Reactions to the Tsunami
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukWhat could I flame you for? You have not posted any opinion of your own. But let me comment the three statements. (1) There may be reasons for the slow response or not, I don't know, so: No Comment. (2) There is no money left, because it has been wasted for killing even more people and destroying more houses than any flood could ever dream of... (3a) Some organisations have already asked the public to stop giving money for asia, because other regions (such as africa) need help, too. People forget things that are not on the news everyday, and we forget places we would not visit on vacations. (3b) Helping Africa is not as easy as helping asia. Just think about the civil wars, corrupt regimes (well, maybe more corrupt than the average), and so on. You never know where your money really goes, if you spend it for helping Africa. People say that for Asia it's not all that bad... Jeremy Davis wrote: I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Well, that's better than being a serial bus in a parallel universe ;P _________________________________ Vote '1' if you're too lazy for a discussion
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe Could be, don't know, but the fact that Amrica would be further away then Europe (Is this so??) doesn't count I think, our communication network serves the entire world in the same fashion and speed. Jeremy Davis wrote: The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq Well, Iraq will provide them money eventually, besides the budget for Iraq was probably miscalculated, the war still isn't over. Jeremy Davis wrote: There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. a) That's because Africa doesn't make the news, there is no publicity for the politicians to find there. b) Too much corruption, militia, war, apartheid, or whatever there (which is sad, because a lot of African people are for peace and rest, it are those few ... :^)) "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
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Chris Losinger wrote: it's up over $200B right now. Is that an actual figure or an exagerration?
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Chris Losinger wrote: it's up over $200B right now. Is that an actual figure or an exagerration?
It's a figure. The war was an exagerration. :rolleyes: -- I got nasty habits. I take tea at three. -- Mick Jagger I blog too now[^]
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Chris Losinger wrote: it's up over $200B right now. Is that an actual figure or an exagerration?
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogI will admit to agreeing with point three. People may be dead, and more will die every day in Africa if we don't do something, but it doesn't seem there is enough shock for the people of Africa. If we do something for them now, we can at least lessen the number of people dieing.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. You'd lose. It is a little over one hundred a day --- 40,000 per year. John Carson Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: didn't start something we had to finish. 1) They HAD TO? Who said so? 2) FINISH? What is finished already? :zzz: _________________________________ Vote '1' if you're too lazy for a discussion
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Jason Henderson wrote: I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. You'd lose. It is a little over one hundred a day --- 40,000 per year. John Carson Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
John Carson wrote: You'd lose. It is a little over one hundred a day --- 40,000 per year. I guess their souls would be "loosed" from this world. :-O
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Jason Henderson
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukHow does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
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Jason Henderson wrote: didn't start something we had to finish. 1) They HAD TO? Who said so? 2) FINISH? What is finished already? :zzz: _________________________________ Vote '1' if you're too lazy for a discussion
Corinna John wrote: 1) They HAD TO? Who said so? 2) FINISH? What is finished already? 1) Well this has been debated and there are good arguments on both sides. I think we had to, you don't. 2) Saddam is finished. Iraq is not and hopefully we won't forsake the Iraqis.
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Jason Henderson
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. That's is an optical illusion. The 800 pound gorilla always looks like he's lumbering slowly. We applied more resource in a faster manner than just about other Nation. Fwiw, here in Las Vegas, besides the collection of so much clothing that many aid agencies have asked the citizens of this city to stop donating all of our schools have started a coin drive. I don't remember a coin drive being instituted since the days of the March of Dimes and its battle to end polio. Also of note, Colen Powell stated yesterday that of the 350 million the US has earmarked for disater relief only 40 million has been used. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq This statement is tripe. It is worthless of real consideration. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. For Americans there is one name that comes to mind: Somalia[^] Jerry He said this was like painstakingly assembling the first layer of a house of cards, then boasting that the next 15,000 layers were a mere formality.--The Code Book, pp. 331 Toasty0.com The Recipe Project
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.uk- No opinion about that, except it sounds like a jingoist, self congratulating attitude. 2) $8billion only??? 3) True. The effects of mediatization on humanitarian catastrophes can't be denied. To sum up, "No picture, no money". "The real tragedy is that every day tens of thousands die of hunger and poverty-related disease," [...] "If you add up a month of those deaths you surpass the Tsunami toll - but hunger and civil war are much less sexy for the media."[^]
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogBritian has sent helicopters in. Chartered planes have been flying from Europe with supplies daily. Also don't forget that the UN has taken in a lot of equipment itself, including planes and trucks (remember the UN is a member-based organisation). India has been building helipads in some the worst affected areas to get food and water out there. The US sent in 5 ships, India has sent 34, etc. WRT money, you can give me a hundred million dollars but I can't spend it faster than the interest builds up. Germany is giving almost $700 million, Australia almost $800 million, but that is only going to be useful for reconstruction which doesn't require an instant response. Remember that $350 million of the US pledge is future debt relief. Right now they need equipment, money can come later. And hopefully this time it will - unlike the earthquake in Bam where as little as $17 million from the $1 billion pledged was actually given. :( It is sad that Brian's comment below seems to be true in some media, which I suspected all along from the stuff that has been aired in the SB. I guess it just depends which media you choose to subscribe to, because I haven't seen anything but. I don't know which newspaper Jeremy reads, but I am not aware of any British newspaper that doesn't push political agendas (or else pornography and rumours). Interesting bit of information: On Tuesday, an Indian helicopter dropping food and water over remote islands was attacked by tribesmen using bows and arrows. The crew were not hurt, and the authorities were taking it as a sign that tribes had not been wiped out by the earthquake and sea surges as many had feared. Wow. About point 3: I agree we can't help the people who are dead so we help the people who are affected by disease and poverty. How is that different from a lot of Africa?
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Duah, Dubya!! I guess some expert team spent sometime to tell Dubya what Tsunami means. As usual Dubya took some time to digest. That's why the slow response. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq Did somebody say Oil? Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. They die because of AIDS. As you know, AIDS is old story.
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
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Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
Today"
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
"Get up and open your eyes. Don't let yourself ever fall down.
Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
Today"
-Days of the NewDo you feel happy now after that big complaint? Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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Do you feel happy now after that big complaint? Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
I've been pretty happy all day, but yeah it's good to vent sometimes. ;) BW
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Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
Today"
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