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Idiots. :mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Idiots no, this[^] is an idiot.* those other people are much much worse. :) * - ok, not an idiot - just a demented old woman Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry (then claimed it wasn't political), and the "Flush The Koran" sign (as posted yesterday) in Rutherford county, the city of Durham gets three cross burnings[^] and a visit from the ever-hateful Westboro Baptist "Church"[^]. such a tolerant bunch. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry (then claimed it wasn't political), and the "Flush The Koran" sign (as posted yesterday) in Rutherford county, the city of Durham gets three cross burnings[^] and a visit from the ever-hateful Westboro Baptist "Church"[^]. such a tolerant bunch. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry Out of curiousity, how did the pastor know who supported Kerry and who didn't? "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Chris Losinger wrote: after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry Out of curiousity, how did the pastor know who supported Kerry and who didn't? "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
from AP:
Congregants of the 100-member church in western North Carolina have said that Chandler endorsed Bush from the pulpit during last year's presidential campaign and said that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry needed to "repent or resign."
and, reportedly:
"One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave."
so, i guess it was on the Honor System Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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from AP:
Congregants of the 100-member church in western North Carolina have said that Chandler endorsed Bush from the pulpit during last year's presidential campaign and said that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry needed to "repent or resign."
and, reportedly:
"One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave."
so, i guess it was on the Honor System Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger reported: "One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave." Sounds like the "excommunicated" are better off. Despite Stan & Mike's opinions, politics and religion don't mix. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Chris Losinger reported: "One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave." Sounds like the "excommunicated" are better off. Despite Stan & Mike's opinions, politics and religion don't mix. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
agree on both counts. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry (then claimed it wasn't political), and the "Flush The Koran" sign (as posted yesterday) in Rutherford county, the city of Durham gets three cross burnings[^] and a visit from the ever-hateful Westboro Baptist "Church"[^]. such a tolerant bunch. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Chris Losinger reported: "One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave." Sounds like the "excommunicated" are better off. Despite Stan & Mike's opinions, politics and religion don't mix. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: Despite Stan & Mike's opinions, politics and religion don't mix. When have I ever said they did? "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Yeah, America's great, isn't it? Except for the South...
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
Shog9 wrote: Except for the South... Well, in our defense, we did try to leave... "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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from AP:
Congregants of the 100-member church in western North Carolina have said that Chandler endorsed Bush from the pulpit during last year's presidential campaign and said that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry needed to "repent or resign."
and, reportedly:
"One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave."
so, i guess it was on the Honor System Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: so, i guess it was on the Honor System yes, it was, in most cases. I know someone in a related church in the same region that did the same thing, plus ours here did it also. There are probably more, but those are the only three that I have knowledge of and in each case it was honor, though in some cases it was spouses and relatives informing if the person did not admit it. In one case a couple was in abuse counseling through the Church (which I never agree with, but that is only because I have had to endure it), but I do hold my tongue most of the time. The pastor then informed her that not only was her counseling ending, but he was appologizing to the husband for bringing the couple into counseling since obviously the husband saw the demon in her before the Church could. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Despite Stan & Mike's opinions, politics and religion don't mix. When have I ever said they did? "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote: When have I ever said they did? Who are you and what have you done with the *real* Stan Shannon? :suss: "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
No, really, when have I ever argued that we should not have separation of church and state? My only point has been that "sepration of church and state" does not mean "the state must push a secular moral agenda". The state should promote the moral will of the people, and if that will is more religoius than not, so be it. TO say that the state must always promote the secular over the religious represents the very thing the first admenment was trying to prevent - establishement of a singular, state sacntioned, source of moral authority. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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No, really, when have I ever argued that we should not have separation of church and state? My only point has been that "sepration of church and state" does not mean "the state must push a secular moral agenda". The state should promote the moral will of the people, and if that will is more religoius than not, so be it. TO say that the state must always promote the secular over the religious represents the very thing the first admenment was trying to prevent - establishement of a singular, state sacntioned, source of moral authority. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: The state should promote the moral will of the people, and if that will is more religoius than not, so be it. And if that "moral will" is at odds with the "moral will" of the standing POTUS, shouldn't the POTUS accept the peoples will over his own? After all, he is their representative. I think you know where I'm going with this. Isn't it fun when threads come together? ;) "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Yeah, America's great, isn't it? Except for the South...
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
Peter: The deep south? Isn't that the place where the black guys are really lazy and all the white guys are just as lazy but they're mad at the black guys for being so lazy? BW
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception."-- Groucho Marx
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after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry (then claimed it wasn't political), and the "Flush The Koran" sign (as posted yesterday) in Rutherford county, the city of Durham gets three cross burnings[^] and a visit from the ever-hateful Westboro Baptist "Church"[^]. such a tolerant bunch. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
We finally turned the lights on down here in South Carolina. Apparantly, roaches scurry away from the light. Sorry about that. BW
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception."-- Groucho Marx
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Stan Shannon wrote: The state should promote the moral will of the people, and if that will is more religoius than not, so be it. And if that "moral will" is at odds with the "moral will" of the standing POTUS, shouldn't the POTUS accept the peoples will over his own? After all, he is their representative. I think you know where I'm going with this. Isn't it fun when threads come together? ;) "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: And if that "moral will" is at odds with the "moral will" of the standing POTUS, shouldn't the POTUS accept the peoples will over his own? After all, he is their representative. Good point, but on the other hand, to say that a president must be a secularist is no different than saying he must be a baptist. He can't take a poll on every issue to find out what the moral will of the people might be. He was elected by people who knew full well that his moral principles were based on Christian values, therefore the moral will of the people is being expressed by his decisions - in a generic way. Its not like the man hid his opinons on stem cell research during the last campaing. If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Mike Mullikin wrote: And if that "moral will" is at odds with the "moral will" of the standing POTUS, shouldn't the POTUS accept the peoples will over his own? After all, he is their representative. Good point, but on the other hand, to say that a president must be a secularist is no different than saying he must be a baptist. He can't take a poll on every issue to find out what the moral will of the people might be. He was elected by people who knew full well that his moral principles were based on Christian values, therefore the moral will of the people is being expressed by his decisions - in a generic way. Its not like the man hid his opinons on stem cell research during the last campaing. If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. If stem-cell research was the sole criteria being judged I would agree, but in an election the voters must consider a myriad of opinions and beliefs. Most polls show 80% of the US public support stem-cell research. Throw in the fact that a congress controlled by Republicans is likely to pass a law supporting stem-cell research, I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Stan Shannon wrote: If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. If stem-cell research was the sole criteria being judged I would agree, but in an election the voters must consider a myriad of opinions and beliefs. Most polls show 80% of the US public support stem-cell research. Throw in the fact that a congress controlled by Republicans is likely to pass a law supporting stem-cell research, I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
It seems to me that the "moral will" of the people is being represented exactly as it is supposed to be. Congress will override the president's veto, and everyone will be happy. So to me this is all a tempest in a tea pot. OT: It occurs to me that if the president is representing a more extreme, minority, moral view, well, isn't that what the democrats in the senate are promoting - the rights of the minority? And if the will of the minority is to be considered extremist by default, aren't the democrats clearly extremist? :confused: "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Idiots no, this[^] is an idiot.* those other people are much much worse. :) * - ok, not an idiot - just a demented old woman Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
True enough. I generally try not to use profanity - even here. Phelps and those like him are bigots and morons at best. Personally I think "subhuman fuckwits" is a better description. :mad::mad::mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Stan Shannon wrote: If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. If stem-cell research was the sole criteria being judged I would agree, but in an election the voters must consider a myriad of opinions and beliefs. Most polls show 80% of the US public support stem-cell research. Throw in the fact that a congress controlled by Republicans is likely to pass a law supporting stem-cell research, I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. polls currently put W's overall ratings in the low to mid 40s, with his ratings on many individual topics even lower (in the 20s for his SS handling, 30s for his handling of Iraq, etc). and, 6 in 10 say he "doesn't share their priorities". if he cared about the will of the people, we'd see some pretty dramatic changes in his policies. :) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker