Will they start coming home from Iraq?
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Mike Gaskey wrote: I realize this isn't something you would understand, but when you work for someone the contract includes loyalty. first of all: don't be an asshole. and now that the unjustified personal insults are out of the way... Mike Gaskey wrote: If the general(s) in question disagree, they should resign, then speak out. in your opinion. the Army and the country will probably exist beyond whatever damage Bush does to it. and maybe this person's loyalty is with the Army and the country, rather than the goofball calling the shots. Mike Gaskey wrote: Oh, I see, it has to be a civilian head you personally approve of then. :confused: Mike Gaskey wrote: if we weren't at war I'd join you in sniping at him about any number of issues but when it comes to the war effort my view is overt opposition simply aids the enemy. :laugh: as if... you support incompetency in an effort that you deem so important that it excuses incompetency in everything else. clearly, you're not so worried about what he actually does in the effort, only that he does something... face it, the GOP is a cult. here's a challenge: when Bush is finally gone, and the Dem steps in to take over the Iraq mess, will you refrain from saying anything negative about her ? yeah. fucking. right. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: don't be an asshole. and now that the unjustified personal insults are out of the way... oh alright - that was without thinking thru the meaning. Chris Losinger wrote: this person's loyalty is with the Army and the country, rather than the goofball calling the shots then he should resign, period. Chris Losinger wrote: you support incompetency your view says incompetency, that is far from a universal opinion as registered at the polls. Chris Losinger wrote: the Dem steps in to take over the Iraq mess, will you refrain from saying anything negative about her ? Condi? no joke, but you're making a huge assumption. and regardless, yes I will as long as her / he doesn't decide to turn tail and run. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Mike Gaskey wrote: because if he doesn't have our support, we lose. :omg: It's amazing how your reasoning is also used by countries like North Korea and China to brainwash their citizens into unquestionable support for their leaders. X| A bad leader is a bad leader, and it's up to us, the ones being led, to ensure that we're not heading down the wrong path or else "we lose". The North Koreans don't have that choice. We do, so excercising it should never be considered a loss -- quite the opposite. Alvaro
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: brainwash their citizens hint - all power structures attempt to brainwash their subjects families ? yes businesses ? yes non government organizations ? yes governments ? yes religions ? yes yes dissent is a positive part of democracy & suppressed in totalitarian regimes
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Mike Gaskey wrote: because if he doesn't have our support, we lose. :omg: It's amazing how your reasoning is also used by countries like North Korea and China to brainwash their citizens into unquestionable support for their leaders. X| A bad leader is a bad leader, and it's up to us, the ones being led, to ensure that we're not heading down the wrong path or else "we lose". The North Koreans don't have that choice. We do, so excercising it should never be considered a loss -- quite the opposite. Alvaro
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: A bad leader is a bad leader, and it's up to us, the ones being led, to ensure that we're not heading down the wrong path or else "we lose". you do that every 4 years at the polls. the constant harping from weak assed liberals and the media does nothing but help the enemy, there is no doubt in my mind that they look at this drivel and assume they can beat us. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: brainwash their citizens hint - all power structures attempt to brainwash their subjects families ? yes businesses ? yes non government organizations ? yes governments ? yes religions ? yes yes dissent is a positive part of democracy & suppressed in totalitarian regimes
Anonymous wrote: all power structures attempt to brainwash their subjects From here:[^] brainwash v 1: persuade completely, often through coercion; "The propaganda brainwashed many people" 2: submit to brainwashing; indoctrinate forcibly Persuasion and brainwashing are not the same. hint -- I didn't say our government does it.
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: A bad leader is a bad leader, and it's up to us, the ones being led, to ensure that we're not heading down the wrong path or else "we lose". you do that every 4 years at the polls. the constant harping from weak assed liberals and the media does nothing but help the enemy, there is no doubt in my mind that they look at this drivel and assume they can beat us. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
Mike Gaskey wrote: there is no doubt in my mind that they look at this drivel and assume they can beat us. I'm not as doubt-free as you are since I don't know how these people operate. But, who knows, you could be right, at least in some cases. Does that then follow that if liberals and the media were to vanish, our enemies would surrender or be easier to defeat? Would a one-party system make it easier for us to invade countries and quickly claim victories? Alvaro
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
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Chris Losinger wrote: don't be an asshole. and now that the unjustified personal insults are out of the way... oh alright - that was without thinking thru the meaning. Chris Losinger wrote: this person's loyalty is with the Army and the country, rather than the goofball calling the shots then he should resign, period. Chris Losinger wrote: you support incompetency your view says incompetency, that is far from a universal opinion as registered at the polls. Chris Losinger wrote: the Dem steps in to take over the Iraq mess, will you refrain from saying anything negative about her ? Condi? no joke, but you're making a huge assumption. and regardless, yes I will as long as her / he doesn't decide to turn tail and run. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
Mike Gaskey wrote: your view says incompetency, that is far from a universal opinion as registered at the polls. funny... i just saw a huge flying 3d pie chart that says 33% of Americans support Ws handling of Iraq. maybe not universal, but when 2/3s of the country think you're doing something wrong, odds are pretty good that you're doing something wrong. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Mike Gaskey wrote: your view says incompetency, that is far from a universal opinion as registered at the polls. funny... i just saw a huge flying 3d pie chart that says 33% of Americans support Ws handling of Iraq. maybe not universal, but when 2/3s of the country think you're doing something wrong, odds are pretty good that you're doing something wrong. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: i just saw a huge flying 3d pie chart that says 33% of Americans support Ws handling of Iraq today. tomorrow it will say something different. you can't and shouldn't run a country by opinion polls, there is only one poll that matters and it is in November. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Mike Gaskey wrote: there is no doubt in my mind that they look at this drivel and assume they can beat us. I'm not as doubt-free as you are since I don't know how these people operate. But, who knows, you could be right, at least in some cases. Does that then follow that if liberals and the media were to vanish, our enemies would surrender or be easier to defeat? Would a one-party system make it easier for us to invade countries and quickly claim victories? Alvaro
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: Does that then follow that if liberals and the media were to vanish, our enemies would surrender or be easier to defeat? no, they wouldn't vanish but they may well be easier to defeat. For one thing I know the stuff you see me complain about on this board on the subject has a demoralizing effect on our soldiers. Pretty difficult to roll out a sleeping bag into a humvee if you think the folks at home don't support your efforts. The fact that they don't doesn't mean they'll lay down their arms and refuse an order, but it does mean that young men and young women will feel out there and alone. I also think that this causes them to lose an edge and could cost a life. What we here might view as harmless debate also encourages the opposition because logically if I were one of them and I knew what I was doing causing demonstrations and debate I would be encouraged and just maybe stay at it longer than I would otherwise. You may not agree, believing that such debate and demonstration is healthy, but talk to a soldier sometime and get another opinion. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Chris Losinger wrote: i just saw a huge flying 3d pie chart that says 33% of Americans support Ws handling of Iraq today. tomorrow it will say something different. you can't and shouldn't run a country by opinion polls, there is only one poll that matters and it is in November. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
Mike Gaskey wrote: tomorrow it will say something different it's been saying "thirties" for months now. that's not fickle sheep being swayed by the wicked treasonous "MSM", that's ordinary people getting sick of Ws incompetence. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Mike Gaskey wrote: there is no doubt in my mind that they look at this drivel and assume they can beat us. I'm not as doubt-free as you are since I don't know how these people operate. But, who knows, you could be right, at least in some cases. Does that then follow that if liberals and the media were to vanish, our enemies would surrender or be easier to defeat? Would a one-party system make it easier for us to invade countries and quickly claim victories? Alvaro
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
My apology - I forgot to reply to: Alvaro Mendez wrote: Would a one-party system make it easier for us to invade countries and quickly claim victories? of course, but that isn't the point. You're operating on the assumption we're there for some evil purpose: Halliburtin, oil, to rule the world. Point on in fact we're in Iraq because Iraq voilated violated a treaty that ended hostilities after they invaded Kuwait. That by itself wouldn't have been enough except that it was during the time we were being attacked by fanatics from that general region. It had to be done both because of the refusal of Iraq to live to the terms of the treaty and because after we went into Afganistan the Al Q and sypmathizers would need a safe haven. As an avowed enemy Saddam would have welcomed them (my opinion) and that I believe are the reasons we are there. Note that once we brought Saddam down, we could have said, "fuck it, job done". But we didn't, we're staying to attempt to bring a stability and a form of government that will work against a future Saddam rising from the ashes. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon -- modified at 21:23 Monday 3rd October, 2005
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Mike Gaskey wrote: tomorrow it will say something different it's been saying "thirties" for months now. that's not fickle sheep being swayed by the wicked treasonous "MSM", that's ordinary people getting sick of Ws incompetence. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: being swayed by the wicked treasonous no, being constantly bombarded by the MSM. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Chris Losinger wrote: being swayed by the wicked treasonous no, being constantly bombarded by the MSM. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
like my gramma always said: if your plans can't stand the harsh light of reality, maybe you need to rework your plans Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker