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Because they didn't know if he was on his way to a meeting or not. fat_boy wrote: What goes through the mind of a police man when he decides, 'hmm, this guy is now a threat'. I'm not a police officer so I cannot answer that. However, at the point he left the house and was walking down the street they did not know his current intentions. He was not in a situation at that point that was a threat to the public safety. That changed when they realised he'd entered a tube station. fat_boy wrote: Running for a train? Shit, we've all done that a hundred times. In obvious site of a train, yes. In a tube station there is no obvious site of a train until you are on the platform. fat_boy wrote: What sort of stupid tactic is that? An obvious, albeit simplistic, one. Normally people don't run, they walk. Criminals are known for running away from police. fat_boy wrote: If he is a threat, then letting him into a crowded place is stupid. It seems to me that they were unaware that he was about to enter a crowded location (or at least unable to catch up with him in time). It is therefore not "stupid" at all, but unfortunate.
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If anyone is charged, let's hope it ISN'T the people who pulled the trigger - they had orders to kill and should not be made scapegoats because of any failings further up the chain of command.
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: According to the leaked report they had explicit orders to shoot to kill. Whoever gave that order needs to be punished. If the officers who pulled the trigger are held responsible, then you can kiss any armed police presence in London goodbye - the others would down their weapons and hand in their cards. And the terrorists will have free rein to run wild in London, safe and sound in the knowledge that the Police aren't armed. That would make me feel MUCH safer. Whoever gave the order to shoot to kill was absolutely justified and should be supported for having the courage to make that decision. Are we trying to protect the general population or the terrorists here?
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Well lets see. If he had a bomb do you think he would have worn a denim jacket? A jacket that could hide nothing at all?
It is possible that a small but powerful bomb could be hidden in a denim jacket.
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So tell me. If it was you or your brother or father or mother or sister who had been shot to death "for the good of the many" would you honestly be saying "Oh OK. Well they had to do that in the interests of the general public". Honestly.
Given that the "Shoot to kill" order was known in advance of the shooting I think that members of my family would have taken the appropriate precautions not to put them selves in a situation that would result in them being killed in the first place. However, if it happened then I would be very upset, obviously, but there would be no actions that would bring them back so what exactly should I do? I would simply have to accept the situation and get on with things.
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It was a hypothesis based on the way the police collect information. A number of people mentioned it.
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Got into a police chase with one of his more junior colleagues. Well, it was more like I was messing around with my brother in his car through town and a copper joind in hundred yards back. I really went for it then and after a couple of quick left - right turns, hid the car behind some public toilets in a car park. My brother got nicked though, I could see him getting nicked about 25 feet in front of me as I was sitting in the car. He ended up getting done for racing on the queens highway. About 4 other cars, traffic, dog handlers, shot past where we were into an industrial estate loking for me. I cruised out after a few minutes, of course I got stopped, but since it was circumstantial that Iwas in a similar car in the same area at the same time they couldnt pin it on me, and they tried. A few months later this Macriel arse pulls me and tells me that I cant pull the woll over his eyes like I can his junior colleagues and that he'll make sure I loose my license. He later lies in court. Before you think I am fairgame for police camera action, I would like to point out that we were full legal, not racing, and not endangering anyone. The filth just liked to pick on us as, like I said, the motorist is an easy target. Every time youd driver back from Torquay to Newton after midnight youd get pulled. Without fail. Breathalise, document check. And if your doing more than 30 mph, your nicked! We used to have to buy new cars just to throw the police off us for a few months. Mind you, it culminated in me having a pink and purple alfa romeo, which kind of stood out a bit. And when my now wife joined the force she was shown round Torquay nick where they have a pink cell, it is supposed to calm down the nutters. Anyway, she dais, 'my boyfriends got a car that colour' the sargent said 'he not XXX is he' (not going to tell you my real name). So I, as a mostly legal, occaisonal road tax out of date, never drink driver, 25 year old was known to the police! Pathetic isnt it, when at the time Torquay was, and is, stuffed with scousers and jocks, most of whoom are into drugs and theft. Nunc est bibendum!
fat_boy wrote: So I, as a mostly legal, occaisonal road tax out of date, never drink driver, 25 year old was known to the police! Pathetic isnt it It's not pathetic at all, and as a resident of those same towns and streets I can say with total conviciton, "Thank fuck you moved to Belgium". Please, don't ever come back.
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Because they didn't know if he was on his way to a meeting or not. fat_boy wrote: What goes through the mind of a police man when he decides, 'hmm, this guy is now a threat'. I'm not a police officer so I cannot answer that. However, at the point he left the house and was walking down the street they did not know his current intentions. He was not in a situation at that point that was a threat to the public safety. That changed when they realised he'd entered a tube station. fat_boy wrote: Running for a train? Shit, we've all done that a hundred times. In obvious site of a train, yes. In a tube station there is no obvious site of a train until you are on the platform. fat_boy wrote: What sort of stupid tactic is that? An obvious, albeit simplistic, one. Normally people don't run, they walk. Criminals are known for running away from police. fat_boy wrote: If he is a threat, then letting him into a crowded place is stupid. It seems to me that they were unaware that he was about to enter a crowded location (or at least unable to catch up with him in time). It is therefore not "stupid" at all, but unfortunate.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: fat_boy wrote: Running for a train? Shit, we've all done that a hundred times. In obvious site of a train, yes. In a tube station there is no obvious site of a train until you are on the platform. I would further that with running for a train and running from the police are done at two different speeds.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: fat_boy wrote: Running for a train? Shit, we've all done that a hundred times. In obvious site of a train, yes. In a tube station there is no obvious site of a train until you are on the platform. I would further that with running for a train and running from the police are done at two different speeds.
"One must learn from the bite of the fire to leave it alone." - Native American Proverb
I've run for trains in the past. Depending on the perceived time I had to catch the train I've run at different speeds. Sometimes increasing to a jog, sometime running full pelt such that when I boarded the train I've only just managed to stop before hitting the door at the opposite side of the carriage. (And after that incident I decided I'd be better off leaving the house 5 minutes earlier because I was still completely out of breath 2 stations later)
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Got into a police chase with one of his more junior colleagues. Well, it was more like I was messing around with my brother in his car through town and a copper joind in hundred yards back. I really went for it then and after a couple of quick left - right turns, hid the car behind some public toilets in a car park. My brother got nicked though, I could see him getting nicked about 25 feet in front of me as I was sitting in the car. He ended up getting done for racing on the queens highway. About 4 other cars, traffic, dog handlers, shot past where we were into an industrial estate loking for me. I cruised out after a few minutes, of course I got stopped, but since it was circumstantial that Iwas in a similar car in the same area at the same time they couldnt pin it on me, and they tried. A few months later this Macriel arse pulls me and tells me that I cant pull the woll over his eyes like I can his junior colleagues and that he'll make sure I loose my license. He later lies in court. Before you think I am fairgame for police camera action, I would like to point out that we were full legal, not racing, and not endangering anyone. The filth just liked to pick on us as, like I said, the motorist is an easy target. Every time youd driver back from Torquay to Newton after midnight youd get pulled. Without fail. Breathalise, document check. And if your doing more than 30 mph, your nicked! We used to have to buy new cars just to throw the police off us for a few months. Mind you, it culminated in me having a pink and purple alfa romeo, which kind of stood out a bit. And when my now wife joined the force she was shown round Torquay nick where they have a pink cell, it is supposed to calm down the nutters. Anyway, she dais, 'my boyfriends got a car that colour' the sargent said 'he not XXX is he' (not going to tell you my real name). So I, as a mostly legal, occaisonal road tax out of date, never drink driver, 25 year old was known to the police! Pathetic isnt it, when at the time Torquay was, and is, stuffed with scousers and jocks, most of whoom are into drugs and theft. Nunc est bibendum!
You are a total and utter wanker. The more you post, the more I realise what a cunt you are. And you're too scared to post your real name too? You fucking coward! You're making slanderous remarks about a copper - who you'll happily name BTW - but you don't have the balls you tell us who you really are! What a fucking lowlife! You sound like a run-of-the-mill boy racer twat to me. fat_boy wrote: stuffed with scousers and jocks, most of whoom are into drugs and theft. Fuck me, it gets worse. ha ha ha. You are entertaining, that's for sure - in a "I'm such a sad loser who desperately craves attention" sort of way. I wonder if all the shit you post is just trolling for effect, and that, in fact, you are an alright kind of guy. Hard to imagine, but I guess anything is possible. I mean, how long did it take someone to respond to your "swearing filter" post with "You missed out 'I am a ...'" - 2 minutes? ho ho ho. Nighty-night fat_boy. I'll swing by tomorrow and see what other nuggets (of crap) you'll share with us. Sweet dreams.
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fat_boy wrote: So I, as a mostly legal, occaisonal road tax out of date, never drink driver, 25 year old was known to the police! Pathetic isnt it It's not pathetic at all, and as a resident of those same towns and streets I can say with total conviciton, "Thank fuck you moved to Belgium". Please, don't ever come back.
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Well, if you live in newton or torquay then you'll know there is far more serious crime to be dealt with than a bunch of young guys doing what young guys do. You really think it is worth the police wasting their time on us! Torquay has turned into a shit hole since the 80's. It used to be a decent place, there is so much crime there now it is not an enjoyable place ot be. And, before you condemn me, let me tell you that I have never got drunk and driven, never had an accident and never hurt anyone. Plus I might just come back to devon one day! Nunc est bibendum!
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You are a total and utter wanker. The more you post, the more I realise what a cunt you are. And you're too scared to post your real name too? You fucking coward! You're making slanderous remarks about a copper - who you'll happily name BTW - but you don't have the balls you tell us who you really are! What a fucking lowlife! You sound like a run-of-the-mill boy racer twat to me. fat_boy wrote: stuffed with scousers and jocks, most of whoom are into drugs and theft. Fuck me, it gets worse. ha ha ha. You are entertaining, that's for sure - in a "I'm such a sad loser who desperately craves attention" sort of way. I wonder if all the shit you post is just trolling for effect, and that, in fact, you are an alright kind of guy. Hard to imagine, but I guess anything is possible. I mean, how long did it take someone to respond to your "swearing filter" post with "You missed out 'I am a ...'" - 2 minutes? ho ho ho. Nighty-night fat_boy. I'll swing by tomorrow and see what other nuggets (of crap) you'll share with us. Sweet dreams.
Slander? Check the definition matey, its only slander if it is said and isnt true. I think you mean libel, and that also is only true if it is written and not true. How could I not name him? f his name wasnt hopper it wouldnt rhyme with bent copper! 'run-of-the-mill boy racer' I guess I could have been mistaken for one in my youth. We had some fun though! But seriously, torquay really has gone down the pan since the 80's. All the scum on the dole from up north moved down to the westcountry, to old hotels that had been carved up into bedsits with the drop in inland tourism. And why not? Whty not sign on in devon rather than liverpool! But, with them came a wave of crime. I should know, I've been going out in torquay since the 80's, my wife was a copper there for 5 years. She has seen its hairy underbelly, and it aint pretty. Nunc est bibendum!
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Well, if you live in newton or torquay then you'll know there is far more serious crime to be dealt with than a bunch of young guys doing what young guys do. You really think it is worth the police wasting their time on us! Torquay has turned into a shit hole since the 80's. It used to be a decent place, there is so much crime there now it is not an enjoyable place ot be. And, before you condemn me, let me tell you that I have never got drunk and driven, never had an accident and never hurt anyone. Plus I might just come back to devon one day! Nunc est bibendum!
Having lost two friends to young guys doing what young guys do, and very nearly losing another a few weeks ago to young guys doing what young guys do, yes I do think it is worth the police wasting their time on you. Do you think that those young guys doing what young guys do didn't think they were doing so completely safely? Do you think those young guys doing what young guys do didn't think the police were wasting their time by hassling them? Well for those I've mentioned, it's too late, they've already lost their lives either doing or at the hands of young guys doing what young guys do. People with no respect for the law have no place here, you, them, or people causing problems on the streets (which is getting better in most places). My opinion of you sunk even lower when you tried to justify not having valid road tax. :omg:
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Having lost two friends to young guys doing what young guys do, and very nearly losing another a few weeks ago to young guys doing what young guys do, yes I do think it is worth the police wasting their time on you. Do you think that those young guys doing what young guys do didn't think they were doing so completely safely? Do you think those young guys doing what young guys do didn't think the police were wasting their time by hassling them? Well for those I've mentioned, it's too late, they've already lost their lives either doing or at the hands of young guys doing what young guys do. People with no respect for the law have no place here, you, them, or people causing problems on the streets (which is getting better in most places). My opinion of you sunk even lower when you tried to justify not having valid road tax. :omg:
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What! Road tax! You are seriously worried if someones road tax is out of data by a month or two! Holy shit, you know the government only spends 20 % of its road tax revenue on the roads? And whats the definition of fraud? Obtaining money by false pretences. So what if I didnt have any road tax for a while. Define mrality. We dont even have road tax in france! Is morality linked to illegality? You sound too square man. I'll bet you never did anything illegal heh? Nunc est bibendum!