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    Jim A Johnson
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    Our opposition party has assembled a set of questions for the Bush clan regarding the response to Katrina: Questions for Bush[^] My question for our rabid righties is: Are these questions fair, and should they be answered? Dying for your response.. and his.

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      Our opposition party has assembled a set of questions for the Bush clan regarding the response to Katrina: Questions for Bush[^] My question for our rabid righties is: Are these questions fair, and should they be answered? Dying for your response.. and his.

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      clueless f**cking demo-scum-crats. wake the f**ck up you idiots, I think most people will eventually see thru this "blame bush b.s." and realize hey, those dufus's in NO didn't do anything, didn't even follow their own plan, so now let's all blame somebody else... FEMA is not a first responder, ie. it is a FEDERAL agency. so first the city, then state SHOULD have handled this mess. there have been all too many articles criticizing the clueless people of LA about their non-existent efforts to do anything until it's too late. like, why didn't LA follow their own state emergency plan ? seen all those pix of hundreds of school buses IN WATER because NO gov sat on his fatt butt not doing anything ? ABC NEWS[^] Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? New Orleans' Emergency Plan Not Followed, Federal Government Slow to Take Lead Sep. 6, 2005 - In New Orleans, those in peril and those in power have pointed the finger squarely at the federal government for the delayed relief effort. But experts say when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments -- not the federal government -- to respond. New Orleans' own comprehensive emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ... stranded" and promises "the city ... will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." "Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves," the plan states. When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed completely. Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient sustenance or security. 'Lives Would Have Been Saved' New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said "80 percent" of the city was evacuated before the storm hit, but Bob Williams says that's not good enough. Williams dealt with emergency response issues as a state representative in Washington when his district was forced to deal with the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980. "If the plan were implemented, lives would have been saved," Williams said. There's no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to ge

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        Our opposition party has assembled a set of questions for the Bush clan regarding the response to Katrina: Questions for Bush[^] My question for our rabid righties is: Are these questions fair, and should they be answered? Dying for your response.. and his.

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        Alvaro Mendez
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        Jim A. Johnson wrote: Are these questions fair They look fair to me. Jim A. Johnson wrote: should they be answered? Yes, of course. But I'm betting the answers will sound like this, "We're currently conducting our own investigation and will not comment until it has been completed. Hurricane Katrina was a terrible disaster and we're doing everything we can to help those in need and to rebuild the affected areas..." Regards, Alvaro


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          Our opposition party has assembled a set of questions for the Bush clan regarding the response to Katrina: Questions for Bush[^] My question for our rabid righties is: Are these questions fair, and should they be answered? Dying for your response.. and his.

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          What I want to know is why are you asking the mayor and Govenor some key questions. I looked the the State Emergency Operations Plan (EOP) for the state of LA and it looks like it was not follows by any of the local goverment. http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/plansindex.htm The evacuation plan states that "Local transportation resources should be marshaled and public transportation plans implemented as needed. Announce the location of staging areas for people who need transportation. Public transportation will concentrate on moving people from the staging areas to safety in host parishes with priority given to people with special needs." It also says that the Governor will "Mobilize State transportation resources to aid in the evacuation of people who have mobility and/or health problems. Deploy to support risk area parishes." It certainly looks like it was the responsibility of the State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans to make sure that people, and that includes poor people, were evacuated. It didn't happen. So ... it's Bush's fault? It's also interesting that Bush declared a natural disaster 48 hours BEFORE the storm hit. That means that the govenor and mayor had an open checkbook to get supplies, transportation, or whatever theuy needed, they did nothing. Bush also offer troops to LA, gov. Blanco said she needed 24 hours to think about it. This was beform the storm hit. Even the mayor blames the gov. for that one. Even the latest cnn/gallop poll shows most people balme the local goverments for their lack of leadership.

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            What I want to know is why are you asking the mayor and Govenor some key questions. I looked the the State Emergency Operations Plan (EOP) for the state of LA and it looks like it was not follows by any of the local goverment. http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/plansindex.htm The evacuation plan states that "Local transportation resources should be marshaled and public transportation plans implemented as needed. Announce the location of staging areas for people who need transportation. Public transportation will concentrate on moving people from the staging areas to safety in host parishes with priority given to people with special needs." It also says that the Governor will "Mobilize State transportation resources to aid in the evacuation of people who have mobility and/or health problems. Deploy to support risk area parishes." It certainly looks like it was the responsibility of the State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans to make sure that people, and that includes poor people, were evacuated. It didn't happen. So ... it's Bush's fault? It's also interesting that Bush declared a natural disaster 48 hours BEFORE the storm hit. That means that the govenor and mayor had an open checkbook to get supplies, transportation, or whatever theuy needed, they did nothing. Bush also offer troops to LA, gov. Blanco said she needed 24 hours to think about it. This was beform the storm hit. Even the mayor blames the gov. for that one. Even the latest cnn/gallop poll shows most people balme the local goverments for their lack of leadership.

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            Don't bother responding to this kind of political opportunism. Let people like Jim and Harry Reed plant their political flags among Katrina's dead. If they wish to freely expose themselves for what they really are - let them. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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              clueless f**cking demo-scum-crats. wake the f**ck up you idiots, I think most people will eventually see thru this "blame bush b.s." and realize hey, those dufus's in NO didn't do anything, didn't even follow their own plan, so now let's all blame somebody else... FEMA is not a first responder, ie. it is a FEDERAL agency. so first the city, then state SHOULD have handled this mess. there have been all too many articles criticizing the clueless people of LA about their non-existent efforts to do anything until it's too late. like, why didn't LA follow their own state emergency plan ? seen all those pix of hundreds of school buses IN WATER because NO gov sat on his fatt butt not doing anything ? ABC NEWS[^] Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? New Orleans' Emergency Plan Not Followed, Federal Government Slow to Take Lead Sep. 6, 2005 - In New Orleans, those in peril and those in power have pointed the finger squarely at the federal government for the delayed relief effort. But experts say when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments -- not the federal government -- to respond. New Orleans' own comprehensive emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ... stranded" and promises "the city ... will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." "Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves," the plan states. When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed completely. Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient sustenance or security. 'Lives Would Have Been Saved' New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said "80 percent" of the city was evacuated before the storm hit, but Bob Williams says that's not good enough. Williams dealt with emergency response issues as a state representative in Washington when his district was forced to deal with the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980. "If the plan were implemented, lives would have been saved," Williams said. There's no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to ge

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              some freedom lovers turn into eurocrats. "Sure your homwetown is filling up like a bathtub, but we can't do anything because your governor didn't file a 27B/6". Guys, it's pathetic and maddening. As easy as Louisiana officials could have gotten help, some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" (And if no one picks up the phone on the other end GET UP HIS ASS AND HAVE A LOOK). As I see it, neither the Dems nor the Reps failed, but the United States of America.


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                some freedom lovers turn into eurocrats. "Sure your homwetown is filling up like a bathtub, but we can't do anything because your governor didn't file a 27B/6". Guys, it's pathetic and maddening. As easy as Louisiana officials could have gotten help, some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" (And if no one picks up the phone on the other end GET UP HIS ASS AND HAVE A LOOK). As I see it, neither the Dems nor the Reps failed, but the United States of America.


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                aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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                peterchen wrote: some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" It looks like that did happen. The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed.

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                  some freedom lovers turn into eurocrats. "Sure your homwetown is filling up like a bathtub, but we can't do anything because your governor didn't file a 27B/6". Guys, it's pathetic and maddening. As easy as Louisiana officials could have gotten help, some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" (And if no one picks up the phone on the other end GET UP HIS ASS AND HAVE A LOOK). As I see it, neither the Dems nor the Reps failed, but the United States of America.


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                  aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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                  peterchen wrote: Guys, it's pathetic and maddening. As easy as Louisiana officials could have gotten help, some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" (And if no one picks up the phone on the other end GET UP HIS ASS AND HAVE A LOOK). Some guy in D.C. did. His name is George W. Bush. Without his am twisting the fucking idiots that ran New Orleans and the State of LA would not even have issued the evacuation orders. Furthermore our system of laws and the governance of the country start at the local level (city), then county (in this case, Parish), then state, then the Federal level. It would have been illegal for the Federal Government to step in and doing anything unless invited. The governor of the state (a Democrat, fyi) sat in her office and shivered like a dog shitting razor blades because she was too afraid of making a decision regarding authorizing the city to use the 100s of school buses (that sat idle) to evacuate those too poor to own vehicles. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me

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                    clueless f**cking demo-scum-crats. wake the f**ck up you idiots, I think most people will eventually see thru this "blame bush b.s." and realize hey, those dufus's in NO didn't do anything, didn't even follow their own plan, so now let's all blame somebody else... FEMA is not a first responder, ie. it is a FEDERAL agency. so first the city, then state SHOULD have handled this mess. there have been all too many articles criticizing the clueless people of LA about their non-existent efforts to do anything until it's too late. like, why didn't LA follow their own state emergency plan ? seen all those pix of hundreds of school buses IN WATER because NO gov sat on his fatt butt not doing anything ? ABC NEWS[^] Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? New Orleans' Emergency Plan Not Followed, Federal Government Slow to Take Lead Sep. 6, 2005 - In New Orleans, those in peril and those in power have pointed the finger squarely at the federal government for the delayed relief effort. But experts say when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments -- not the federal government -- to respond. New Orleans' own comprehensive emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ... stranded" and promises "the city ... will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." "Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves," the plan states. When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed completely. Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient sustenance or security. 'Lives Would Have Been Saved' New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said "80 percent" of the city was evacuated before the storm hit, but Bob Williams says that's not good enough. Williams dealt with emergency response issues as a state representative in Washington when his district was forced to deal with the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980. "If the plan were implemented, lives would have been saved," Williams said. There's no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to ge

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                    Jim A Johnson
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                    I guess then, based on your long-winded rant, that you feel these questions don't need to be answered? Personally it seems to me that there were screwups on every level here. But FEMA has a job to do and it didn't do it.. quite possibly because the head of FEMA is a failed horse-show-organizer with no experience in disaster management. Whoops, gotta counter your lies: greghop wrote: As one FEMA official told ABC News, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco failed to submit a request for help in a timely manner. Utterly, completely, and totally untrue: The Timeline[^]

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                      Our opposition party has assembled a set of questions for the Bush clan regarding the response to Katrina: Questions for Bush[^] My question for our rabid righties is: Are these questions fair, and should they be answered? Dying for your response.. and his.

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                      Now that the inept Democrat leadership has been exposed, there is no question that the city and state go GOP. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me

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                        peterchen wrote: some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" It looks like that did happen. The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed.

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                        Jim A Johnson
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                        kgaddy wrote: President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. SHE DID REQUEST THE ASSISTANCE. See other replies, or any frigging media outlet you care to use.

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                          Don't bother responding to this kind of political opportunism. Let people like Jim and Harry Reed plant their political flags among Katrina's dead. If they wish to freely expose themselves for what they really are - let them. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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                          Jim A Johnson
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                          Your imperviousness to facts is astounding, Stan. Really. You'd be in the Guinness book if there weren't so many others in this country who are equally dense.

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                            kgaddy wrote: President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. SHE DID REQUEST THE ASSISTANCE. See other replies, or any frigging media outlet you care to use.

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                            Jim A. Johnson wrote: SHE DID REQUEST THE ASSISTANCE. See other replies, or any frigging media outlet you care to use. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid. In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. When troops were offerd BEFORE the storm hit, she said she need 24 hours make up her mind. According to the Mayor of NO, Nagen.

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                              peterchen wrote: some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" It looks like that did happen. The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed.

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                              have you seen this http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976[^] ? note the date. make a timeline. note the multiple places where she asks for specific kinds of assistance.

                              Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. ... I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property.

                              plus, you might want to hold off on distributing blame until this is actually over. don't worry, there will be plenty for everyone. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 18:00 Wednesday 7th September, 2005

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                                I guess then, based on your long-winded rant, that you feel these questions don't need to be answered? Personally it seems to me that there were screwups on every level here. But FEMA has a job to do and it didn't do it.. quite possibly because the head of FEMA is a failed horse-show-organizer with no experience in disaster management. Whoops, gotta counter your lies: greghop wrote: As one FEMA official told ABC News, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco failed to submit a request for help in a timely manner. Utterly, completely, and totally untrue: The Timeline[^]

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                                Jim A. Johnson wrote: Utterly, completely, and totally untrue: Maybe u want to vet your sources a little more: This leftist site with a homemade timeline is wrong: 1) Under Aug 26 there is this... http://www.dod.gov/transcripts/2005/tr20050901-3843.html Should be under Sept 1. (not very timely) Also, The mayor of NO told CNN that when offerd troops BEFORE the storm, she refused saying she needed 24 hours to think it over.

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                                  have you seen this http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976[^] ? note the date. make a timeline. note the multiple places where she asks for specific kinds of assistance.

                                  Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. ... I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property.

                                  plus, you might want to hold off on distributing blame until this is actually over. don't worry, there will be plenty for everyone. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 18:00 Wednesday 7th September, 2005

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                                  And it looks like the feds responded the next day and declared a fed emergency (Before the storm) Chris Losinger wrote: you might want to hold off on distributing blame until this is actually over. don't worry, there will be plenty for everyone. I agree, but as you can see from the one who posted the thread, I am not the one who came out putting blame.

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                                    peterchen wrote: Guys, it's pathetic and maddening. As easy as Louisiana officials could have gotten help, some guy in D.C. could have picked up the phone and asked "Looks pretty bad down there. Sure you don't need help?" (And if no one picks up the phone on the other end GET UP HIS ASS AND HAVE A LOOK). Some guy in D.C. did. His name is George W. Bush. Without his am twisting the fucking idiots that ran New Orleans and the State of LA would not even have issued the evacuation orders. Furthermore our system of laws and the governance of the country start at the local level (city), then county (in this case, Parish), then state, then the Federal level. It would have been illegal for the Federal Government to step in and doing anything unless invited. The governor of the state (a Democrat, fyi) sat in her office and shivered like a dog shitting razor blades because she was too afraid of making a decision regarding authorizing the city to use the 100s of school buses (that sat idle) to evacuate those too poor to own vehicles. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me

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                                    I'm not so much astonished about the evacuation (though 20% seems more than usual, a lot of people will always remain and try to "protect their homes" or "ride it out"), but the afterwards response seemed painfully slow. Maybe it wasn't that clear a week ago, but it looks like it was pretty obvious even back then that the worst scenario actually happened. Do you think the town, or the state would be able to deal with that alone? It is so bizarre. Reps blaming Dems for NOT asking the Feds for help. The leader of the free world, and an true icon of the american way (I am not ironic) NOT stepping up to save the day. Everybody over here believed that the US had the power and technology to help themselves quickly and efficiently. Well, they didn't. As it looks, because of Red Tape. Mike Gaskey wrote: because she was too afraid of making a decision So the plan fails because of one person failing? Your plan sucks.


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                                      clueless f**cking demo-scum-crats. wake the f**ck up you idiots, I think most people will eventually see thru this "blame bush b.s." and realize hey, those dufus's in NO didn't do anything, didn't even follow their own plan, so now let's all blame somebody else... FEMA is not a first responder, ie. it is a FEDERAL agency. so first the city, then state SHOULD have handled this mess. there have been all too many articles criticizing the clueless people of LA about their non-existent efforts to do anything until it's too late. like, why didn't LA follow their own state emergency plan ? seen all those pix of hundreds of school buses IN WATER because NO gov sat on his fatt butt not doing anything ? ABC NEWS[^] Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? New Orleans' Emergency Plan Not Followed, Federal Government Slow to Take Lead Sep. 6, 2005 - In New Orleans, those in peril and those in power have pointed the finger squarely at the federal government for the delayed relief effort. But experts say when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments -- not the federal government -- to respond. New Orleans' own comprehensive emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ... stranded" and promises "the city ... will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." "Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves," the plan states. When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed completely. Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient sustenance or security. 'Lives Would Have Been Saved' New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said "80 percent" of the city was evacuated before the storm hit, but Bob Williams says that's not good enough. Williams dealt with emergency response issues as a state representative in Washington when his district was forced to deal with the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980. "If the plan were implemented, lives would have been saved," Williams said. There's no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to ge

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                                      I'm just going to put these things out there. Louisiana asked for help. They declared a state of emergency on Aug 26th. http://gov.louisiana.gov/2005%20%20proclamations/48pro2005-Emergency-HurricaneKatrina.pdf[^] Then specifically appealed to the president on Aug 28th. http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf[^] FEMA decides to refuse help. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/[^] Quote from transcript, said by Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard: Let me give you just three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines." Sheriff Harry Lee said that if America--American government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in this crisis. NOTE: I do not put all the blame on any one person or political group. A lot of people dropped the ball on this one. -J


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                                        And it looks like the feds responded the next day and declared a fed emergency (Before the storm) Chris Losinger wrote: you might want to hold off on distributing blame until this is actually over. don't worry, there will be plenty for everyone. I agree, but as you can see from the one who posted the thread, I am not the one who came out putting blame.

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                                        Jim A Johnson
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                                        kgaddy wrote: I agree, but as you can see from the one who posted the thread, I am not the one who came out putting blame. Actually, if you read what I wrote, you'll see that I am not assigning blame, just asking if these are valid questions.

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                                          Jim A. Johnson wrote: SHE DID REQUEST THE ASSISTANCE. See other replies, or any frigging media outlet you care to use. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid. In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. When troops were offerd BEFORE the storm hit, she said she need 24 hours make up her mind. According to the Mayor of NO, Nagen.

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                                          kgaddy wrote: She failed to send a timely request for specific aid. Exactly what I mean. If you hear a friend shouting "Help!", do you ask back "what kind of help?", or do you have a look? (hint: that's a trick question)


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