Real discussion...

Mauricio Ritter

Ok... let´s start a real discussion here. I remember that I´ve spended a fortune with my MCSD certification. Now MS lauched the new VS and I need to do all the MCSD stuff again. Wouldn´t be fair if they have an UPGRADE certification, like they created for Windows 2000 ? They could at least give us a discount on the tests or something... I´ll have to spend a fortune again... :mad: :mad: Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank

Nish Nishant

I am surprised that you actually think you would do yourself good by getting a new certification, Mauricio. Just show them that game you created and also show them the new racing game. In my opinion, that alone should give anybody with any sense a pretty good idea of your programming skills. Buster Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org

Mauricio Ritter

Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Just show them that game you created and also show them the new racing game. The problem is that I can´t submit my games with my resume. I really don´t think they would be usefull if I send my resume applying to a datawarehouse/database job or a web development one (this thingys give some good money sometimes). I hope that someday I create games fulltime and stop working with things I don´t like much. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: In my opinion, that alone should give anybody with any sense a pretty good idea of your programming skills. I would like if things works that way, but here a certification means a lot (some companies pay more if you have a certification). I´ve another problem... I´m instructor in a MS ATEC, so I need the cert to minister the courses. :( Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank

Joao Vaz

Hum ... Mauricio, You don't need to upgrade the certification if you have a VB/VC6++ version, microsoft changed their terms of certification :) You don't need the MCSD.NET certification for nothing , unless you are trying to showoff your skills to apply to a new job ... In the past i was a MCSD with VB5 and sql 6.5 , then i lost it X| , but my actual company pays me the exams... eh eh , so i taked and passed the designing and implementing ... sql2000 and the 2 VC6++ exams and i'll take the 70-100 shortly, i think ... i waiting since the beginning of February to take the bloody exam :mad: . A note, you don't need to pay a fortune for the certification :-D , you only need to pay the exams if your company doesn't support it. Exists a established way of passing MS Certification exams , called Braindumps , making many dumb and stupid guys earn something more money than the competent ones :mad: , make the MCSD a bad joke ... I studied very hard to pass the exams and i have 3 years of professional experience programming VB/VC++(including MFC, COM and ATL), i don't like a kid of 13 years to take all 4 exams with high marks(real case) , only because he did known the questions and the answers ... I can't give you the link for this sites(they're well know, i think), but if you search the WEB with the MCSD and Braindump , you will find these teasers. If you have already have the VB/VC6++ exams , then the lamer thing to do is waiting on this sites to the Q & A on last trimester of 2002 ,since the exams will enter beta in April/May ... Why don't you show off your games , i think it's pretty good publicity :) , Não te preocupes muito com a certificação, mostra os teus conhecimentos técnicos, que as pessoas vão reconhecer o teu trabalho, não é por causa de um papel que te vão rejeitar. Nota: Em Portugal, onde trabalho, a certificação em MCSD não te dá praticamente vantagem nenhuma a não ser que tenhas mais de um 1/2 anos de experiencia professional, e mesmo assim ... , e ah ajuda sim à empresa que te contrata para ficar Microsoft Certified Partner, sem benficios nenhuns para ti :omg: Um abraço e continua a fornecer jogos para este site espectacular ;) Joao Vaz

Mauricio Ritter

Joao Vaz wrote: A note, you don't need to pay a fortune for the certification , you only need to pay the exams if your company doesn't support it. I work for 3 companys an none of them pay my exams :(. At least one of them gimme a 10% discount (the ATEC). :| Joao Vaz wrote: Não te preocupes muito com a certificação, mostra os teus conhecimentos técnicos, que as pessoas vão reconhecer o teu trabalho, não é por causa de um papel que te vão rejeitar. Nota: Em Portugal, onde trabalho, a certificação em MCSD não te dá praticamente vantagem nenhuma a não ser que tenhas mais de um 1/2 anos de experiencia professional, e mesmo assim ... , e ah ajuda sim à empresa que te contrata para ficar Microsoft Certified Partner, sem benficios nenhuns para ti Um abraço e continua a fornecer jogos para este site espectacular Aha ! A Portuguese Colonizer ! Cool ! :) :-D :-D Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank

Joao Vaz

Mauricio Ritter wrote: A Portuguese Colonizer ! Culpado X| Precisas mesmo de ter a certificação ? Se precisas digo-te que tanto o MCSD e o MCSD são fáceis de tirar -> tenho um amigo meu(MCSE Windows 2000 track) que entrou na Microsoft portuguesa e ficou lá por causa disto: www.braindumpcentral.com e disto www.mcsebraindumps.com Ambos os sites têm digamos questões parecidas com os exames MCSD e MCSE. Ele não comprou livro nenhum nem testes nenhuns nem tem grau universitário,desitistiu no 1ª ano e estudou sempre na véspera do exame ... Tu devias procurar algo te realizasse profissionalmente e partir à luta ..., eu por exemplo adoro c++ (na área de sistemas distribuidos), é aquilo me faz ter gozo realmente em programar, e neste momento estou à 4 meses num projecto de 6 meses em TCL(linguagem script tipo perl), javascript e html e mal posso esperar que a minha empresa me mande de volta ao meu c++, já tou a desesperar, se não me enviarem para outro projecto que tenha c++, nem que seja em unix :omg: , vou-me embora e procurar um emprego que me dê realmente gozo X| Yack! Yack! Não te amoleças rapaz e luta pelos teus gostos ! ;) Um abraço do portuga :-D , Joao Vaz

Christopher Duncan

Actually, while learning is always a Good Thing, there might be a point of diminishing returns with certifications, etc. Admittedly, living in the US I'm ignorant of the job market realities in Brazil, but here in the States I've found that the primary thing employers care about are, "Do you know what you're doing with this technology, and can you meet the deadlines?". I have no college, no certifications (and probably a serious lack of common sense), but I haven't missed a meal in 12 years of working in this biz. I think the comments about your games were well said. I do in fact put personal projects on my resume if they demonstrate experience with a technology. Of course, I also have a Far Side cartoon at the bottom of my resume. They may love me or they may hate me, but they always remember I was there... In any event, most programmers excel in the technical, but never spend near as much time learning the skills that they need to navigate the corporate world and market themselves. It may not be right and it may not be fair, but more often than not the person who gets the job is not necessarily the most technically adept, but the one who knew how to play the game. "But I'm a programmer - I shouldn't have to deal with marketing and politics!" True enough, I suppose, but irrelevant just the same. This is the business world. Logic doesn't apply. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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You shouldn't have worry about this for some time. http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/mcad/compare.asp According to this page there will be two levels of cert, MCAD and MCSD, but the exams are not scheduled to be released until June 2002, one isn't available until February 2003. I'm looking forward to renewing my cert, I have found it a good way to learn the new technologies and tools. I have also personally found it to be of benefit for job searching. I have gotten at least two contracts because of it. I had an interview last week where I noticed the person had that part of my resume highlighted and said that they were looking for someone with MCSD.

Andres Manggini

Hi, where can I found that game ? Thanks, Andres Manggini. Buenos Aires - Argentina.

James T Johnson

Right here: http://www.codeproject.com/directx/invasion.asp James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972

Andres Manggini

Thanks, looks great. do you know where can I found the race game ? Andres Manggini. Buenos Aires - Argentina.

James T Johnson

Andres Manggini wrote: do you know where can I found the race game ? When I talked with the author last night said its only half done right now; hopefully he'll get the other half finished soon :) James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972

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James T. Johnson wrote: When I talked with the author last night said its only half done right now; hopefully he'll get the other half finished soon Yippppeeeeeeeeeeeee. Go Mauritio, go! Nish [not logged in]