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What a pile of horseshit from all of you. Innocent people die and all you can do is blame the left, blame the right, blah, blah, blah. Shame on you. At least blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims. That's right folks, you heard it here: it's not the fault of the left, the right or the middle it's just the fucking muslims. And they must love all this internecine arguing: what a bunch of hubristic pricks we are; so busy blaming each other we forget who the real culprits are. Dickheads.
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legalAlien wrote: At least blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims.... snip ...it's just the f***ing muslims More horseshit. What we have are people murdered people. Followers of every religion (and none) have the choice whether to follow a peaceful or a violent path through life, and there are murderers of all faiths (and none). The bombers could have chosen a peaceful path to put over their point of view, but they didn't. Their religion is irrelevant: they themselves decided to take the path of violence. Christians do it; Hindus do it. Islam isn't the problem, it's the fact that some people erroneously think that violence will solve their problems. Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
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Lets all take a few moments out from talking about US policy and politics and spend a moment thinking about those killed and injured in Bali last weekend and their families. -- modified at 1:10 Tuesday 4th October, 2005
Lets also think to all the victims worldwide, whatever their skin color or their religion. Abd about Bali, I hope that once found and captured, the authors will get more than a 30 months sentence[^] :mad:
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legalAlien wrote: At least blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims.... snip ...it's just the f***ing muslims More horseshit. What we have are people murdered people. Followers of every religion (and none) have the choice whether to follow a peaceful or a violent path through life, and there are murderers of all faiths (and none). The bombers could have chosen a peaceful path to put over their point of view, but they didn't. Their religion is irrelevant: they themselves decided to take the path of violence. Christians do it; Hindus do it. Islam isn't the problem, it's the fact that some people erroneously think that violence will solve their problems. Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
viaduct wrote: What we have are people murdered people. No; what we have are muslims murdering indiscriminately to gain political advantage in a highly organised manner and so as to maim and kill as many innocent people as possible in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. We are not talking about history here (for which no group of people is blameless) but the here and now. And here and now the most dangerous single group of people are the muslims. It is no good being an apologist for islamic violence and as multi-cultural as I'd like to be I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. Now maybe it's me and mine that are wrong and should make way. Fine: but I'm damned if I'm just going to roll over for what I see as evil cloaking itself as an eternal victim. They are not. There are muslim countries with the wealth to solve most of their problems at a stroke. They choose not to because there would be no long term political advantage in doing so. viaduct wrote: Their religion is irrelevant: Bullshit: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam.
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viaduct wrote: What we have are people murdered people. No; what we have are muslims murdering indiscriminately to gain political advantage in a highly organised manner and so as to maim and kill as many innocent people as possible in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. We are not talking about history here (for which no group of people is blameless) but the here and now. And here and now the most dangerous single group of people are the muslims. It is no good being an apologist for islamic violence and as multi-cultural as I'd like to be I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. Now maybe it's me and mine that are wrong and should make way. Fine: but I'm damned if I'm just going to roll over for what I see as evil cloaking itself as an eternal victim. They are not. There are muslim countries with the wealth to solve most of their problems at a stroke. They choose not to because there would be no long term political advantage in doing so. viaduct wrote: Their religion is irrelevant: Bullshit: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam.
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legalAlien wrote: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam. How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. legalAlien wrote: in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. Spot on. What the terrorists follow is not Islam, any more than Christian or Hindu terrorists follow Christianity or Hinduism. It is no harder to co-exist with Muslim fundamentalists as with those of any other religion, and the leaders of all extreme sects are to blame for the brainwashing of their followers to carry out these atrocities. legalAlien wrote: I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And what should happen to these people who don't think like you? Silencing them is the start of the slippery slope to fascism. :rose: Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
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What a pile of horseshit from all of you. Innocent people die and all you can do is blame the left, blame the right, blah, blah, blah. Shame on you. At least blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims. That's right folks, you heard it here: it's not the fault of the left, the right or the middle it's just the fucking muslims. And they must love all this internecine arguing: what a bunch of hubristic pricks we are; so busy blaming each other we forget who the real culprits are. Dickheads.
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legalAlien wrote: blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims What do you suggest? Deporting them? Pogroming them? Gasing them? legalAlien wrote: who the real culprits are Intolerance. Hatred. Fanatism. Ignorance.
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By all means. And when we're done, lets start making more excuses for those who did it, so that the US ends up with all the blame. That way, none of us have to reexamine our leftist principles and face they fact that they are not worth the spit they are spewed with. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: they are not worth the spit they are spewed with. Herrenvolk mentality.
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Lets all take a few moments out from talking about US policy and politics and spend a moment thinking about those killed and injured in Bali last weekend and their families. -- modified at 1:10 Tuesday 4th October, 2005
yes let's spend a few moments thinking about what those f**cked up muslims are planning next... here's what they are saying in Bali jails... STOP-ISLAM-NOW[^] Embrace nuclear weapons: Bashir Samantha Maiden October 04, 2005 ABU Bakir Bashir, the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, has outlined the religious justification for terror attacks in Bali, London and New York and urged jihadists to embrace nuclear weapons "if necessary". In a chilling interview last month in the Jakarta cell where he remains after his conspiracy conviction in relation to the 2002 Bali bombings, the radical Muslim cleric also warned of a clash of civilisations that would not end until the West "accepts to be governed by Islam". The alleged terrorist leader speaks of his hopes of meeting Osama bin Laden if he is released from prison and explains the justification for suicide bombers and terror attacks. "During battle it is different. Still, the whole notion revolves around martyrdom," he says. "But in places like London and in America there must be other calculations. In battle it is best to cause as many casualties as possible."
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Stan Shannon wrote: they are not worth the spit they are spewed with. Herrenvolk mentality.
The great error of nearly all studies of war has been to consider war as an episode in foreign policies, when it is an act of interior politics - Simone Weil Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote: Herrenvolk mentality. :confused: ummm ... is that an insult? :~ "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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yes let's spend a few moments thinking about what those f**cked up muslims are planning next... here's what they are saying in Bali jails... STOP-ISLAM-NOW[^] Embrace nuclear weapons: Bashir Samantha Maiden October 04, 2005 ABU Bakir Bashir, the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, has outlined the religious justification for terror attacks in Bali, London and New York and urged jihadists to embrace nuclear weapons "if necessary". In a chilling interview last month in the Jakarta cell where he remains after his conspiracy conviction in relation to the 2002 Bali bombings, the radical Muslim cleric also warned of a clash of civilisations that would not end until the West "accepts to be governed by Islam". The alleged terrorist leader speaks of his hopes of meeting Osama bin Laden if he is released from prison and explains the justification for suicide bombers and terror attacks. "During battle it is different. Still, the whole notion revolves around martyrdom," he says. "But in places like London and in America there must be other calculations. In battle it is best to cause as many casualties as possible."
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legalAlien wrote: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam. How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. legalAlien wrote: in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. Spot on. What the terrorists follow is not Islam, any more than Christian or Hindu terrorists follow Christianity or Hinduism. It is no harder to co-exist with Muslim fundamentalists as with those of any other religion, and the leaders of all extreme sects are to blame for the brainwashing of their followers to carry out these atrocities. legalAlien wrote: I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And what should happen to these people who don't think like you? Silencing them is the start of the slippery slope to fascism. :rose: Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
Phew! Apologies for the tardiness of my response: it has taken half an hour of the dreaded 500's to get the reply screen to display! Anyway, in response... viaduct wrote: How long have you spent with muslims? Quite a bit, actually, both professionally and personally without a problem. How many of them approved? To my face? Who knows but that really isn'yt the point. The point is how many islamic community leaders come out and say, categorically, that fundamentalism (of any kind) is wrong? Or that violence against anyone is wrong? Or that terrorists should be given up to the authorities? Or that all violence towards the US, Israel, etc should cease forthwith? No, no, can't hear a thing... viaduct wrote: How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? I think when they start indiscriminatley killing innocent people does it for me. What does it for you? At the end of the day I am entitled to defend me and mine from what is an obvious enemy that would not hesitate to destroy me. Perhaps you'd wait for the first shot before reacting: I prefer to cut the head off a snake before it bites me. Contrary to what you might think I crave peace not war. But I will not trade freedom or my life for peace; I'll fight for it.
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K(arl) wrote: Herrenvolk mentality. :confused: ummm ... is that an insult? :~ "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: ummm ... is that an insult? Herrenvolk SYLLABICATION: Her·ren·volk PRONUNCIATION: hrn-fk, -fôlk NOUN: A master race. ETYMOLOGY: German : Herren, genitive pl. of Herr, master; see Herr + Volk, people, nation; see volkslied. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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K(arl) wrote: Herrenvolk mentality. :confused: ummm ... is that an insult? :~ "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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legalAlien wrote: blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims What do you suggest? Deporting them? Pogroming them? Gasing them? legalAlien wrote: who the real culprits are Intolerance. Hatred. Fanatism. Ignorance.
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K(arl) wrote: What do you suggest? Deporting them? Pogroming them? Gasing them? No, deport and isolate. Jeez, what sort of unfeeling despot are you? K(arl) wrote: Intolerance. Hatred. Fanatism. Ignorance. Experience. Love of people. Deep desire for peace (but not at any price). Knowledge.
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Err, try: kill them before they kill us. Works for me. Don't you lefties get it? They will not stop till they get what they want and we just make it easy because we don't have the stomach to say stop and take action, any action, to make that happen. We're so busy being politically correct that we don't see that that just plays into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system. Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily.
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That neither one is justified? That no-one has the right to dictate if or how i worship or choose my Gov't? Eh, i can't speak for Anonymous - he's probably locked in a little room somewhere polishing his gun anyway. But that would be my point - that no-one gets off the hook, at home or abroad.
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That neither one is justified? That no-one has the right to dictate if or how i worship or choose my Gov't? Eh, i can't speak for Anonymous - he's probably locked in a little room somewhere polishing his gun anyway. But that would be my point - that no-one gets off the hook, at home or abroad.
yes the gun is polished because time & rust are deadly for long term storage :-D otherwise I agree... Shog9 wrote: That no-one has the right to dictate if or how i worship or choose my Gov't ditto fatboy... I guess we as a society will have to wait until untold 1000's more are murdered in the name of islam until enough people say "enough let's do something" to drown out the shrieking & wailing of the all too polite people who want to say "can't we all just get along" and keep their head in the sand GEORGE-ORWELL[^] "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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legalAlien wrote: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam. How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. legalAlien wrote: in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. Spot on. What the terrorists follow is not Islam, any more than Christian or Hindu terrorists follow Christianity or Hinduism. It is no harder to co-exist with Muslim fundamentalists as with those of any other religion, and the leaders of all extreme sects are to blame for the brainwashing of their followers to carry out these atrocities. legalAlien wrote: I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And what should happen to these people who don't think like you? Silencing them is the start of the slippery slope to fascism. :rose: Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
viaduct wrote: How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? Wow, you have to approve 100% before your considered with having appalling values that you wouldn't want to live with? Talking percentages here, I would have trouble talking with someone that approved even just 50%. 25%. There is no excuse for the senseless murderings of innocent human beings. If someone even approved 5%, I'd have a problem with it. viaduct wrote: How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And you really are into percentages, aren't you? Me, for myself, I will tolerate, even respect, the beliefs and opinions of my fellowman, but I do not tolerate and respect the action of bombing innocents. Not even if they only agreed with it 1%. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Err, try: kill them before they kill us. Works for me. Don't you lefties get it? They will not stop till they get what they want and we just make it easy because we don't have the stomach to say stop and take action, any action, to make that happen. We're so busy being politically correct that we don't see that that just plays into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system. Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily.
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legalAlien wrote: kill them before they kill us I don't remind where this is advocated in the Gospels. legalAlien wrote: Don't you lefties get it? We christian don't. legalAlien wrote: They legalAlien wrote: they legalAlien wrote: they There are more than 1 billion muslims on Earth. Should we consider all of them as enemies? legalAlien wrote: you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah As a christian, I do. legalAlien wrote: into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system Who? Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle?
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legalAlien wrote: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam. How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. legalAlien wrote: in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. Spot on. What the terrorists follow is not Islam, any more than Christian or Hindu terrorists follow Christianity or Hinduism. It is no harder to co-exist with Muslim fundamentalists as with those of any other religion, and the leaders of all extreme sects are to blame for the brainwashing of their followers to carry out these atrocities. legalAlien wrote: I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And what should happen to these people who don't think like you? Silencing them is the start of the slippery slope to fascism. :rose: Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
viaduct wrote: How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. Man, I get sick of that stupid argument. What difference does it make how many muslims were horrified by the terrorism? Is "moderate" an arabic word for "coward"? If the so-called moderates are unable or unwilling to control their extremists factions what the hell difference does it make if they are moderate or not? Are the rest of us supposed to just endure unedning attacks from fanatics because by defending ourselves we might accidentally harm a moderate? Or are we supposed to figure out why the muslims don't like us and change until they do? I'm willing to follow what ever logical options you wish to offer, but until you do I'm shooting back indiscriminantly. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote: ummm ... is that an insult? Herrenvolk SYLLABICATION: Her·ren·volk PRONUNCIATION: hrn-fk, -fôlk NOUN: A master race. ETYMOLOGY: German : Herren, genitive pl. of Herr, master; see Herr + Volk, people, nation; see volkslied. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Hmmmm, I wonder how he got that from anything I said? Still, Karl was the first to compare someone to a Nazi on this thread, so he loses. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."