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I have had a little exposure to programming in Basic when I was in College. This was back before Windows even came out. Now I am wanting to learn programming for the Windows environment. I have had some of the basics, but I don't know what language is most popular,easy to use, etc. I read alittle on Pascal,Cobal,and others. Here is your chance to sort of speak, take me under one's wing and teach me to crawl,walk,and run. I know I can take college courses but, I am on the road 3-4wks and home 2-3days. I do access the internet while away from home. I would hope to someday make my own programs. I understand many of you do this for a living and are very busy, I just want to do this as like a hobby. Can you help? Thanks Huntedwabbit
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I have had a little exposure to programming in Basic when I was in College. This was back before Windows even came out. Now I am wanting to learn programming for the Windows environment. I have had some of the basics, but I don't know what language is most popular,easy to use, etc. I read alittle on Pascal,Cobal,and others. Here is your chance to sort of speak, take me under one's wing and teach me to crawl,walk,and run. I know I can take college courses but, I am on the road 3-4wks and home 2-3days. I do access the internet while away from home. I would hope to someday make my own programs. I understand many of you do this for a living and are very busy, I just want to do this as like a hobby. Can you help? Thanks Huntedwabbit
hey, well that really the same here. I do it for a hobbie the whole way. I assume you are much older then me. I am only 15 so i have less things to do and order in life. But anywho, I would advise getting Visual Studio .Net if you need it I have a few downloads of it. Anyways learn C#, but with every language even a speaking is hard to understand at first, but it all pays off. Just take out books lol that is what I did and done.(library) If you haven't never programmed before you should start out with something simple such as HTML, or JavaScript. Its more of a web programming, but very cool to learn. Another thing I love to program is the macromedia products like Flash MX and FreeHand. You can look that stuff up yourself. Just get started with some basic stuff for your foundation then go on to bigger and better things. -george-
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hey, well that really the same here. I do it for a hobbie the whole way. I assume you are much older then me. I am only 15 so i have less things to do and order in life. But anywho, I would advise getting Visual Studio .Net if you need it I have a few downloads of it. Anyways learn C#, but with every language even a speaking is hard to understand at first, but it all pays off. Just take out books lol that is what I did and done.(library) If you haven't never programmed before you should start out with something simple such as HTML, or JavaScript. Its more of a web programming, but very cool to learn. Another thing I love to program is the macromedia products like Flash MX and FreeHand. You can look that stuff up yourself. Just get started with some basic stuff for your foundation then go on to bigger and better things. -george-
You are so right. I have a son as old as you are. I plan to get visual C++ to start with as I believe it is not as complicated as C#. I have had some instruction in Basic programming (you might say entry level). What I would like to do as well, is be able to take a program and play with it. I went into some files on my computer and all it shows is the machine language. How do I get it translated from machine language to readable language? Then I would like to play with one and see what makes it tick and what other things I could do. I am also, going to take lesson on a C++ tutorial I found on the web. I downloaded a generic compiler but it suggests using Microsoft C++ compiler as it has other features in it to help. So If you have anything like that I can use that would be great! Also, whats the difference between Visual C++ and Visual C++ .net framework? Thanks for the comeback. You have been a great help already. I am a truck driver and I drive around the lower 48 states, I have access to wifi at some of the truck stops so I do check my email often. Thanks again.
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I have had a little exposure to programming in Basic when I was in College. This was back before Windows even came out. Now I am wanting to learn programming for the Windows environment. I have had some of the basics, but I don't know what language is most popular,easy to use, etc. I read alittle on Pascal,Cobal,and others. Here is your chance to sort of speak, take me under one's wing and teach me to crawl,walk,and run. I know I can take college courses but, I am on the road 3-4wks and home 2-3days. I do access the internet while away from home. I would hope to someday make my own programs. I understand many of you do this for a living and are very busy, I just want to do this as like a hobby. Can you help? Thanks Huntedwabbit
Huntedwabbit wrote: I just want to do this as like a hobby Java or C# should be your best choice, I think. The syntax is not so hard and the O-O too. It depends on what you'ld like to do. For database acces and Xml usage, use C# for platform independce or Applets use Java. Good luck. "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
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I have had a little exposure to programming in Basic when I was in College. This was back before Windows even came out. Now I am wanting to learn programming for the Windows environment. I have had some of the basics, but I don't know what language is most popular,easy to use, etc. I read alittle on Pascal,Cobal,and others. Here is your chance to sort of speak, take me under one's wing and teach me to crawl,walk,and run. I know I can take college courses but, I am on the road 3-4wks and home 2-3days. I do access the internet while away from home. I would hope to someday make my own programs. I understand many of you do this for a living and are very busy, I just want to do this as like a hobby. Can you help? Thanks Huntedwabbit
hi, Huntedwabbit wrote: have had some of the basics, but I don't know what language is most popular,easy to use, etc. I read alittle on Pascal,Cobal,and others. Here is my little resume: Pascal - you want to learn algorithms, like playing with trees, graphs, sorts, etc. . No win apps. C++ - you want to have most powerful and effective apps, typicaly for computations, simulations (aka games) etc. Win apps the hard way. C# - you want to have some fun with .NET, both windows, console and web apps ( typical use - "office" programs, like organizers, whatever, games, ... ) Win apps easy way. Java - like C# minus .NET VB - you don't want to learn programming (same goes for Delphi?) COBOL - sorry, I am too young. Can't help there ;) Prolog - you are AI freak :) Huntedwabbit wrote: Now I am wanting to learn programming for the Windows environment oops. I should have read this BEFORE writing about Pascal, COBOL, Prolog... nevermind just my 2cents David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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You are so right. I have a son as old as you are. I plan to get visual C++ to start with as I believe it is not as complicated as C#. I have had some instruction in Basic programming (you might say entry level). What I would like to do as well, is be able to take a program and play with it. I went into some files on my computer and all it shows is the machine language. How do I get it translated from machine language to readable language? Then I would like to play with one and see what makes it tick and what other things I could do. I am also, going to take lesson on a C++ tutorial I found on the web. I downloaded a generic compiler but it suggests using Microsoft C++ compiler as it has other features in it to help. So If you have anything like that I can use that would be great! Also, whats the difference between Visual C++ and Visual C++ .net framework? Thanks for the comeback. You have been a great help already. I am a truck driver and I drive around the lower 48 states, I have access to wifi at some of the truck stops so I do check my email often. Thanks again.
Huntedwabbit wrote: I plan to get visual C++ to start with as I believe it is not as complicated as C# C# is IMO far easier than C++. Huntedwabbit wrote: How do I get it translated from machine language to readable language? What is "readable"? In .NET or Java you can read a lot - using dissasembler (beacouse it's not compiled to machine code - but into something on little higher level of abstraction!). With native code, you (almost?) cannot (because it is compiled to machine code, and lot's of "metadata" get lost). Huntedwabbit wrote: Also, whats the difference between Visual C++ and Visual C++ .net framework? hmm AFAIK Visual C++ == no .NET :) If you plan to use some bigger library, like STL, MFC whatever, I'd vote for .NET Framework being the most friendly of them. David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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You are so right. I have a son as old as you are. I plan to get visual C++ to start with as I believe it is not as complicated as C#. I have had some instruction in Basic programming (you might say entry level). What I would like to do as well, is be able to take a program and play with it. I went into some files on my computer and all it shows is the machine language. How do I get it translated from machine language to readable language? Then I would like to play with one and see what makes it tick and what other things I could do. I am also, going to take lesson on a C++ tutorial I found on the web. I downloaded a generic compiler but it suggests using Microsoft C++ compiler as it has other features in it to help. So If you have anything like that I can use that would be great! Also, whats the difference between Visual C++ and Visual C++ .net framework? Thanks for the comeback. You have been a great help already. I am a truck driver and I drive around the lower 48 states, I have access to wifi at some of the truck stops so I do check my email often. Thanks again.
Thats cool C++ is not so bad. I tried it but I didn't like it so much. To codein c++ takes more lines then C#(proramming lines you create example Console.WriteLine("hello") )... Say like a fileFolderOpener from scratch will take like alot of for c++, but for c# it will take less. Programming in languages just depends on the person really. Some people like languages like French or German. Its the same with a computer language. do you have a c++ compiler? It compiles the code you create to the program to the folder that you chose. hmm when i used c++ before i used Dev C++ I think I am not quite to sure, but if it is Dev C++ it was really good. 48 states, wow sounds like a big job. (i have little patients for something like that. -george-
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I have had a little exposure to programming in Basic when I was in College. This was back before Windows even came out. Now I am wanting to learn programming for the Windows environment. I have had some of the basics, but I don't know what language is most popular,easy to use, etc. I read alittle on Pascal,Cobal,and others. Here is your chance to sort of speak, take me under one's wing and teach me to crawl,walk,and run. I know I can take college courses but, I am on the road 3-4wks and home 2-3days. I do access the internet while away from home. I would hope to someday make my own programs. I understand many of you do this for a living and are very busy, I just want to do this as like a hobby. Can you help? Thanks Huntedwabbit
I too started back in the DOS age, was fun working with QBasic and C. After that I started working on more professional oriented projects for customers of my dads company. I still program for my hobby, but also for a living :) My personal favorite is C#, but I also like to use VB.NET when building ASP.Net websites :) C++ is the real thing, but it's simply too complicated to use when you have little experience. You soon will get into problems that involve pointers and memory leaks and more of that. I wouldn't recommend C++ for a starter. Try to get this book if you want to use C# : C# for professionals. WM.
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You are so right. I have a son as old as you are. I plan to get visual C++ to start with as I believe it is not as complicated as C#. I have had some instruction in Basic programming (you might say entry level). What I would like to do as well, is be able to take a program and play with it. I went into some files on my computer and all it shows is the machine language. How do I get it translated from machine language to readable language? Then I would like to play with one and see what makes it tick and what other things I could do. I am also, going to take lesson on a C++ tutorial I found on the web. I downloaded a generic compiler but it suggests using Microsoft C++ compiler as it has other features in it to help. So If you have anything like that I can use that would be great! Also, whats the difference between Visual C++ and Visual C++ .net framework? Thanks for the comeback. You have been a great help already. I am a truck driver and I drive around the lower 48 states, I have access to wifi at some of the truck stops so I do check my email often. Thanks again.
C++ is in a completely different league than C#. C++ is much, much more difficult. HTML and Javascript are pretty simple, especially HTML. Also all you need to write both is Notepad and a browser. The problem with both for people that have no programming experience is debugging. Unlike Visual Studio languages that provide you with a lot of information about errors, there is essentially no real debugging support for scripting languages. You can spend a lot of time trying to find simple typos if you are not experienced with scripting languages. If you just want to tinker with programming, VB6 is by far the easiest and most enjoyable (translation: least frustrating) language to learn. You can find learning edition books that come with a free copy of learning edition VB6 - it has some limitations, but they are not of importance if you are not a professional developer. Next up are VB.NET and C#. Both are more difficult than VB6, but far, far less difficult than C++. VB.NET and C# are essentially the same in terms of difficulty - mostly just minor differences in syntax. You can also find books that come with learning editions of either. You must have a higher version of Windows than 98, i.e NT4 or Win2K minimum to run Visual Studio .NET. C++ is by far the most powerful, and also by far the most difficult language to program in. You have to contend with a difficult language, and also a very complicated compiler. A beginner can take someone else's working code and still spend a lot of time just trying to get it to properly link and compile. I would not advise anyone to tackle C++ as a hobby, at least not without considerable previous programming experience.