get the job was as a Republican. i still don't think the country is ready. but, it might be interesting to see her try. it'd bring out the best and worst in a lot of people, i'm sure. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: i've always thought the only way a woman or a black person could get the job was as a Republican. Probably, but at the same time the successful candidate will have to be centrist not overly right. They'll be losing the hard right racist chauvinists and they'll need to make it up from the left and indies. ;) "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I didn't mea culpa Mike Mullikin wrote: Never happen i've always thought the only way a woman or a black person could get the job was as a Republican. i still don't think the country is ready. but, it might be interesting to see her try. it'd bring out the best and worst in a lot of people, i'm sure. Software | Cleek
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Ms. Rice as a terrific succcess based on what, exactly ? can you give me a list of her accomplishments ? Mike Gaskey wrote: the liberal media views Powell as some sort of traitor for doing the job he agreed to do not a traitor, just a 'good soldier' who did what he was told, against his own better judgement, and squandered his own good reputation in the process. more tragedy than crime. Software | Cleek
The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President without confirmation by the Senate. As such he or she is not connected to the bureaucratic politics of the Departments of State and Defense and therefore is able to offer independent advice. The power and role of the National Security Advisor varies from administration to administration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Security_Advisor[^] Doesn't sound like NSA's ever "accomplish" much, nor really have much power to do so. I suppose you could only judge her success by looking at the advice she gave and decide whether or not it was solid. BW The Biggest Loser
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JoeSox wrote: Why wasn't she smart enough to double check the bad intelligence from all those sources? Okay, now let's examine this but from your perspective. You're (according to your bio) a system's administrator and you've just informed your CIO that you've identified a threat to your system and you need umpty-two $$ to protect it with some new piece of hardware / software. Does he duplicate your work in order to prove you right or wrong? Same thing applies here, Rice's subordinates (including one that later publishes a book stating some different) tells her there are threats. So, does she go to country "X" and verify or trust the trusted employee and act or recommend acting on the intelligience? JoeSox wrote: but if she is Bush's right hand-woman and Bush is making bad judgment calls. Subjective, you disagree with decisions but 50% of teh country doesn't. JoeSox wrote: What the f*** is really happening at the Whitehouse? Someone if FINALLY looking out for us, my opinion. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: Does he duplicate your work in order to prove you right or wrong? I understand your point but this example is not billions of dollars of debt that will be passed on to future generations of Americans, nor is it Manifest Destiny. I am sympathetic to the fact that the whole Whitehouse, including Rice, was going off of bad evidence/intel from the CIA and other sources. To put it in a programming perspective, Bayesian Networks. If the evidence is false then the belief system will be in error. I think there is something really wrong will the checks and balances at the CIA but I really need to read the 9/11 Commission Report[^]. I haven't made time to do that yet. Later, JoeSox Word of the Day: clerisy http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Anonymous wrote: HUR HUR HUR HUR BELITTLING PEOPLE IS FUN AND MAKES ME RIGHT HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR And poking fun at people under the cloak of anonymity makes you feel....???
Paul Lyons, CCPL
Certified Code Project Lurker