Walken for President
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rwestgraham wrote: When I was in college I worked for an EPA lab, and we were doing a project on tomatoes. We needed a control group, but all the tomatoes we bought in the grocery store tested psoitive for pesticides. So we decided to go to a co-op and buy some "organic tomatoes grown without pesticides". They had as much or more pesticides as the regular store bought ones, LOL. Which EPA lab? I worked at the EPA's Robert S. Kerr Ground water research lab in Ada, OK for about 4 years as an information/research assistant (I managed their library, did interlibrary loan, etc) I'm sure that it is possible to find trully organic produce, but I honestly don't worry too much about pesticides. Obviously, you want to limit your exposure. However, I have never believed that the cancer rates among rodents specifially bred to have known cancer rates and given massive doses of the pesticides tells you much about human reactions to those same compounds. I think nature has given us a fairly good ability to deal with the natural pesticides that plants themselves produce. I feel that for most people that translates into a good defense against artificial pesticides also at least in the minute amounts we ingest them. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Research Triangle in NC. I don't worry about pesticides because most of the average person's exposure to cancer causing agents comes from automobile use.
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Research Triangle in NC. I don't worry about pesticides because most of the average person's exposure to cancer causing agents comes from automobile use.
rwestgraham wrote: I don't worry about pesticides because most of the average person's exposure to cancer causing agents comes from automobile use. Absolutely. You probably expose yourself to more carcinogens just filling your tank up once than you do with 6 months worth of food, not to mention what you're breathing while driving on a busy highway. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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rwestgraham wrote: I don't worry about pesticides because most of the average person's exposure to cancer causing agents comes from automobile use. Absolutely. You probably expose yourself to more carcinogens just filling your tank up once than you do with 6 months worth of food, not to mention what you're breathing while driving on a busy highway. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: just filling your tank up Indeed. I read an article some years ago, claiming that the unleaded gas is really carcinogenic compared to old leaded gas. If my memory serves me right, it was because of the higher levels of benzene in unleaded gas. I wouldn't be too surprised if it turns out that aromatic compounds such as benzene and cigarette smoke are the biggest sources of cancer in the western world. Good music: In my rosary[^]
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Christopher Walken running for President[^]! Don't know if this is a repost but I find it very interesting. Are we going to see an Arnie vs Walken campaign. That'd be like something out of the movies, apart from Walken usually plays the bad guy. :-D Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Hmmm. Everything he says makes sense, but he's not saying much. I'd prefer someone with a bit more experience, myself.
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Stan Shannon wrote: just filling your tank up Indeed. I read an article some years ago, claiming that the unleaded gas is really carcinogenic compared to old leaded gas. If my memory serves me right, it was because of the higher levels of benzene in unleaded gas. I wouldn't be too surprised if it turns out that aromatic compounds such as benzene and cigarette smoke are the biggest sources of cancer in the western world. Good music: In my rosary[^]
Lead compounds were added to gas to reduce knock. They also rapidly poison the catalysts in a catalytic converter rendering it useless, which was why leaded gas was banned after catalytic converters became mandatory equipment. The higher the octane rating, the less knock, so unleaded fuels require higher octane ratings than leaded fuels. Octane rating does not actually measure the compound octane, and benzene is one of the most effective ways to boost octane rating. So it is true that the benzene level is higher in unleaded fuel. Gas with ethanol is much worse, because the ethanol increases the vapor pressure - in layman's terms that means you inhale a lot more vapors from gas that has ethanol added. But it is the exhaust that is really bad. Incomplete combustion produces polyaromatic hydrocarbons that are far more carcinogenic than benzene. Passenger automobile use is the source for more than 50% of the total air pollution in the US. And the run-off pollution from highway residue during rain is such a massive problem that the EPA does not even attempt to monitor it because ther scope of the problem precludes the possibility of any remedial action.
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fakefur wrote: People like you who say "everything is OK" make me feel genuinely nauseaus. But on the flip side, people who moan and wine everything is bad has never lived under a dictator or never lived in Darfur. Kinda makes me nauseaus.
kgaddy wrote: everything is bad "some things are bad" != "everything is bad" kgaddy wrote: people who moan and wine everything is bad has never lived under a dictator or never lived in Darfur. Kinda makes me nauseaus. Had people lived on Venus it would have been worse than living in a desert on earth, but a desert on earth is still a desert.
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fakefur wrote: People like you who say "everything is OK" make me feel genuinely nauseaus. But on the flip side, people who moan and wine everything is bad has never lived under a dictator or never lived in Darfur. Kinda makes me nauseaus.
Why do you think "having lived under a dictator" makes someone special?
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kgaddy wrote: everything is bad "some things are bad" != "everything is bad" kgaddy wrote: people who moan and wine everything is bad has never lived under a dictator or never lived in Darfur. Kinda makes me nauseaus. Had people lived on Venus it would have been worse than living in a desert on earth, but a desert on earth is still a desert.
Not trying to sound mean but this makes no sense. Anonymous wrote: kgaddy wrote: everything is bad "some things are bad" != "everything is bad" kgaddy wrote: people who moan and wine everything is bad has never lived under a dictator or never lived in Darfur. Kinda makes me nauseaus. Had people lived on Venus it would have been worse than living in a desert on earth, but a desert on earth is still a desert. Maybe you should try agin.
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Why do you think "having lived under a dictator" makes someone special?
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: Why do you think "having lived under a dictator" makes someone special? Where is I say that? All I said was we have it pretty good. Ever meet people who were never thankful for whta they have? I not saying we should not try to imptove, but come on..Like my dad used to say when I was a kid and we didnt have any mony for toys, ect. "Be thankful, you could be starving Africa." You have to keep things in perspective.
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Stan Shannon wrote: just filling your tank up Indeed. I read an article some years ago, claiming that the unleaded gas is really carcinogenic compared to old leaded gas. If my memory serves me right, it was because of the higher levels of benzene in unleaded gas. I wouldn't be too surprised if it turns out that aromatic compounds such as benzene and cigarette smoke are the biggest sources of cancer in the western world. Good music: In my rosary[^]
Back in the mid '70's when I was taking organic chemistry, I discovered that benzene was very good as a hand cleaner - until the lab assistant saw me doing it and explained it was one of the most potent carcinogens known. I've been waiting since then for some kind of cancer to strike based on that. So far, so good... :~ No one that I'm related to has ever had cancer (well, anyone under 80 or so) so I'm not too paranoid about it. Still, that kind of exposure doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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peterchen wrote: Why do you think "having lived under a dictator" makes someone special? Where is I say that? All I said was we have it pretty good. Ever meet people who were never thankful for whta they have? I not saying we should not try to imptove, but come on..Like my dad used to say when I was a kid and we didnt have any mony for toys, ect. "Be thankful, you could be starving Africa." You have to keep things in perspective.
kgaddy wrote: Where is I say that? By mentioning it out of thousands of other things you could have mentioned, I assumed it was not just random.
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Not trying to sound mean but this makes no sense. Anonymous wrote: kgaddy wrote: everything is bad "some things are bad" != "everything is bad" kgaddy wrote: people who moan and wine everything is bad has never lived under a dictator or never lived in Darfur. Kinda makes me nauseaus. Had people lived on Venus it would have been worse than living in a desert on earth, but a desert on earth is still a desert. Maybe you should try agin.
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peterchen wrote: Why do you think "having lived under a dictator" makes someone special? Where is I say that? All I said was we have it pretty good. Ever meet people who were never thankful for whta they have? I not saying we should not try to imptove, but come on..Like my dad used to say when I was a kid and we didnt have any mony for toys, ect. "Be thankful, you could be starving Africa." You have to keep things in perspective.
kgaddy wrote: Ever meet people who were never thankful for whta they have? I They are pesimisstic people. It looks like most people are like that, either they focus on bad things they experience or just don't care about the good stuff they got. Ideally, happiness is focusing only on good things and being self-satisfied, but many times people would disregard justice if they focused only on good things.
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It was about the comparison you made. Comparisons make sense only when done among similar objects and among the objects in the same context.
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sweet! "The way your dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any of the slopes were gonna get their greasy yellow hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you." Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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