US Witch hunt?
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Giles wrote: thinking more about they people they were meant to be representing You forget to hink of the people they are representing. Stan? I guess he would happily pay all his pocket money to keep the liberal leechers out of the govt. (mostly out - because we need a guilty one, right?). So he probably won't mind companies paying the money directly, instead of via individuals. After all, that costs less taxes and is more efficient. ;P
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: You forget to hink of the people they are representing. Stan? I guess he would happily pay all his pocket money to keep the liberal leechers out of the govt. (mostly out - because we need a guilty one, right?). So he probably won't mind companies paying the money directly, instead of via individuals. After all, that costs less taxes and is more efficient. Well actually, Stan would point out the obvious and say that anyone who breaks the law should be punished to the full extent of the law. And further, that it is rather humorous that you find a way to blame this on the corporate world. "Big, bad business is corrupting our political systems!!!" The poor innocent public servants just trying to do their jobs and serve humanity and here comes the big greedy corporations makeing them offers they can't refuse. What a joke. Stan (my precious) would suggest that in all this talk about how business corrupts the state, and how religion corrupts the state, the common factor is the state. If the state is so inherently corruptable, maybe we should be a bit more worried about the state rather than business or religion. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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J. Dunlap wrote: If all the liberals were gone, who would we blame things on? If they were gone, nothing would go wrong to blame. ;P
I am curious - is ignorance truly bliss?
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peterchen wrote: You forget to hink of the people they are representing. Stan? I guess he would happily pay all his pocket money to keep the liberal leechers out of the govt. (mostly out - because we need a guilty one, right?). So he probably won't mind companies paying the money directly, instead of via individuals. After all, that costs less taxes and is more efficient. Well actually, Stan would point out the obvious and say that anyone who breaks the law should be punished to the full extent of the law. And further, that it is rather humorous that you find a way to blame this on the corporate world. "Big, bad business is corrupting our political systems!!!" The poor innocent public servants just trying to do their jobs and serve humanity and here comes the big greedy corporations makeing them offers they can't refuse. What a joke. Stan (my precious) would suggest that in all this talk about how business corrupts the state, and how religion corrupts the state, the common factor is the state. If the state is so inherently corruptable, maybe we should be a bit more worried about the state rather than business or religion. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Well actually, Stan would point out the obvious and say that anyone who breaks the law should be punished to the full extent of the law. And further, that it is rather humorous that you find a way to blame this on the corporate world. Heck, if that were true, we'd have to arrest 99% of the politicians in the world. Politics is the art of stuffing your pockets, and your friends pockets while distracting your "side" with tales of the other guy stuffing their pockets. Every side does it, every side denies it, and everyone gets caught, and the voters just write it off as a "conspiracy" to make their side look bad (or proof the other side is evil incarnate, depending on the which side). Doesn't matter which side of politics you look at, or which country. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Giles wrote: The more I read about this the more I think this is just the Republicans trying to get the knife in the UN. What a joke. I remember the European community up in arms decrying the horrible Brits and Americans who were killing children because of the oil embargo resulting from Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and subsequent refusal to live up to the terms of the aggreement that stopped Gulf War I. So we all agreed to let Iraq sell oil for food and medicines. Only problem was the oil sales didn't get food and medicines for the population at large. Corrupt UN officials took bribes and did what Saddam wanted, so he built palaces and bought Merceddes. Now that those damned Republicans have forced the UN to investigate, which they did under the leadership of an American friend of Goofi Anan, you think it is an evil plot. What a fucking joke. From the linked article: In its third report, the UN-appointed Volcker panel said Benon Sevan took nearly $150,000 in cash bribes. Mr Yakovlev, who resigned from the UN earlier this year, is also accused of receiving almost $1m in bribes outside of the oil-for-food programme. And finally, why shouldn't the UN be investigated, they get plenty of my tax dollars, rape children they're supposed to protect, obvioulsy colluded with Saddam to siphon off oil profits, and occupy prime US NYC real estate tax free. I would love the idea of UN membership put to a US vote. It would go down in flames. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: I remember the European community up in arms decrying the horrible Brits and Americans who were killing children because of the oil embargo resulting from Iraq's invasion of Kuwait You mean a full embargo. Mike Gaskey wrote: subsequent refusal to live up to the terms of the aggreement that stopped Gulf War I. You mean getting rid of WMDs? Mike Gaskey wrote: So we all agreed to let Iraq sell oil for food and medicines. Only problem was the oil sales didn't get food and medicines for the population at large. Corrupt UN officials took bribes and did what Saddam wanted, so he built palaces and bought Merceddes. And so for over a decade it was a system that did nothing but strengthen the previous leadership [and those with ties who stole and took bribes] and destroy the infrastructure and starve the population. In the end when the embargo started crumbling, W came in to save the day. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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Giles wrote: just wish they would say it Many have. Giles wrote: What makes me sick is the hypocrisy. I'm sure US politicians have never taken kickbacks from corporate "campain donations", when they should have been thinking more about they people they were meant to be representing. If they are caught getting illegal money, then they a prosecuted. The people investigating the UN have not been accused of anything like that. Giles wrote: They guy is probably guilty, and I imagine it goes deeper, but a 150,000? It peanuts compared to the kickback from corporate america. The problem was this money was to go to feed the Iraqi people. This money was stolen, and he knew it. No the same a company giving money to candiate.
kgaddy wrote: If they are caught getting illegal money, then they a prosecuted. The people investigating the UN have not been accused of anything like that. No, if they are caught it is a right/left/center/up/down/diagnal conspiracy to blacken their name. First step is to prevent investigation, which is usually 90% effective (you can't be guilty if no one is allowed to investigate you). Second step is to claim ignorance and fire someone, which is also approximately 90% effective. Many politicians are caught, few investigated, and of the many who are investigated, most are found guilty, but few are punished. The buck hasn't stopped at the top in many, many decades -- there is always a good scape-goat. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The more I read about this the more I think this is just the Republicans trying to get the knife in the UN. I don't mind, I just wish they would say it - we don't like you, becuase you represent a different way of doing things. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4131602.stm[^] What makes me sick is the hypocrisy. I'm sure US politicians have never taken kickbacks from corporate "campain donations", when they should have been thinking more about they people they were meant to be representing. They guy is probably guilty, and I imagine it goes deeper, but a 150,000? It peanuts compared to the kickback from corporate america.
Giles wrote: The more I read about this the more I think this is just the Republicans trying to get the knife in the UN. If so, thank God for them. Considering that the other side of our body politic would sell out entirely to the UN, its good to know we have some that are willing to stand up to them. The UN is the most anti-American political organization on the planet, it reflects the corruption and the cowardice of the nations that depend upon it to promote an international socialist agenda that they are now no longer able to promote in any other way. The US should disassociate itself completely and immediately from any affiliation with the UN, and rebuild the world according to its own internally defined Jeffersonian principles. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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kgaddy wrote: If they are caught getting illegal money, then they a prosecuted. The people investigating the UN have not been accused of anything like that. No, if they are caught it is a right/left/center/up/down/diagnal conspiracy to blacken their name. First step is to prevent investigation, which is usually 90% effective (you can't be guilty if no one is allowed to investigate you). Second step is to claim ignorance and fire someone, which is also approximately 90% effective. Many politicians are caught, few investigated, and of the many who are investigated, most are found guilty, but few are punished. The buck hasn't stopped at the top in many, many decades -- there is always a good scape-goat. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: The buck hasn't stopped at the top in many, many decades -- there is always a good scape-goat. Seems that the UN is no different. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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The more I read about this the more I think this is just the Republicans trying to get the knife in the UN. I don't mind, I just wish they would say it - we don't like you, becuase you represent a different way of doing things. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4131602.stm[^] What makes me sick is the hypocrisy. I'm sure US politicians have never taken kickbacks from corporate "campain donations", when they should have been thinking more about they people they were meant to be representing. They guy is probably guilty, and I imagine it goes deeper, but a 150,000? It peanuts compared to the kickback from corporate america.
Oh, but the money came from his deceased aunt. :suss: I hate the UN. :mad: Visit this site. http://www.unisevil.com/
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: The buck hasn't stopped at the top in many, many decades -- there is always a good scape-goat. Seems that the UN is no different. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Rob Graham wrote: Seems that the UN is no different. No one is any different, that is my point. If you are looking for corruption, pick your party, pick your state, do it randomly, by jack-straws, or through political bias, it doesn't matter who you pick, when you pick them, or where, if you look, you'll find they cheated someone, blackmailing someone, stole something, or screwing someone (and probably paying for it -- it's safer than not). or any/all of the above. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Mike Gaskey wrote: I remember the European community up in arms decrying the horrible Brits and Americans who were killing children because of the oil embargo resulting from Iraq's invasion of Kuwait You mean a full embargo. Mike Gaskey wrote: subsequent refusal to live up to the terms of the aggreement that stopped Gulf War I. You mean getting rid of WMDs? Mike Gaskey wrote: So we all agreed to let Iraq sell oil for food and medicines. Only problem was the oil sales didn't get food and medicines for the population at large. Corrupt UN officials took bribes and did what Saddam wanted, so he built palaces and bought Merceddes. And so for over a decade it was a system that did nothing but strengthen the previous leadership [and those with ties who stole and took bribes] and destroy the infrastructure and starve the population. In the end when the embargo started crumbling, W came in to save the day. Quran Translation Intro Discover
A.A. wrote: W came in to save the day and to uncover the mass graves. but, it wasn't W, it was the Security Council of the UN that passed the resolutions that let W (Bush), B (Blair and the Brits), P (Poland), I (Italy) plus others - but write history the way it best pleases you. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me
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kgaddy wrote: If they are caught getting illegal money, then they a prosecuted. The people investigating the UN have not been accused of anything like that. No, if they are caught it is a right/left/center/up/down/diagnal conspiracy to blacken their name. First step is to prevent investigation, which is usually 90% effective (you can't be guilty if no one is allowed to investigate you). Second step is to claim ignorance and fire someone, which is also approximately 90% effective. Many politicians are caught, few investigated, and of the many who are investigated, most are found guilty, but few are punished. The buck hasn't stopped at the top in many, many decades -- there is always a good scape-goat. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: No, if they are caught it is a right/left/center/up/down/diagnal conspiracy to blacken their name. You mean they are never guilty? Never? It's all just a conspiracy? wow Seems to me as long as there are people willing to go after you (left, right or whatever) you should have no shortage of accusations. The proble is that sometimes there is no merit. In this case (Oil for food) there is a lot of merit. Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: there is always a good scape-goat. Are you saying these guys are not guilty? http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/08/un.arrest/index.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165124,00.html
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I am curious - is ignorance truly bliss?
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: No, if they are caught it is a right/left/center/up/down/diagnal conspiracy to blacken their name. You mean they are never guilty? Never? It's all just a conspiracy? wow Seems to me as long as there are people willing to go after you (left, right or whatever) you should have no shortage of accusations. The proble is that sometimes there is no merit. In this case (Oil for food) there is a lot of merit. Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: there is always a good scape-goat. Are you saying these guys are not guilty? http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/08/un.arrest/index.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165124,00.html
kgaddy wrote: You mean they are never guilty? Never? It's all just a conspiracy? wow No, you weren't paying attention. I have never met an honest politician. They are probably very guilty in the UN, they are probably just as guilty here of the same. We already found one US business that was profitting from the same in the order of millions. That dies because "we" don't want it to live. Heck, there were probably in the order of half of our countries in the alliance against Iraq all profitting from the same corrupt program. Everyone dipped their hands in. Politics is making sure that your people get off, and the other guy gets caught. If you opened an investigation on every politician in every country, we'd go into anarchy because they would almost all be guilty of something criminal. That is just politics today. I don't mind the guilty being locked away, just don't say we are any better, we aren't, no one is. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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A.A. wrote: W came in to save the day and to uncover the mass graves. but, it wasn't W, it was the Security Council of the UN that passed the resolutions that let W (Bush), B (Blair and the Brits), P (Poland), I (Italy) plus others - but write history the way it best pleases you. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: and to uncover the mass graves. but, it wasn't W, it was the Security Council of the UN that passed the resolutions that let W (Bush), B (Blair and the Brits), P (Poland), I (Italy) plus others - but write history the way it best pleases you. ???Poland? What kind of war can Polland fight without help? Remember, she was conquered and raped by the Nazis much faster than France fell,and again by the Soviets. :~
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peterchen wrote: You forget to hink of the people they are representing. Stan? I guess he would happily pay all his pocket money to keep the liberal leechers out of the govt. (mostly out - because we need a guilty one, right?). So he probably won't mind companies paying the money directly, instead of via individuals. After all, that costs less taxes and is more efficient. Well actually, Stan would point out the obvious and say that anyone who breaks the law should be punished to the full extent of the law. And further, that it is rather humorous that you find a way to blame this on the corporate world. "Big, bad business is corrupting our political systems!!!" The poor innocent public servants just trying to do their jobs and serve humanity and here comes the big greedy corporations makeing them offers they can't refuse. What a joke. Stan (my precious) would suggest that in all this talk about how business corrupts the state, and how religion corrupts the state, the common factor is the state. If the state is so inherently corruptable, maybe we should be a bit more worried about the state rather than business or religion. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Big, bad business is corrupting our political systems!!!" The poor innocent public servants just trying to do their jobs and serve humanity and here comes the big greedy corporations makeing them offers they can't refuse. What a joke. It is not a joke. Devil makes offers humans can't refuse, by tradition.
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I say your contribution to the codeproject - zero articles, zero technical posts, zero contribution, speaks for itself...
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peterchen wrote: First they want to decide everything, and then they whine about people not liking what they do. Who's whining?
Just listen to a rep talking about taxes.
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peterchen wrote: You forget to hink of the people they are representing. Stan? I guess he would happily pay all his pocket money to keep the liberal leechers out of the govt. (mostly out - because we need a guilty one, right?). So he probably won't mind companies paying the money directly, instead of via individuals. After all, that costs less taxes and is more efficient. Well actually, Stan would point out the obvious and say that anyone who breaks the law should be punished to the full extent of the law. And further, that it is rather humorous that you find a way to blame this on the corporate world. "Big, bad business is corrupting our political systems!!!" The poor innocent public servants just trying to do their jobs and serve humanity and here comes the big greedy corporations makeing them offers they can't refuse. What a joke. Stan (my precious) would suggest that in all this talk about how business corrupts the state, and how religion corrupts the state, the common factor is the state. If the state is so inherently corruptable, maybe we should be a bit more worried about the state rather than business or religion. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
I am not blaming that scandal on big business. I merely commented on the original "think of the people they represent" that maybe taking legal bribes from companies <>is in their interest, because it seems the only way to win an election in the US. "On big business is bad" - where did I write "business is corrupting us"? If you want to quote me, quote me correctly. Here you go: Large Companies undermine political power in all scales. Which wouldn't be bad as such, but with the "everything within the law goes as long as they don't make profits" crowd I would not want them to acquire the power to make the laws. lawful: I am not defending Benon Sevan. If he took bribes, kick him out and never let him take a public office again. (but don't kick out the U.N. for $150.000 bribes. That's what Haliburton seems to make in Iraq in less than an hour. legally. see above) I know that yu are a fierce opposer of bills reducing financial freedom. Would you, once such a thing goes into law, feel bound by it "because it's the law"?
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Giles wrote: The more I read about this the more I think this is just the Republicans trying to get the knife in the UN. If so, thank God for them. Considering that the other side of our body politic would sell out entirely to the UN, its good to know we have some that are willing to stand up to them. The UN is the most anti-American political organization on the planet, it reflects the corruption and the cowardice of the nations that depend upon it to promote an international socialist agenda that they are now no longer able to promote in any other way. The US should disassociate itself completely and immediately from any affiliation with the UN, and rebuild the world according to its own internally defined Jeffersonian principles. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: The UN is the most anti-American political organization on the planet :laugh::laugh::laugh: Yeah, the UN and Amnesty International, these evil bastards who dare to opppose the holy crusade of Saint GWB... Remind me, who created the UN?
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Oh, but the money came from his deceased aunt. :suss: I hate the UN. :mad: Visit this site. http://www.unisevil.com/
KyleEdwards wrote: _http://www.unisevil.com/_ :laugh::laugh::laugh: It's so good to laugh sometimes...a website registered in Bahamas, "sponsored" by "Capitalism magazine", what a surprise. Of course, there's no mention of the outstanding job made by UN organizations like UNESCO[^], UNICEF[^], UNHCR[^] or WHO[^] to name a few.
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