UK general election 2005
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. Bullshit. Mike K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Out of curiosity, would you mind saying where? At present I would but it is over the sea and not too far away and doesn't have Tony B. Liar as its leader. Mike Gaskey wrote: What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. Where can I begin? 1: A steady onslaught of immigrants that are invited in unhindered or checked and have radically changed the nature of the country. This is not meant in a racist way which I am not: I welcome multi-racism and it is certainly the way forward. No, the enemy here has been the foisting upon the indigenous population of multi-culturism. The belief that our own culture should be subsumed by those immigrating here. Now I don't mind people coming here: most people are descended from immigrants of one sort or another, myself included. However, my ancestors did not begin to overwhelm the locals with their culture. If I want to experience someone else's culture I'll go to their country and do it. BTW, I understand the irony of me railing against immigrants when I want to become one myself. The difference, for the most part, is that I shall not be turning up at the airport expecting a house, a car, medical benefits and welfare handouts and then suing anyone who has a go at me or threatening to blow up the country that just invited me in. 2: An almost total breakdown of the criminal justice system such that victims are criminalized and criminals become the victims. The police are more interested in car crime. Shall I continue or is that enough ranting for one session? Mike Gaskey wrote: To who, for what? Mostly to Europe and mostly for nothing. We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit. We are stoopid. And now they want us to contribute the largest single amount of money of any of the participating countries. It was only supposed to be a simple trade agreement. Mike Gaskey wrote: This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. My tax burden has risen incessantly during labours tortured run at governing this country to its knees. My average tax rate is 52% as well as the burden of being an unpaid tax collector and book keeper for Customs and Excise. That deosn't include local taxes and indirect taxation on, for instance, petrol (gas). Enough: even my head
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legalAlien wrote: is not meant in a racist way which I am not Yeah, right, you're just xenophobic. legalAlien wrote: We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes Liar! The UK's allocation from the Structural Funds for the period 2000 - 2006 is over £10 billion.[^] campaigners have pressed the government to publish details of how the subsidies - worth £ 1.7bn last year - were distributed to farmers. [^] Note also that UK main exports are towards EU menbers (Exports partners: Germany 10.5%, France 9.5%, Netherlands 6.9%, Ireland 6.5%, Belgium 5.6%, Spain 4.4%, Italy 4.4%...[^]), thanks to the common market. legalAlien wrote: and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit You liar, again! How many exemptions did the UK ask? From Schengen to Euro, UK often refused to play the same game than others. It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice.
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. You could replace "conservatives" with "partisans", and it would be just as true. Sadly, no ideology has a monopoly on those willing to ignore the truth when it doesn't fit.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Brits will probably have the general election[^] to choose the next polticial party to mess up the country on 5th May. I've voted in local elections[^] before where it is fairly easy to find a party member or independant runner that has the best correlation to what you want represented in your community, and I voted in the European election[^] last year where it was somewhat harder to choose between the candidates, but I wasn't old enough to vote on the last general election. This time round I would like to do so but I am totally at a loss as to which way to cast my vote. How do you decide which party to choose? What effect does your choice in the general election have on local government? With the recent US elections there was a ton of information available comparing the policies of the main options but I can't find anything similar to that for the coming UK elections. Not even on the BBC News site. I don't want "vote for Labour" or "vote Conservative" replies, just advice to help someone who doesn't follow national politics decide which of the main parties to choose next month. Thanks.
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrDie Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen
Don't vote Tony Blair! That guy was one of the major "architects" of iraq war and I hope that was his last mistake! The only pro-Blair argument is the ban on fox hunting. Don't try it, just do it! ;-)
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K(arl) wrote: It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice. You could replace "conservatives" with "partisans", and it would be just as true. Sadly, no ideology has a monopoly on those willing to ignore the truth when it doesn't fit.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Out of curiosity, would you mind saying where? At present I would but it is over the sea and not too far away and doesn't have Tony B. Liar as its leader. Mike Gaskey wrote: What sort of damage? Really curious because the daughter of one of my best friends is marrying and moving to the UK next month. Where can I begin? 1: A steady onslaught of immigrants that are invited in unhindered or checked and have radically changed the nature of the country. This is not meant in a racist way which I am not: I welcome multi-racism and it is certainly the way forward. No, the enemy here has been the foisting upon the indigenous population of multi-culturism. The belief that our own culture should be subsumed by those immigrating here. Now I don't mind people coming here: most people are descended from immigrants of one sort or another, myself included. However, my ancestors did not begin to overwhelm the locals with their culture. If I want to experience someone else's culture I'll go to their country and do it. BTW, I understand the irony of me railing against immigrants when I want to become one myself. The difference, for the most part, is that I shall not be turning up at the airport expecting a house, a car, medical benefits and welfare handouts and then suing anyone who has a go at me or threatening to blow up the country that just invited me in. 2: An almost total breakdown of the criminal justice system such that victims are criminalized and criminals become the victims. The police are more interested in car crime. Shall I continue or is that enough ranting for one session? Mike Gaskey wrote: To who, for what? Mostly to Europe and mostly for nothing. We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit. We are stoopid. And now they want us to contribute the largest single amount of money of any of the participating countries. It was only supposed to be a simple trade agreement. Mike Gaskey wrote: This is universal, I certainly feel as though I am. My tax burden has risen incessantly during labours tortured run at governing this country to its knees. My average tax rate is 52% as well as the burden of being an unpaid tax collector and book keeper for Customs and Excise. That deosn't include local taxes and indirect taxation on, for instance, petrol (gas). Enough: even my head
This is the reason I don't vote Tory. The company I would be keeping makes me feel more than a little uncomfortable. It's a damn shame, as many of my political instincts lean to the right. Ryan
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legalAlien wrote: I welcome multi-racism Interesting freudian lisp :laugh: Did you mean multi-racialism?
Nice :)
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legalAlien wrote: is not meant in a racist way which I am not Yeah, right, you're just xenophobic. legalAlien wrote: We, as a nation, get virtually nothing from Europe other than taxes Liar! The UK's allocation from the Structural Funds for the period 2000 - 2006 is over £10 billion.[^] campaigners have pressed the government to publish details of how the subsidies - worth £ 1.7bn last year - were distributed to farmers. [^] Note also that UK main exports are towards EU menbers (Exports partners: Germany 10.5%, France 9.5%, Netherlands 6.9%, Ireland 6.5%, Belgium 5.6%, Spain 4.4%, Italy 4.4%...[^]), thanks to the common market. legalAlien wrote: and rules which all of the other nations ignore as they see fit You liar, again! How many exemptions did the UK ask? From Schengen to Euro, UK often refused to play the same game than others. It's always the same with conservatives all over the world then, they love to distort the facts to fit their prejudice.
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While I agree about the UK being part of the EU in some form is important, using the CIA web site to prove your point isn't the best idea! ;P
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
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While I agree about the UK being part of the EU in some form is important, using the CIA web site to prove your point isn't the best idea! ;P
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukOn the contrary, turning the enemy's weapon against himself is a perfectly valid fighting technique :-D;)
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