Life after death. (just for fun)
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, whether you were to prove definately that there was an afterlife, or if you were to prove definately that there was not, it would make no differences to me. "Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Since we are not even sure how many dimensions there are or if multiple universes exist or not I'd say heaven/hell/valhalla could be floating in your left kidney. That whole thing of "Heaven is up and Hell is down" is rot. BTW I don't believe in either or any afterlife for that matter. Just thinking out loud. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: Since we are not even sure how many dimensions there are or if multiple universes exist Hmm I think Chris or John (+1000000 other CPians with physics degree I forgot to mention) could elaborate on this... Paul Watson wrote: That whole thing of "Heaven is up and Hell is down" is rot. hmm hell must be exactly in the middle of Earth. Because it is "down" both for us and aussies :) Paul Watson wrote: BTW I don't believe in either or any afterlife for that matter. OK, for a while I was worried that you belive in hell in your left kidney :-D Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Life after death.. what a concept. If there's life after death, then why do we die? All religions more or less tell us how to live our life, and what will happen after we die. But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die. Wouldn't it pointless to die, eventhough we'd live after death? :~ -- Look straight into the light!
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If there's life after death, then why do we die? All religions more or less tell us how to live our life, and what will happen after we die. But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die.
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 01 Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power 02 He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-Ayah 1-2 from AL-MULK (THE SOVEREIGNTY) Quran Translation Intro Discover -
Life after death.. what a concept. If there's life after death, then why do we die? All religions more or less tell us how to live our life, and what will happen after we die. But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die. Wouldn't it pointless to die, eventhough we'd live after death? :~ -- Look straight into the light!
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die. well it is your great great great great....great great great grandma's fault. "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." answer me, why had we born in the first place?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If there's life after death, then why do we die? All religions more or less tell us how to live our life, and what will happen after we die. But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die.
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 01 Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power 02 He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-Ayah 1-2 from AL-MULK (THE SOVEREIGNTY) Quran Translation Intro Discover -
Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
I'm a Christian, but I don't think I'd live any different. I try to make the most of life, and do the good that I can, as it is. Even if that good is turning people to c# from VB Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die. well it is your great great great great....great great great grandma's fault. "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." answer me, why had we born in the first place?
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Paul Watson wrote: no sex before marriage for instance Does having had sex before marriage weigh on your mind? We forgive you. :)
It does. I fell sorry for the many Christians who go into marriage without it. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Paul Watson wrote: Since we are not even sure how many dimensions there are or if multiple universes exist Hmm I think Chris or John (+1000000 other CPians with physics degree I forgot to mention) could elaborate on this... Paul Watson wrote: That whole thing of "Heaven is up and Hell is down" is rot. hmm hell must be exactly in the middle of Earth. Because it is "down" both for us and aussies :) Paul Watson wrote: BTW I don't believe in either or any afterlife for that matter. OK, for a while I was worried that you belive in hell in your left kidney :-D Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyNo, no, it is in JWood's left kidney, not mine. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If there's life after death, then why do we die? All religions more or less tell us how to live our life, and what will happen after we die. But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die.
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 01 Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power 02 He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-Ayah 1-2 from AL-MULK (THE SOVEREIGNTY) Quran Translation Intro DiscoverSo basically, death is the end of the exam? :~ -- Look straight into the light!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die. well it is your great great great great....great great great grandma's fault. "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." answer me, why had we born in the first place?
It still doesn't explain the purpose of death. Obvously, according to the bible, God had a purpose for our lives, otherwise he wouldn't have created Adam. What's the purpose of the off state, when in fact the off state isn't off..? You either go to heaven or hell - both options entail life after death, just not as we know it in our corporeal world. I would only buy a life after death argument, only if it also argued life before birth. That life itself is an infinite process, without a begining nor end, and our corporeal lives are just "blips" on that life line. Infinite life, as in no begining nor end, or finite life with a well defined begining and end, are the only two models I find elegant. Surely, a divine being such as a god would not have created such an asymmetric and ugly process called life, as told in religious texts. Life, and afterlife, as told by the bible and the quoran, is badly designed IMO. I'm done now. You may proceed throwing stones at me now. :) -- Look straight into the light!
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, because I already came to that conclusion for myself.
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, as I know there is no life after death or God bullshit so my belief structure (or lack there of) doesn't change. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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No, no, it is in JWood's left kidney, not mine. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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So basically, death is the end of the exam? :~ -- Look straight into the light!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I am curious why a belief in a higher-power makes someone act better than without it? If you believe in an accounting for every action that you have done, then it tends to shape your actions. The stronger the belief the more influence on behaviour. Ofcourse there are different levels, so a person might say they believe something but they don't really take it to heart, then there are others who have a stronger belief and before any action might think what the ramifications of their actions are. Quran Translation Intro Discover
Maybe the more relevant question is just why the morals handed down by the higher being are accepted as "better"? I could argue that a lot of the rules foisted by religions are just plain silly and my common sense approach to social interactions is much better. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, as I know there is no life after death or God bullshit so my belief structure (or lack there of) doesn't change. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
While I don't believe in another life for me after my death, because others will live here on Earth after me, I try to minimise my impact on it so that there will be something good of it left for them to enjoy. Not following a religion doesn't absolve you of responsibility for the effect of your actions on future generations. Wasn't it a native American who said something along the lines of: "We don't only inherit the Earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children."?
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bugDanny wrote: Doesn't your belief in a higher power make you act better than you would without it? I am curious why a belief in a higher-power makes someone act better than without it? There are examples of people who have acted shamefully citing that a "higher power" told them it was right.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: There are examples of people who have acted shamefully citing that a "higher power" told them it was right. Yeah, I guess you're right, but I was referring to the non-psychos whose belief in a higher power makes them feel accountable to someone other than themselves. Although there are many who claim to be Christian, or whatever religion, and then go out and act like they don't think anyone's watching them. I was referring to those that believe in a higher power and so try to conform their lives in a way that would render a good judgement. Without that, we have selfishness, because who else are we then accountable to but ourselves, and that leads us nowhere. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!