Area 51 in your country
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
Bob Flynn wrote: a fiction book about Area 51. Ha, fiction. Sure it is. Now where did that $20,000 toilet seat go?
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
AFAIK, Area 51 does exist and it is super secret, however I think that it is only a place where the Air Force tests secret aircraft. If you have ever handled secret information then you know that you cannot divulge the information to someone who doesn't have a need to know. In addition, you are also told that you cannot tell anyone that you know secret information or even that you have a secret clearance. I think that the government adheres to this in a broad sense when it denies the fact that Area 51 even exists, which makes conspiracy theorists think that something is up. I think that maintaining national security is more important that satisfying the curiosity of people that have nothing better to do with their lives than to sit outside the gates of Area 51 trying to take a picture of a captured UFO. I wasted an hour one night watching a TV show about a group of people who were doing just that. My two cents, for what it is worth :) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
Bob Flynn wrote: Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I don't know about the alien thing, but area 51 does indeed exist here in Nevada. http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/a51-980315-1_6.jpg[^] Jerry He said this was like painstakingly assembling the first layer of a house of cards, then boasting that the next 15,000 layers were a mere formality.--The Code Book, pp. 331 Toasty0.com DotNetGroup.org
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AFAIK, Area 51 does exist and it is super secret, however I think that it is only a place where the Air Force tests secret aircraft. If you have ever handled secret information then you know that you cannot divulge the information to someone who doesn't have a need to know. In addition, you are also told that you cannot tell anyone that you know secret information or even that you have a secret clearance. I think that the government adheres to this in a broad sense when it denies the fact that Area 51 even exists, which makes conspiracy theorists think that something is up. I think that maintaining national security is more important that satisfying the curiosity of people that have nothing better to do with their lives than to sit outside the gates of Area 51 trying to take a picture of a captured UFO. I wasted an hour one night watching a TV show about a group of people who were doing just that. My two cents, for what it is worth :) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote: My two cents, for what it is worth I guess about two cents
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
The Groom Lake base is real. The military carries on classified projects and cutting edge aircraft development there. That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. UFO stories are just that - unidentified flying objects - unidentified because they're military aircraft that haven't been seen by the public yet. There are some interesting websites on the people who live in the area and all the security that is implemented in the area. Security officers never allow themselves to be photographed, as if they do, they get canned. There are movement detection devices planted all over the place, even in private land adjacent to the base. Locals have had their rights trampled if they even are suspected of gathering information on the base. There are some stories of local reporters having their PC's confiscated, and been put up in the lockup for reporting on the base.
Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
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Gary Kirkham wrote: My two cents, for what it is worth I guess about two cents
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You are being generous. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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The Groom Lake base is real. The military carries on classified projects and cutting edge aircraft development there. That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. UFO stories are just that - unidentified flying objects - unidentified because they're military aircraft that haven't been seen by the public yet. There are some interesting websites on the people who live in the area and all the security that is implemented in the area. Security officers never allow themselves to be photographed, as if they do, they get canned. There are movement detection devices planted all over the place, even in private land adjacent to the base. Locals have had their rights trampled if they even are suspected of gathering information on the base. There are some stories of local reporters having their PC's confiscated, and been put up in the lockup for reporting on the base.
Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
JWood wrote: Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject Yeah, that job got boring and the chair was uncomfortable. Besides, I ran out of alternative subjects. When they wouldn't give me anything but 8.5 x 11 format paper, I moved to Switzerland. :suss: John Theal Physicist at Large Got CAD? http://www.presenter3d.com[^]
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The Groom Lake base is real. The military carries on classified projects and cutting edge aircraft development there. That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. UFO stories are just that - unidentified flying objects - unidentified because they're military aircraft that haven't been seen by the public yet. There are some interesting websites on the people who live in the area and all the security that is implemented in the area. Security officers never allow themselves to be photographed, as if they do, they get canned. There are movement detection devices planted all over the place, even in private land adjacent to the base. Locals have had their rights trampled if they even are suspected of gathering information on the base. There are some stories of local reporters having their PC's confiscated, and been put up in the lockup for reporting on the base.
Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
So you think there is no basis for the alien space ship theories. I think those people that are trying to gather information believe that there are alien ships (I am also confident that there is a foreign intelligence effort there too). Do you think there is any basis for all of the suspicions? If not, is that because you do not think that it is possible that there are alien space craft there, because alien space craft do not exist?
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
I believe the government had to acknowledge its existence in the mid 90's because of some environmental lawsuit. The conspiracy theories could be orchestrated and controlled by the military has part of a large disinformation campaign to keep the public distracted. It worked well in the Roswell incident so I wouldn't be surprised if they have continued with the propaganda in recent years.
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The Groom Lake base is real. The military carries on classified projects and cutting edge aircraft development there. That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. UFO stories are just that - unidentified flying objects - unidentified because they're military aircraft that haven't been seen by the public yet. There are some interesting websites on the people who live in the area and all the security that is implemented in the area. Security officers never allow themselves to be photographed, as if they do, they get canned. There are movement detection devices planted all over the place, even in private land adjacent to the base. Locals have had their rights trampled if they even are suspected of gathering information on the base. There are some stories of local reporters having their PC's confiscated, and been put up in the lockup for reporting on the base.
Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
JWood wrote: That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. No it was not. The stealth aircraft were tested - the f117 Nighthawk ( the wobblin goblin ) - there and it is also supposedly the home of the SR71 replacement which some call Aurora - a mach 5 methane fueled scrammjet - if you believe the "experts". The U2 was a much more plebian aircraft than those we are supposed to have at Groom Lake. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
Isn't it supposed to be somewhere on the Utah Nevada border. I knew I saw something while driving to Vegas last month. There are no two-headed deer :-D "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
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The Groom Lake base is real. The military carries on classified projects and cutting edge aircraft development there. That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. UFO stories are just that - unidentified flying objects - unidentified because they're military aircraft that haven't been seen by the public yet. There are some interesting websites on the people who live in the area and all the security that is implemented in the area. Security officers never allow themselves to be photographed, as if they do, they get canned. There are movement detection devices planted all over the place, even in private land adjacent to the base. Locals have had their rights trampled if they even are suspected of gathering information on the base. There are some stories of local reporters having their PC's confiscated, and been put up in the lockup for reporting on the base.
Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
JWood wrote: Cubicle 51 And it's broadcasted[^] on the Web and TV. :) Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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So you think there is no basis for the alien space ship theories. I think those people that are trying to gather information believe that there are alien ships (I am also confident that there is a foreign intelligence effort there too). Do you think there is any basis for all of the suspicions? If not, is that because you do not think that it is possible that there are alien space craft there, because alien space craft do not exist?
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I just started reading a fiction book about Area 51. Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. I was just wondering if other countries out there have this type of goverment conspiracy theories / top secret military bases. Do you believe the conspiracy theories (Area 51 or your own) or do you think they are just stories that have taken on a life of their own.
Bob Flynn wrote: Area 51 is reported to be a super secret military base where alien ships have been kept for the last 50+ years. Oh yeah!?..... "Police in Paris have discovered a fully equipped cinema-cum-restaurant in a large and previously uncharted cavern underneath the capital's chic 16th arrondissement. Officers admit they are at a loss to know who built or used one of Paris's most intriguing recent discoveries. ... Behind that, a tunnel held a desk and a closed-circuit TV camera set to automatically record images of anyone passing. The mechanism also triggered a tape of dogs barking, "clearly designed to frighten people off," the spokesman said. Further along, the tunnel opened into a vast 400 sq metre cave some 18m underground, "like an underground amphitheatre, with terraces cut into the rock and chairs". There the police found a full-sized cinema screen, projection equipment, and tapes of a wide variety of films, including 1950s film noir classics and more recent thrillers. None of the films were banned or even offensive, the spokesman said. A smaller cave next door had been turned into an informal restaurant and bar. "There were bottles of whisky and other spirits behind a bar, tables and chairs, a pressure-cooker for making couscous," the spokesman said. "The whole thing ran off a professionally installed electricity system and there were at least three phone lines down there." Three days later, when the police returned accompanied by experts from the French electricity board to see where the power was coming from, the phone and electricity lines had been cut and a note was lying in the middle of the floor: "Do not," it said, "try to find us." The miles of tunnels and catacombs underlying Paris are essentially former quarries, dating from Roman times, from which much of the stone was dug to build the city..." http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1299444,00.html[^] :^):suss: Later, JoeSox "Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." - George Carlin CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org
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JWood wrote: That's where the U2 spy plane was developed. No it was not. The stealth aircraft were tested - the f117 Nighthawk ( the wobblin goblin ) - there and it is also supposedly the home of the SR71 replacement which some call Aurora - a mach 5 methane fueled scrammjet - if you believe the "experts". The U2 was a much more plebian aircraft than those we are supposed to have at Groom Lake. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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JWood wrote: Canada has a similar base called Cubicle 51. Its a guy designing super secret paper airplanes. If you ask him what he is doing he gives you a snarky look and changes the subject Yeah, that job got boring and the chair was uncomfortable. Besides, I ran out of alternative subjects. When they wouldn't give me anything but 8.5 x 11 format paper, I moved to Switzerland. :suss: John Theal Physicist at Large Got CAD? http://www.presenter3d.com[^]
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Oh OK - maybe I have been the victim of reading too many questionble websites - I believe that it was tested at Groom Lake though.
JWood wrote: I believe that it was tested at Groom Lake though. That it was. The definitive data on the U-2 is: http://www.blackbirds.net/u2/u2-timeline/u2tl50.html[^] http://www.blackbirds.net/u2/u2-timeline/index.html[^] Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Isn't it supposed to be somewhere on the Utah Nevada border. I knew I saw something while driving to Vegas last month. There are no two-headed deer :-D "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
Ramanan Sivan wrote: There are no two-headed deer That cost me a lot of googling :) My problem was, first I've found this[^] and this one[^] (well, it doesn't have two heads) and you gotta love this[^] ;) Fortunately I've found this book[^] :) You could say that.... David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Ramanan Sivan wrote: There are no two-headed deer That cost me a lot of googling :) My problem was, first I've found this[^] and this one[^] (well, it doesn't have two heads) and you gotta love this[^] ;) Fortunately I've found this book[^] :) You could say that.... David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
That road sign is pretty interesting. Talk about deer in your headlights..I think you'd be the one that's frozen if you see a deer like that one. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
