Student arrested / Terroristic zombie threats in Kentucky
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Christian Graus wrote: Is America really that scared of it's young ? I don't see it. That is, i'm pretty much scared of everyone, but not especially so of kids. For sure, the white trash living next door do far more stupid things***** than do their children. But i notice one thing, just driving around. Schools looking more and more like fortresses... or prisons. Bigger, stronger fences... fewer gates... heavier doors... smaller windows. Maybe it all started out of fear for the children... ...but when the only thing left for them to be hurt by is themselves, it ends up being the same thing. *yeah... as if a constantly sparking chimney wasn't enough, i wake up in the middle of the night to someone screaming, and find out the couple had gotten trashed and stumbled across the yard, in and back out of my foyer (breaking the storm door on their way through), and was busily trying to stumble back without killing each other. Nice. I give their kids another 10 years before *they* really become a problem... and i should be long gone by then.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: But i notice one thing, just driving around. Schools looking more and more like fortresses... or prisons. Bigger, stronger fences... fewer gates... heavier doors... smaller windows. And what does that teach them, if not to be afraid ? *sigh* Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Ok, this is just getting really out of hand and is also a perfect example of news taken out of context. First the full story: A kid writes a story for English class about Zombies taking over a school. (not his school, just *a* school) Unfortunately he is arrested for writing it and charged with "Terroristic threatening" (didn't now that was even a word, but now it's a law): http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=2989614[^] How to report the same story in the most fear mongering way possible: http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2998292[^] By those standards Stephen King is headed for jail as well as the entire writing department of Buffy the Vampire Slayer etc etc.
"Anytime you make any threat or possess matter involving a school or function it's a felony in the state of Kentucky," said Winchester Police detective How does that work?
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Shog9 wrote: But i notice one thing, just driving around. Schools looking more and more like fortresses... or prisons. Bigger, stronger fences... fewer gates... heavier doors... smaller windows. And what does that teach them, if not to be afraid ? *sigh* Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Heck, it scares me. I'm just glad i'm not a kid (and didn't go to public schools). What a way to spend 1/6th of your life! But i've gotta wonder, if maybe i'm missing the whole point. Talking to people who've spent time in prison, i hear that the first shock of getting out is just the open space, the ability to walk whereever you want to, the sight of natural darkness. After spending so much time enclosed, it becomes familiar, and a comfort to go back inside. Maybe this is all just vocational training for a future working in a cube farm... ;)
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Heck, it scares me. I'm just glad i'm not a kid (and didn't go to public schools). What a way to spend 1/6th of your life! But i've gotta wonder, if maybe i'm missing the whole point. Talking to people who've spent time in prison, i hear that the first shock of getting out is just the open space, the ability to walk whereever you want to, the sight of natural darkness. After spending so much time enclosed, it becomes familiar, and a comfort to go back inside. Maybe this is all just vocational training for a future working in a cube farm... ;)
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Or prison. Conditions there are better, surely ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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"Anytime you make any threat or possess matter involving a school or function it's a felony in the state of Kentucky," said Winchester Police detective How does that work?
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrCoca-Cola, Wonderbra (Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen)
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"Anytime you make any threat or possess matter involving a school or function it's a felony in the state of Kentucky," said Winchester Police detective How does that work?
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrCoca-Cola, Wonderbra (Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen)
I would suspect that it's one of a bunch of laws that can't be enforced broadly, but can be brought into play when authorities want to get someone specifically. For example, I jaywalked right in front of a cop today, he ignored it. When I used to not wear a suit to work, I had to be a lot more careful - if I was dressed down to the extreme, I'd get pulled up for anything, anytime. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Or prison. Conditions there are better, surely ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Better food, i hear. I had a stash of candy in one of my desk drawers, but the mice seem to have eaten it. They also left feces scattered all over, and then pissed on a bottle of pain pills i keep for special occasions. :~ I've been working from home a lot more lately...
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Ok, this is just getting really out of hand and is also a perfect example of news taken out of context. First the full story: A kid writes a story for English class about Zombies taking over a school. (not his school, just *a* school) Unfortunately he is arrested for writing it and charged with "Terroristic threatening" (didn't now that was even a word, but now it's a law): http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=2989614[^] How to report the same story in the most fear mongering way possible: http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2998292[^] By those standards Stephen King is headed for jail as well as the entire writing department of Buffy the Vampire Slayer etc etc.
Before everyone crucifies the country, the state, the police, the school and the boy's grandparents you might want to entertain the possibility that the kid is lieing to cover his ass. I don't know if he did or not but I'd like to see the story he wrote before I condemn everyone else. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Before everyone crucifies the country, the state, the police, the school and the boy's grandparents you might want to entertain the possibility that the kid is lieing to cover his ass. I don't know if he did or not but I'd like to see the story he wrote before I condemn everyone else. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Seriously mate, on what level can a kid writing a story be a crime ? Perhaps it might indicate that he needs some help, but it definately does not prove intent to do anything. There are plenty of people who watch horror movies without ever killing anyone. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Just makes jokes involving Kentucky's abysmal adult literacy rates too easy, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: Kentucky's abysmal adult literacy rates What, they've found a way to measure something that low? "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City
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Ok, this is just getting really out of hand and is also a perfect example of news taken out of context. First the full story: A kid writes a story for English class about Zombies taking over a school. (not his school, just *a* school) Unfortunately he is arrested for writing it and charged with "Terroristic threatening" (didn't now that was even a word, but now it's a law): http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=2989614[^] How to report the same story in the most fear mongering way possible: http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2998292[^] By those standards Stephen King is headed for jail as well as the entire writing department of Buffy the Vampire Slayer etc etc.
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Before everyone crucifies the country, the state, the police, the school and the boy's grandparents you might want to entertain the possibility that the kid is lieing to cover his ass. I don't know if he did or not but I'd like to see the story he wrote before I condemn everyone else. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Actually, I have to admit that the first thing I thought was, "Yeah, right. A story about zombies. SURE." You would think a story about zombies would be pretty easy to differentiate from a 'story' about BLAM BLAM BLAM. So I agree - we can't really judge either side without understanding the entire context - it's already obvious that the media is going to slant the story to whichever way they feel their reader/watcher demographic will find most appealing. Still, even if the kid wrote "TOMORROW I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE AT SCHOOL USING MY PARENT'S GUN AND THE BULLETS THEY KEEP HIDDEN IN THE DRAWER WHOSE KEY IS BEHIND THE TOILET TANK AND I WILL DO IT DURING THIRD PERIOD" in his private journal, does that pose a significant danger that warrants TERRORISM charges instead of some therapy? The context is necessary to judge for sure. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if some little asshole on a power trip wanted to terrorize his school. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if a kid who is tortured by social pressures and bullies takes out his frustrations in what he percieved to be a 'safe' place. *shrug* - T
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Actually, I have to admit that the first thing I thought was, "Yeah, right. A story about zombies. SURE." You would think a story about zombies would be pretty easy to differentiate from a 'story' about BLAM BLAM BLAM. So I agree - we can't really judge either side without understanding the entire context - it's already obvious that the media is going to slant the story to whichever way they feel their reader/watcher demographic will find most appealing. Still, even if the kid wrote "TOMORROW I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE AT SCHOOL USING MY PARENT'S GUN AND THE BULLETS THEY KEEP HIDDEN IN THE DRAWER WHOSE KEY IS BEHIND THE TOILET TANK AND I WILL DO IT DURING THIRD PERIOD" in his private journal, does that pose a significant danger that warrants TERRORISM charges instead of some therapy? The context is necessary to judge for sure. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if some little asshole on a power trip wanted to terrorize his school. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if a kid who is tortured by social pressures and bullies takes out his frustrations in what he percieved to be a 'safe' place. *shrug* - T
Fisticuffs wrote: Still, even if the kid wrote "TOMORROW I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE AT SCHOOL USING MY PARENT'S GUN AND THE BULLETS THEY KEEP HIDDEN IN THE DRAWER WHOSE KEY IS BEHIND THE TOILET TANK AND I WILL DO IT DURING THIRD PERIOD" in his private journal, does that pose a significant danger that warrants TERRORISM charges instead of some therapy? I would have hoped that his parents, grandparents and teachers would know him well enough to be able to answer with complete accuracy if he was being serious or writing fiction / unwinding. It disturbs me that so many kids nowadays are missing interactions with the most obvious and important adults in their lives - the people bringing them up. I went overboard one time I was set a short story assignment for English homework and ended up writing a small book. It involved a man betraying his friends and having them killed one by one in intimate detail (all the girls in my class cringed when the bit about the warm intestines was read out). For my GCSE English coursework I wrote another short story about drug trafficking, with car bombs, gun running and the use of cocaine. Neither time was I reported to the police for using my imagination, nor was I picked up by M15 or the narcotics police. I dare say that now though, only eight years later, I would probably be warned not to write like that by my teachers because someone who doesn't know me might read it and misunderstand that it is my imagination not my secret life plan. In the US your kids might have access to guns and school shootings happen every now and again but over here the main problem is disruptive kids and the odd stabbing or two in inner city schools. With those levels going up, and the desirability of the teachers getting close with their pubils falling rapidly (not to mention the legal problems - you pat your student on the back and you go to jail for abuse), these things will happen more and more. It is a dreadful, dreadful shame because their imagination is a big part of who those kids will grow into, and being taught early on that it is bad to express yourself will only create zombies, and other nasty brain-feeding problems. Blame it on the parents, not the kids. Parents today are panicky pack animals who have been nicely conditioned to realise that responsibility always falls with the other guy.
Ðavid Wulff[](</x-turndown)
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Seriously mate, on what level can a kid writing a story be a crime ? Perhaps it might indicate that he needs some help, but it definately does not prove intent to do anything. There are plenty of people who watch horror movies without ever killing anyone. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
You're assuming that he actually wrote such a story. If he did then pretty much regardless of what is says I'd agree with you. No crime. However, I'd say there is a reasonable chance that no story exists and the "journal" they mention is really a plan of action. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Yeah, it's pretty insane. I can't believe that it's gone as far as it has. Is America really that scared of it's young ? Does it have reason to be ? Maybe alienation of the young is what's causing so many problems ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: Is America really that scared of it's young ? Nah, most of us are just too stupid for our own good. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Before everyone crucifies the country, the state, the police, the school and the boy's grandparents you might want to entertain the possibility that the kid is lieing to cover his ass. I don't know if he did or not but I'd like to see the story he wrote before I condemn everyone else. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
You may be completely right, but we still have a thing called freedom of speach. My forefathers died for it and I sure as fuck don't like it when it's abused. Jeremy Falcon
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Fisticuffs wrote: Still, even if the kid wrote "TOMORROW I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE AT SCHOOL USING MY PARENT'S GUN AND THE BULLETS THEY KEEP HIDDEN IN THE DRAWER WHOSE KEY IS BEHIND THE TOILET TANK AND I WILL DO IT DURING THIRD PERIOD" in his private journal, does that pose a significant danger that warrants TERRORISM charges instead of some therapy? I would have hoped that his parents, grandparents and teachers would know him well enough to be able to answer with complete accuracy if he was being serious or writing fiction / unwinding. It disturbs me that so many kids nowadays are missing interactions with the most obvious and important adults in their lives - the people bringing them up. I went overboard one time I was set a short story assignment for English homework and ended up writing a small book. It involved a man betraying his friends and having them killed one by one in intimate detail (all the girls in my class cringed when the bit about the warm intestines was read out). For my GCSE English coursework I wrote another short story about drug trafficking, with car bombs, gun running and the use of cocaine. Neither time was I reported to the police for using my imagination, nor was I picked up by M15 or the narcotics police. I dare say that now though, only eight years later, I would probably be warned not to write like that by my teachers because someone who doesn't know me might read it and misunderstand that it is my imagination not my secret life plan. In the US your kids might have access to guns and school shootings happen every now and again but over here the main problem is disruptive kids and the odd stabbing or two in inner city schools. With those levels going up, and the desirability of the teachers getting close with their pubils falling rapidly (not to mention the legal problems - you pat your student on the back and you go to jail for abuse), these things will happen more and more. It is a dreadful, dreadful shame because their imagination is a big part of who those kids will grow into, and being taught early on that it is bad to express yourself will only create zombies, and other nasty brain-feeding problems. Blame it on the parents, not the kids. Parents today are panicky pack animals who have been nicely conditioned to realise that responsibility always falls with the other guy.
Ðavid Wulff[](</x-turndown)
David Wulff wrote: Blame it on the parents, not the kids. Parents today are panicky pack animals who have been nicely conditioned to realise that responsibility always falls with the other guy. Amen to that! Jeremy Falcon
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Fisticuffs wrote: Still, even if the kid wrote "TOMORROW I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE AT SCHOOL USING MY PARENT'S GUN AND THE BULLETS THEY KEEP HIDDEN IN THE DRAWER WHOSE KEY IS BEHIND THE TOILET TANK AND I WILL DO IT DURING THIRD PERIOD" in his private journal, does that pose a significant danger that warrants TERRORISM charges instead of some therapy? I would have hoped that his parents, grandparents and teachers would know him well enough to be able to answer with complete accuracy if he was being serious or writing fiction / unwinding. It disturbs me that so many kids nowadays are missing interactions with the most obvious and important adults in their lives - the people bringing them up. I went overboard one time I was set a short story assignment for English homework and ended up writing a small book. It involved a man betraying his friends and having them killed one by one in intimate detail (all the girls in my class cringed when the bit about the warm intestines was read out). For my GCSE English coursework I wrote another short story about drug trafficking, with car bombs, gun running and the use of cocaine. Neither time was I reported to the police for using my imagination, nor was I picked up by M15 or the narcotics police. I dare say that now though, only eight years later, I would probably be warned not to write like that by my teachers because someone who doesn't know me might read it and misunderstand that it is my imagination not my secret life plan. In the US your kids might have access to guns and school shootings happen every now and again but over here the main problem is disruptive kids and the odd stabbing or two in inner city schools. With those levels going up, and the desirability of the teachers getting close with their pubils falling rapidly (not to mention the legal problems - you pat your student on the back and you go to jail for abuse), these things will happen more and more. It is a dreadful, dreadful shame because their imagination is a big part of who those kids will grow into, and being taught early on that it is bad to express yourself will only create zombies, and other nasty brain-feeding problems. Blame it on the parents, not the kids. Parents today are panicky pack animals who have been nicely conditioned to realise that responsibility always falls with the other guy.
Ðavid Wulff[](</x-turndown)
David Wulff wrote: Blame it on the parents, not the kids. You say this while knowing absolutely nothing about - the parents (or grandparents) - the kid - the situation - the 'story'/journal Why immediately try to blame the parents without understanding the situation? That's just as reactionary as leading the kid away in chains for thoughtcrime. Do you seriously advocate, say, blaming the Columbine kid's parents more than the little monsters themselves? - T
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David Wulff wrote: Blame it on the parents, not the kids. You say this while knowing absolutely nothing about - the parents (or grandparents) - the kid - the situation - the 'story'/journal Why immediately try to blame the parents without understanding the situation? That's just as reactionary as leading the kid away in chains for thoughtcrime. Do you seriously advocate, say, blaming the Columbine kid's parents more than the little monsters themselves? - T
Fisticuffs wrote: You say this while knowing absolutely nothing about [anything]... I say that while stating my reasons clearly in the three paragraphs above it. I was directly answering your statement, not commenting on the situation.
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrCoca-Cola, Wonderbra (Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen)
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Fisticuffs wrote: You say this while knowing absolutely nothing about [anything]... I say that while stating my reasons clearly in the three paragraphs above it. I was directly answering your statement, not commenting on the situation.
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrCoca-Cola, Wonderbra (Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen)