UK general election 2005
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IMHO, it is about time the UK moves away from a 2 party system. I live in the UK but I am French - and rightly so, I am not allowed to vote for general elections over here. So I am going to try to get you to vote for me :). There is no doubt whatsoever that Labour will be re-elected so make your vote count by voting for a party you actually believe in. It could be the Green Party, Lid Dem, the David Wulff National Society, the BadJerry Confederation (if you really have to). Hey and guess what it could also be the Tories or Labour... And if possible, if you could avoid Kilroy or the BNP... but I am pretty sure you would.
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I've got a similar dilema. My current MP has done a lot of good work since elected. He stands for practially everything I beleive in. Great? Hmmmmm. I don't like the party he represents! :mad: So do I vote for him, or the party I like the most?
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukHow does the ballot for the general election work - do you vote for a party or a personality? Or can you choose both (i.e. you vote for a party and then a personality and they'd choose the MPs that way)? Assuming if his party won he'd stay your local MP, I'd either vote for his party or him directly. Start at the local level IMO, you are unlikely to make any difference on a national scale. :~
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A present? A giant rabbit? Know your enemies, they said... and I know them quite well... I sleep with the enemy!
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I have always voted Tory and always would have. The Liberal party ... who? The Labour 'party' quickly revert to type; i.e. screw everyone who doesn't wear a cloth cap and live in a run-down council house and then tax the real workers till they squeak. Well this boy'll squeak no more: this will be my last election in this country: me and my conservative views are bound for distant shores, never to return. It won’t matter who we elect this time: the damage has gone too far and is too deep. Even if the incoming professional liars made significant changes it would be too late for me: I'd be long dead by the time those changes had any real impact. And I'm not the only one: I have a lot of friends and colleagues who have already gone are contemplating going. This is, of course, terribly sad. I love this country and there is no more beautiful land on the planet. Only it is not ours anymore: our politicians have horse-traded it away and left the natives vulnerable and taxed to exhaustion. I'll miss good old blighty, I really will. But then I'll read about how the UK is now just a small part of a european super-state and I'll laugh. Loudly. And then I'll shed a wee tear for all of the poor saps left behind.
Come to the U.S., we could use your help. "The Yahoos refused to be tamed."
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How does the ballot for the general election work - do you vote for a party or a personality? Or can you choose both (i.e. you vote for a party and then a personality and they'd choose the MPs that way)? Assuming if his party won he'd stay your local MP, I'd either vote for his party or him directly. Start at the local level IMO, you are unlikely to make any difference on a national scale. :~
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Officially you are voting for an individual person. It used to be that the only thing printed on the ballot paper was the candidate's name and address. However, now the candidates party and party logo are printed as well (which obviously muddies the water) In the UK General Election you cannot choose both, you must choose a person. In the elections for the Scottish Parliament you get to choose both because each person gets two ballot papers one using the same first-past-the-post system as in the UK General Election and the other is a proportional representation ballot where you choose a party.
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Brits will probably have the general election[^] to choose the next polticial party to mess up the country on 5th May. I've voted in local elections[^] before where it is fairly easy to find a party member or independant runner that has the best correlation to what you want represented in your community, and I voted in the European election[^] last year where it was somewhat harder to choose between the candidates, but I wasn't old enough to vote on the last general election. This time round I would like to do so but I am totally at a loss as to which way to cast my vote. How do you decide which party to choose? What effect does your choice in the general election have on local government? With the recent US elections there was a ton of information available comparing the policies of the main options but I can't find anything similar to that for the coming UK elections. Not even on the BBC News site. I don't want "vote for Labour" or "vote Conservative" replies, just advice to help someone who doesn't follow national politics decide which of the main parties to choose next month. Thanks.
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I'm a perfect political candidate. I've got high-minded principles that I forget as soon as somebody hands me a lucrative job on the board of a big company. I don't mind immigrants coming into the country, as long as they pay their taxes and don't sponge off the state but will blame them for everything that goes wrong in the blink of an eye rather than deal with the real issues. :-D Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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legalAlien wrote: me and my conservative views are bound for distant shores, never to return. Out of curiosty, would you mind saying where? legalAlien wrote: the damage has gone too far and is too deep What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. legalAlien wrote: Only it is not ours anymore: our politicians have horse-traded it away and left the natives vulnerable To who, for what? legalAlien wrote: left the natives vulnerable and taxed to exhaustion This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
Mike Gaskey wrote: Out of curiosity, would you mind saying where? At present I would but it is over the sea and not too far away and doesn't have Tony B. Liar as its leader. Mike Gaskey wrote: What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. Where can I begin? 1: A steady onslaught of immigrants that are invited in unhindered or checked and have radically changed the nature of the country. This is not meant in a racist way which I am not: I welcome multi-racism and it is certainly the way forward. No, the enemy here has been the foisting upon the indigenous population of multi-culturism. The belief that our own culture should be subsumed by those immigrating here. Now I don't mind people coming here: most people are descended from immigrants of one sort or another, myself included. However, my ancestors did not begin to overwhelm the locals with their culture. If I want to experience someone else's culture I'll go to their country and do it. BTW, I understand the irony of me railing against immigrants when I want to become one myself. The difference, for the most part, is that I shall not be turning up at the airport expecting a house, a car, medical benefits and welfare handouts and then suing anyone who has a go at me or threatening to blow up the country that just invited me in. 2: An almost total breakdown of the criminal justice system such that victims are criminalized and criminals become the victims. The police are more interested in car crime. Shall I continue or is that enough ranting for one session? Mike Gaskey wrote: To who, for what? Mostly to Europe and mostly for nothing. We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit. We are stoopid. And now they want us to contribute the largest single amount of money of any of the participating countries. It was only supposed to be a simple trade agreement. Mike Gaskey wrote: This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. My tax burden has risen incessantly during labours tortured run at governing this country to its knees. My average tax rate is 52% as well as the burden of being an unpaid tax collector and book keeper for Customs and Excise. That deosn't include local taxes and indirect taxation on, for instance, petrol (gas). Enough: even my head
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Come to the U.S., we could use your help. "The Yahoos refused to be tamed."
Hey, I'm as corrupt as the rest: make me an offer.
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IMHO, it is about time the UK moves away from a 2 party system. I live in the UK but I am French - and rightly so, I am not allowed to vote for general elections over here. So I am going to try to get you to vote for me :). There is no doubt whatsoever that Labour will be re-elected so make your vote count by voting for a party you actually believe in. It could be the Green Party, Lid Dem, the David Wulff National Society, the BadJerry Confederation (if you really have to). Hey and guess what it could also be the Tories or Labour... And if possible, if you could avoid Kilroy or the BNP... but I am pretty sure you would.
BadJerry wrote: I live in the UK but I am French - and rightly so, I am not allowed to vote for general elections over here. You are permitted to vote as you are an EU Citizen. Although, for some strange reason you in EU elections you vote for a consituancy in your home country. My ex was Spanish and she voted in all but the EU elections - she got a postal vote for that to vote in Spain.
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I'm a perfect political candidate. I've got high-minded principles that I forget as soon as somebody hands me a lucrative job on the board of a big company. I don't mind immigrants coming into the country, as long as they pay their taxes and don't sponge off the state but will blame them for everything that goes wrong in the blink of an eye rather than deal with the real issues. :-D Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote: the real issues And, in your opinion, they are...
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Out of curiosity, would you mind saying where? At present I would but it is over the sea and not too far away and doesn't have Tony B. Liar as its leader. Mike Gaskey wrote: What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. Where can I begin? 1: A steady onslaught of immigrants that are invited in unhindered or checked and have radically changed the nature of the country. This is not meant in a racist way which I am not: I welcome multi-racism and it is certainly the way forward. No, the enemy here has been the foisting upon the indigenous population of multi-culturism. The belief that our own culture should be subsumed by those immigrating here. Now I don't mind people coming here: most people are descended from immigrants of one sort or another, myself included. However, my ancestors did not begin to overwhelm the locals with their culture. If I want to experience someone else's culture I'll go to their country and do it. BTW, I understand the irony of me railing against immigrants when I want to become one myself. The difference, for the most part, is that I shall not be turning up at the airport expecting a house, a car, medical benefits and welfare handouts and then suing anyone who has a go at me or threatening to blow up the country that just invited me in. 2: An almost total breakdown of the criminal justice system such that victims are criminalized and criminals become the victims. The police are more interested in car crime. Shall I continue or is that enough ranting for one session? Mike Gaskey wrote: To who, for what? Mostly to Europe and mostly for nothing. We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit. We are stoopid. And now they want us to contribute the largest single amount of money of any of the participating countries. It was only supposed to be a simple trade agreement. Mike Gaskey wrote: This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. My tax burden has risen incessantly during labours tortured run at governing this country to its knees. My average tax rate is 52% as well as the burden of being an unpaid tax collector and book keeper for Customs and Excise. That deosn't include local taxes and indirect taxation on, for instance, petrol (gas). Enough: even my head
legalAlien wrote: is not meant in a racist way which I am not Yeah, right, you're just xenophobic. legalAlien wrote: We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes Liar! The UK's allocation from the Structural Funds for the period 2000 - 2006 is over £10 billion.[^] campaigners have pressed the government to publish details of how the subsidies - worth £ 1.7bn last year - were distributed to farmers. [^] Note also that UK main exports are towards EU menbers (Exports partners: Germany 10.5%, France 9.5%, Netherlands 6.9%, Ireland 6.5%, Belgium 5.6%, Spain 4.4%, Italy 4.4%...[^]), thanks to the common market. legalAlien wrote: and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit You liar, again! How many exemptions did the UK ask? From Schengen to Euro, UK often refused to play the same game than others. It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice.
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legalAlien wrote: is not meant in a racist way which I am not Yeah, right, you're just xenophobic. legalAlien wrote: We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes Liar! The UK's allocation from the Structural Funds for the period 2000 - 2006 is over £10 billion.[^] campaigners have pressed the government to publish details of how the subsidies - worth £ 1.7bn last year - were distributed to farmers. [^] Note also that UK main exports are towards EU menbers (Exports partners: Germany 10.5%, France 9.5%, Netherlands 6.9%, Ireland 6.5%, Belgium 5.6%, Spain 4.4%, Italy 4.4%...[^]), thanks to the common market. legalAlien wrote: and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit You liar, again! How many exemptions did the UK ask? From Schengen to Euro, UK often refused to play the same game than others. It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice.
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. Bullshit. Mike K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. Bullshit. Mike K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Out of curiosity, would you mind saying where? At present I would but it is over the sea and not too far away and doesn't have Tony B. Liar as its leader. Mike Gaskey wrote: What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. Where can I begin? 1: A steady onslaught of immigrants that are invited in unhindered or checked and have radically changed the nature of the country. This is not meant in a racist way which I am not: I welcome multi-racism and it is certainly the way forward. No, the enemy here has been the foisting upon the indigenous population of multi-culturism. The belief that our own culture should be subsumed by those immigrating here. Now I don't mind people coming here: most people are descended from immigrants of one sort or another, myself included. However, my ancestors did not begin to overwhelm the locals with their culture. If I want to experience someone else's culture I'll go to their country and do it. BTW, I understand the irony of me railing against immigrants when I want to become one myself. The difference, for the most part, is that I shall not be turning up at the airport expecting a house, a car, medical benefits and welfare handouts and then suing anyone who has a go at me or threatening to blow up the country that just invited me in. 2: An almost total breakdown of the criminal justice system such that victims are criminalized and criminals become the victims. The police are more interested in car crime. Shall I continue or is that enough ranting for one session? Mike Gaskey wrote: To who, for what? Mostly to Europe and mostly for nothing. We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit. We are stoopid. And now they want us to contribute the largest single amount of money of any of the participating countries. It was only supposed to be a simple trade agreement. Mike Gaskey wrote: This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. My tax burden has risen incessantly during labours tortured run at governing this country to its knees. My average tax rate is 52% as well as the burden of being an unpaid tax collector and book keeper for Customs and Excise. That deosn't include local taxes and indirect taxation on, for instance, petrol (gas). Enough: even my head
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legalAlien wrote: is not meant in a racist way which I am not Yeah, right, you're just xenophobic. legalAlien wrote: We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes Liar! The UK's allocation from the Structural Funds for the period 2000 - 2006 is over £10 billion.[^] campaigners have pressed the government to publish details of how the subsidies - worth £ 1.7bn last year - were distributed to farmers. [^] Note also that UK main exports are towards EU menbers (Exports partners: Germany 10.5%, France 9.5%, Netherlands 6.9%, Ireland 6.5%, Belgium 5.6%, Spain 4.4%, Italy 4.4%...[^]), thanks to the common market. legalAlien wrote: and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit You liar, again! How many exemptions did the UK ask? From Schengen to Euro, UK often refused to play the same game than others. It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice.
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. You could replace "conservatives" with "partisans", and it would be just as true. Sadly, no ideology has a monopoly on those willing to ignore the truth when it doesn't fit.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Brits will probably have the general election[^] to choose the next polticial party to mess up the country on 5th May. I've voted in local elections[^] before where it is fairly easy to find a party member or independant runner that has the best correlation to what you want represented in your community, and I voted in the European election[^] last year where it was somewhat harder to choose between the candidates, but I wasn't old enough to vote on the last general election. This time round I would like to do so but I am totally at a loss as to which way to cast my vote. How do you decide which party to choose? What effect does your choice in the general election have on local government? With the recent US elections there was a ton of information available comparing the policies of the main options but I can't find anything similar to that for the coming UK elections. Not even on the BBC News site. I don't want "vote for Labour" or "vote Conservative" replies, just advice to help someone who doesn't follow national politics decide which of the main parties to choose next month. Thanks.
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrDie Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen
Don't vote Tony Blair! That guy was one of the major "architects" of iraq war and I hope that was his last mistake! The only pro-Blair argument is the ban on fox hunting. Don't try it, just do it! ;-)
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. You could replace "conservatives" with "partisans", and it would be just as true. Sadly, no ideology has a monopoly on those willing to ignore the truth when it doesn't fit.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Out of curiosity, would you mind saying where? At present I would but it is over the sea and not too far away and doesn't have Tony B. Liar as its leader. Mike Gaskey wrote: What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. Where can I begin? 1: A steady onslaught of immigrants that are invited in unhindered or checked and have radically changed the nature of the country. This is not meant in a racist way which I am not: I welcome multi-racism and it is certainly the way forward. No, the enemy here has been the foisting upon the indigenous population of multi-culturism. The belief that our own culture should be subsumed by those immigrating here. Now I don't mind people coming here: most people are descended from immigrants of one sort or another, myself included. However, my ancestors did not begin to overwhelm the locals with their culture. If I want to experience someone else's culture I'll go to their country and do it. BTW, I understand the irony of me railing against immigrants when I want to become one myself. The difference, for the most part, is that I shall not be turning up at the airport expecting a house, a car, medical benefits and welfare handouts and then suing anyone who has a go at me or threatening to blow up the country that just invited me in. 2: An almost total breakdown of the criminal justice system such that victims are criminalized and criminals become the victims. The police are more interested in car crime. Shall I continue or is that enough ranting for one session? Mike Gaskey wrote: To who, for what? Mostly to Europe and mostly for nothing. We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit. We are stoopid. And now they want us to contribute the largest single amount of money of any of the participating countries. It was only supposed to be a simple trade agreement. Mike Gaskey wrote: This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. My tax burden has risen incessantly during labours tortured run at governing this country to its knees. My average tax rate is 52% as well as the burden of being an unpaid tax collector and book keeper for Customs and Excise. That deosn't include local taxes and indirect taxation on, for instance, petrol (gas). Enough: even my head
This is the reason I don't vote Tory. The company I would be keeping makes me feel more than a little uncomfortable. It's a damn shame, as many of my political instincts lean to the right. Ryan