Canadian Developer
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Anonymous wrote: No wonder: you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Not always. I started my first job at 5.25/hr USA which is less than 50k canadian even given inflation since. However, low wages means his best bet is to get a kid fresh out of college which is hit or miss. And given the low wage, if that kid is good, he'll be gone as soon as he gets enough experience to be noticed by someone who does pay a good wage. Certainly low wages decreases both the level of competancy of the applicants, or decreases the level of respect the applicant has for the employer both. If he finds someone he likes, he won't keep him long. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Anonymous wrote: No wonder: you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Not always. I started my first job at 5.25/hr USA which is less than 50k canadian even given inflation since. However, low wages means his best bet is to get a kid fresh out of college which is hit or miss. And given the low wage, if that kid is good, he'll be gone as soon as he gets enough experience to be noticed by someone who does pay a good wage. Certainly low wages decreases both the level of competancy of the applicants, or decreases the level of respect the applicant has for the employer both. If he finds someone he likes, he won't keep him long. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I was kidding: I guess its relative to where you are living, what you are doing, etc, etc. I earnt a lot less than that (5.25) when I started working many, many, many moons ago and still managed a healthy social life although (foolishly) I never saved a penny. Hopefully $50k is a reasonable living wage in that part of Canada.
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Geting Good Developer in Canada is next to Impossible. How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual fuckup. Your thoughts please. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
It's the same in Trivandrum, India. :sigh:
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These guys knows nothing- has a fucking attitude and wants 50K per year for just yacking. No wonder there are no jobs here. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
keencomputer wrote: wants 50K per year USD or Canadian $ ?
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These guys knows nothing- has a fucking attitude and wants 50K per year for just yacking. No wonder there are no jobs here. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
For 50K Canadian a year you'd find dozens of good programmers here in Brazil. Too bad none would understand english perfectly.;)
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Geting Good Developer in Canada is next to Impossible. How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual fuckup. Your thoughts please. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
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Geting Good Developer in Canada is next to Impossible. How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual fuckup. Your thoughts please. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
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Geting Good Developer in Canada is next to Impossible. How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual fuckup. Your thoughts please. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
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Maybe it's just the Winnipeg area - here in Halifax which is a University town there are plenty of unemployed tech people. Not necessarily programmers but lots of people with hi-tech skills.
Here in winnuipeg, Engineering Graduates are washing dishes and driving cabs. But Ask them to do any thing, no can't do. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
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Geting Good Developer in Canada is next to Impossible. How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual fuckup. Your thoughts please. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
keencomputer wrote: How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual f***up. Your thoughts please. I would think that the things you need to do are: 1. Pay well 2. Offer good conditions Same as anywhere. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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It's the same in Trivandrum, India. :sigh:
They've got at least one good one, don't they ? :P Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Here in winnuipeg, Engineering Graduates are washing dishes and driving cabs. But Ask them to do any thing, no can't do. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
keencomputer wrote: But Ask them to do any thing, no can't do. Do you want to elaborate on that ? Or do you need to see a therapist ? I think it's worth considering that if graduates who are washing dishes refuse to work for you, perhaps they are not the problem...... Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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They've got at least one good one, don't they ? :P Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: They've got at least one good one, don't they ? :-D
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keencomputer wrote: But Ask them to do any thing, no can't do. Do you want to elaborate on that ? Or do you need to see a therapist ? I think it's worth considering that if graduates who are washing dishes refuse to work for you, perhaps they are not the problem...... Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: Do you want to elaborate on that ? Or do you need to see a therapist ? Can no get therapist easy either. Freud penis envy cab driving therapists. ;)
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Geting Good Developer in Canada is next to Impossible. How does one attracts someone whith talent and passion. It is a real problem. It looks like startup companies are left to do with perpetual fuckup. Your thoughts please. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com
If you pay enough to attract a good person, he/she will do the work of three unmotivated mediocre ones. I don't know when you were getting $5.25 but that's less than minimum wage (USD) here now. That's what diswashers get and they don't have to carry a beeper. I get between $45/hr and $65/hr (USD) depending on which of the two local markets I'm in. So, when do I start you cheap bastard? :-D
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If you pay enough to attract a good person, he/she will do the work of three unmotivated mediocre ones. I don't know when you were getting $5.25 but that's less than minimum wage (USD) here now. That's what diswashers get and they don't have to carry a beeper. I get between $45/hr and $65/hr (USD) depending on which of the two local markets I'm in. So, when do I start you cheap bastard? :-D
OldDog.Net wrote: don't know when you were getting $5.25 but that's less than minimum wage (USD) here now. I guess that would depend on what state you are in. Some states are lower than $5.15, some are higer, some have no minimum http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm
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Here in winnuipeg, Engineering Graduates are washing dishes and driving cabs. But Ask them to do any thing, no can't do. Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 ww.keencomputer.com