Free speach in the UK going down the toliet.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: If you'll read through threads posted late last week you'll see an opinion or two about Americans constantly ranting about freedom of this and that. Nahh, Missed them. Been busy the past week, and I suppose this is old news anyway - 22 Sept. I missed it. Only catching up now. Was that about people ranting about their freedoms to not hear people constantly going on about their freedoms? Sounds like my feeling to protest about the constant stream of protestors every weekend in central London. Why don't they just write to someone, or have a petition for a change, but stop causing road blocks all the time. I think marching protestors should be congestion charged/taxed. They are always jamming up the roads and public transport. Fuckers. I just want to do a bit of shopping or go to a museum as I did last weekend, but they were in the way. Going off my rant, I do think it was a little over the top arresting a girl in a T-shirt. If the police are worred about people getting offended then what about people wearing "French Connection" clothing, or as the UK arm has printed in big letters on the cloths FCUK. Mike Gaskey wrote: I offered an opinion that if you don't focus on it, you'll lose it I'm focusing on it now. :-D
Giles wrote: my feeling to protest about the constant stream of protestors Nice one, I love it! :-D Giles wrote: I do think it was a little over the top arresting a girl in a T-shirt Is that so uncommon? Remember when the Sex Pistols were arrested and charged for public indecency during the God Save the Queen[^] boat party? That one[^] also is pretty.
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Not content with evicting geriatric hecklers out of party conferences and threatening them with the anti-terrorism act there is this as well. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/392/68779.html[^] I'm starting to find this kind of thing really pathetic. Its like the police are trying to shove their heads up his ass. I'm waiting for the day whent the police pull this kind of thing on an opposition MP, even if at the time they don't know who they are. That really would be a blunder. -- modified at 9:24 Monday 3rd October, 2005 Thinking about it in response to mike, surely the police should also be arresting people with French Connection T-shirts - FCUK. Old grannines may get offended at those as well.
That's just fucking stupid. What drugs are those uniformed idiots on? :mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Not content with evicting geriatric hecklers out of party conferences and threatening them with the anti-terrorism act there is this as well. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/392/68779.html[^] I'm starting to find this kind of thing really pathetic. Its like the police are trying to shove their heads up his ass. I'm waiting for the day whent the police pull this kind of thing on an opposition MP, even if at the time they don't know who they are. That really would be a blunder. -- modified at 9:24 Monday 3rd October, 2005 Thinking about it in response to mike, surely the police should also be arresting people with French Connection T-shirts - FCUK. Old grannines may get offended at those as well.
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Not content with evicting geriatric hecklers out of party conferences and threatening them with the anti-terrorism act there is this as well. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/392/68779.html[^] I'm starting to find this kind of thing really pathetic. Its like the police are trying to shove their heads up his ass. I'm waiting for the day whent the police pull this kind of thing on an opposition MP, even if at the time they don't know who they are. That really would be a blunder. -- modified at 9:24 Monday 3rd October, 2005 Thinking about it in response to mike, surely the police should also be arresting people with French Connection T-shirts - FCUK. Old grannines may get offended at those as well.
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Not content with evicting geriatric hecklers out of party conferences and threatening them with the anti-terrorism act there is this as well. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/392/68779.html[^] I'm starting to find this kind of thing really pathetic. Its like the police are trying to shove their heads up his ass. I'm waiting for the day whent the police pull this kind of thing on an opposition MP, even if at the time they don't know who they are. That really would be a blunder. -- modified at 9:24 Monday 3rd October, 2005 Thinking about it in response to mike, surely the police should also be arresting people with French Connection T-shirts - FCUK. Old grannines may get offended at those as well.
Well yes on the face of it, it is pathetic, of course, but to wear such a t-shirt and then claim to be "Shocked and dismayed to be made a public spectacle" is a bit rich, don't you think? I bet she loved it - it got her and her stinking rotten animal-hating scumbag friends all the publicity they wanted, and maybe that was the real reason and she made sure she got herself arrested... who knows, I wasn't there, but I will bet my life on it that "Horse and Hound" wouldn't say so if that was the case. Fred
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Well yes on the face of it, it is pathetic, of course, but to wear such a t-shirt and then claim to be "Shocked and dismayed to be made a public spectacle" is a bit rich, don't you think? I bet she loved it - it got her and her stinking rotten animal-hating scumbag friends all the publicity they wanted, and maybe that was the real reason and she made sure she got herself arrested... who knows, I wasn't there, but I will bet my life on it that "Horse and Hound" wouldn't say so if that was the case. Fred
Fred_Smith wrote: I bet she loved it - it got her and her stinking rotten animal-hating scumbag friends all the publicity they wanted, and maybe that was the real reason and she made sure she got herself arrested... Ok, i thought i was following this discussion moderately well up 'till this point - but now i'm completely lost. The article - posted in some sort of horse enthusiast magazine - refers to her as a gamekeeper from Gloucestershire. Now, i'll believe that things are a bit different over in that corner of the world, but that doesn't exactly paint the picture of a crabby old bag whose only contact with animals is to take pot-shots at the neighbor's cat! So please, clear this up for me: did you actually not read the article? ...or are you just completely and utterly mad? :suss:
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Fred_Smith wrote: I bet she loved it - it got her and her stinking rotten animal-hating scumbag friends all the publicity they wanted, and maybe that was the real reason and she made sure she got herself arrested... Ok, i thought i was following this discussion moderately well up 'till this point - but now i'm completely lost. The article - posted in some sort of horse enthusiast magazine - refers to her as a gamekeeper from Gloucestershire. Now, i'll believe that things are a bit different over in that corner of the world, but that doesn't exactly paint the picture of a crabby old bag whose only contact with animals is to take pot-shots at the neighbor's cat! So please, clear this up for me: did you actually not read the article? ...or are you just completely and utterly mad? :suss:
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Fred_Smith wrote: I bet she loved it - it got her and her stinking rotten animal-hating scumbag friends all the publicity they wanted, and maybe that was the real reason and she made sure she got herself arrested... Ok, i thought i was following this discussion moderately well up 'till this point - but now i'm completely lost. The article - posted in some sort of horse enthusiast magazine - refers to her as a gamekeeper from Gloucestershire. Now, i'll believe that things are a bit different over in that corner of the world, but that doesn't exactly paint the picture of a crabby old bag whose only contact with animals is to take pot-shots at the neighbor's cat! So please, clear this up for me: did you actually not read the article? ...or are you just completely and utterly mad? :suss:
A "gamekeeper" here is nothing more than someone who's job it is is to make sure that there are plenty of small defenseless animals around for the hunters with their hounds and/or guns to terrorise and kill. It has nothing to do with gamekeepoing as, for example, on a National Park in Africa. The reason this girl and the others (yes I did read the article) were wearing those T-shirts is becasue they are pissed at Blair's governemt for the recently passed anti-hunting laws which are spoiling their sadistic pleasure. These people have wet-dreams fantisising about single-handedly taking out a tiger with a Bowie knife, but they're too cowardly for that, so they hunt rabbits and foxes and pheasants instead, and try to pretend they are "hunting" and controling "pests". I wish just one of them would have the honesty to admit that they do it for fun, because they like seeing small animals murdered in front of their eyes, like hearing their squeals of terror and seeing their blood and fur flying.... They are sick bastards. Fred
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maybe it was a typo, meant to be "people-hating" some of those animal lovers are a bit over the top eh ? PETA ? ELF ?
Am I a perosn hater? Well, I certainly hate an aeful lot of things people do in their greedy pursuit of their own (often sadistic) pleasure, nevermind at what or who's expense. Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... May I recommend "Slaughter of the Innocent" by Hans Ruesch. It may be one-sided, but is well documented and annotated so you check just about everything in it for yourself if you wish. It'll make any decent person feel revulsion at what goes on daily to millions of poor defenceless, voiceless animals. Would you say I was "over the top" if it was the Holocaust I was going on about? Gas-chambers are the least of most laboratory animals' worries... Fred
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A "gamekeeper" here is nothing more than someone who's job it is is to make sure that there are plenty of small defenseless animals around for the hunters with their hounds and/or guns to terrorise and kill. It has nothing to do with gamekeepoing as, for example, on a National Park in Africa. The reason this girl and the others (yes I did read the article) were wearing those T-shirts is becasue they are pissed at Blair's governemt for the recently passed anti-hunting laws which are spoiling their sadistic pleasure. These people have wet-dreams fantisising about single-handedly taking out a tiger with a Bowie knife, but they're too cowardly for that, so they hunt rabbits and foxes and pheasants instead, and try to pretend they are "hunting" and controling "pests". I wish just one of them would have the honesty to admit that they do it for fun, because they like seeing small animals murdered in front of their eyes, like hearing their squeals of terror and seeing their blood and fur flying.... They are sick bastards. Fred
Gotta say, i usually don't think of hunters when i think of animal haters. Fred_Smith wrote: I wish just one of them would have the honesty to admit that they do it for fun, because they like seeing small animals murdered in front of their eyes, like hearing their squeals of terror and seeing their blood and fur flying... Huh... Well, i don't hunt myself, but pheasant is certainly tasty. You're sure that doesn't figure in at all?
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Gotta say, i usually don't think of hunters when i think of animal haters. Fred_Smith wrote: I wish just one of them would have the honesty to admit that they do it for fun, because they like seeing small animals murdered in front of their eyes, like hearing their squeals of terror and seeing their blood and fur flying... Huh... Well, i don't hunt myself, but pheasant is certainly tasty. You're sure that doesn't figure in at all?
Shog9 wrote: Gotta say, i usually don't think of hunters when i think of animal haters. Most people don't - they probably don't - but how sick have you got to be to hunt down and shoot something for fun, then claim you love it? Shog9 wrote: pheasant is certainly tasty. You're sure that doesn't figure in at all? Just because something gives you pleasure (ie eating a tasty pheasant) why does that make it OK for you to hunt it down and kill it? Fred
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Am I a perosn hater? Well, I certainly hate an aeful lot of things people do in their greedy pursuit of their own (often sadistic) pleasure, nevermind at what or who's expense. Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... May I recommend "Slaughter of the Innocent" by Hans Ruesch. It may be one-sided, but is well documented and annotated so you check just about everything in it for yourself if you wish. It'll make any decent person feel revulsion at what goes on daily to millions of poor defenceless, voiceless animals. Would you say I was "over the top" if it was the Holocaust I was going on about? Gas-chambers are the least of most laboratory animals' worries... Fred
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Shog9 wrote: Gotta say, i usually don't think of hunters when i think of animal haters. Most people don't - they probably don't - but how sick have you got to be to hunt down and shoot something for fun, then claim you love it? Shog9 wrote: pheasant is certainly tasty. You're sure that doesn't figure in at all? Just because something gives you pleasure (ie eating a tasty pheasant) why does that make it OK for you to hunt it down and kill it? Fred
Fred_Smith wrote: Just because something gives you pleasure (ie eating a tasty pheasant) why does that make it OK for you to hunt it down and kill it? Because we are top of the food chain you dork. You have to kill it, you can't eat it alive - are we supposed to cook it alive and then eat it? Its needs to be killed first. But then, I'm guessing you are a veggie? I like meat. And the animal needs to be killed before eating.
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Am I a perosn hater? Well, I certainly hate an aeful lot of things people do in their greedy pursuit of their own (often sadistic) pleasure, nevermind at what or who's expense. Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... May I recommend "Slaughter of the Innocent" by Hans Ruesch. It may be one-sided, but is well documented and annotated so you check just about everything in it for yourself if you wish. It'll make any decent person feel revulsion at what goes on daily to millions of poor defenceless, voiceless animals. Would you say I was "over the top" if it was the Holocaust I was going on about? Gas-chambers are the least of most laboratory animals' worries... Fred
Fred_Smith wrote: Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... Thats a crap bit of hijacking. Those people are totaly agaist free speech. They use intimidation and violence agaist those who they disagree. I was pointing out one of the many ways during which a Blair governement our own freedoms have been erroded though, and a once open society is being closed. Thanks to animal rights activists in the way they have gone about things, in a few years directors and share holders are going to have laws passed to protect them so their details are anonymous, there by removing more transparency from society. This will in turn lead to more draconian laws. Their argument is totaly diluted. If they bothered to try and appeal to the general public though education they would proabaly get their message across much better. Obviously though you seem to support their violent methods. By protesting in the UK in they way they do, they will just move it somewhere else to a country or regiem that will support it for the cash it brings in, and the animals will just suffer more. One final question. If you had cancer, and had been told the drugs that could save your life had been tested on animals, would you still take them? I'm guessing you would.
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Fred_Smith wrote: Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... Thats a crap bit of hijacking. Those people are totaly agaist free speech. They use intimidation and violence agaist those who they disagree. I was pointing out one of the many ways during which a Blair governement our own freedoms have been erroded though, and a once open society is being closed. Thanks to animal rights activists in the way they have gone about things, in a few years directors and share holders are going to have laws passed to protect them so their details are anonymous, there by removing more transparency from society. This will in turn lead to more draconian laws. Their argument is totaly diluted. If they bothered to try and appeal to the general public though education they would proabaly get their message across much better. Obviously though you seem to support their violent methods. By protesting in the UK in they way they do, they will just move it somewhere else to a country or regiem that will support it for the cash it brings in, and the animals will just suffer more. One final question. If you had cancer, and had been told the drugs that could save your life had been tested on animals, would you still take them? I'm guessing you would.
Giles wrote: One final question. If you had cancer, and had been told the drugs that could save your life had been tested on animals, would you still take them? I'm guessing you would. Then you'd guess wrong. Actually, I tend to agree with a lot of your points here, and have argued against such extreme behaviour for precisely these reasons. But don't kid yourself that the drug manufacturers or hunters are any fairer in what they do or say. Fred
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Fred_Smith wrote: Just because something gives you pleasure (ie eating a tasty pheasant) why does that make it OK for you to hunt it down and kill it? Because we are top of the food chain you dork. You have to kill it, you can't eat it alive - are we supposed to cook it alive and then eat it? Its needs to be killed first. But then, I'm guessing you are a veggie? I like meat. And the animal needs to be killed before eating.
Dork yourself - I said just because it gives you pleasure is no excuse for doing it. You may, generations ago or if you are a starving Ethiopian, have an argument for killing animals for food out of necessity, but in the affluent West today you can't even claim that. We kill animals because we choose to, not because we need to. Things evoolve - just because our ancestors eat meat doesn't mean we have to. We used to beat women over the heads with clubs and drag them back to or cave by their hair too, so what? Now we don't. Giles wrote: I like meat Exactly. For your pleasure you think it OK to murder an animal. Well fuck you. Fred
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Shog9 wrote: Gotta say, i usually don't think of hunters when i think of animal haters. Most people don't - they probably don't - but how sick have you got to be to hunt down and shoot something for fun, then claim you love it? Shog9 wrote: pheasant is certainly tasty. You're sure that doesn't figure in at all? Just because something gives you pleasure (ie eating a tasty pheasant) why does that make it OK for you to hunt it down and kill it? Fred
Now it starts to make sense - you don't eat meat, eh? :)
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Fred_Smith wrote: Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... Thats a crap bit of hijacking. Those people are totaly agaist free speech. They use intimidation and violence agaist those who they disagree. I was pointing out one of the many ways during which a Blair governement our own freedoms have been erroded though, and a once open society is being closed. Thanks to animal rights activists in the way they have gone about things, in a few years directors and share holders are going to have laws passed to protect them so their details are anonymous, there by removing more transparency from society. This will in turn lead to more draconian laws. Their argument is totaly diluted. If they bothered to try and appeal to the general public though education they would proabaly get their message across much better. Obviously though you seem to support their violent methods. By protesting in the UK in they way they do, they will just move it somewhere else to a country or regiem that will support it for the cash it brings in, and the animals will just suffer more. One final question. If you had cancer, and had been told the drugs that could save your life had been tested on animals, would you still take them? I'm guessing you would.
Giles wrote: Thanks to animal rights activists in the way they have gone about things, in a few years directors and share holders are going to have laws passed to protect them so their details are anonymous, there by removing more transparency from society. This will in turn lead to more draconian laws. Not quite - those people in power who want to make our society more draconian (and increase their power even more) will use such behaviour as an excuse to do so - the difference is subtle but it is there and should not be ignored. Fact is, there are plenty of laws already in existence to deal with threatening behaviour and violent attacks against persons or property. Ask yourself why, instead of using them, "they" want to introduce new laws instead.... But, yes, I do not condone such behaviour, for much the same reasons as you've stated here. Fred