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legalAlien wrote: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam. How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. legalAlien wrote: in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. Spot on. What the terrorists follow is not Islam, any more than Christian or Hindu terrorists follow Christianity or Hinduism. It is no harder to co-exist with Muslim fundamentalists as with those of any other religion, and the leaders of all extreme sects are to blame for the brainwashing of their followers to carry out these atrocities. legalAlien wrote: I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And what should happen to these people who don't think like you? Silencing them is the start of the slippery slope to fascism. :rose: Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
viaduct wrote: How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? Wow, you have to approve 100% before your considered with having appalling values that you wouldn't want to live with? Talking percentages here, I would have trouble talking with someone that approved even just 50%. 25%. There is no excuse for the senseless murderings of innocent human beings. If someone even approved 5%, I'd have a problem with it. viaduct wrote: How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And you really are into percentages, aren't you? Me, for myself, I will tolerate, even respect, the beliefs and opinions of my fellowman, but I do not tolerate and respect the action of bombing innocents. Not even if they only agreed with it 1%. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Err, try: kill them before they kill us. Works for me. Don't you lefties get it? They will not stop till they get what they want and we just make it easy because we don't have the stomach to say stop and take action, any action, to make that happen. We're so busy being politically correct that we don't see that that just plays into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system. Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily.
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legalAlien wrote: kill them before they kill us I don't remind where this is advocated in the Gospels. legalAlien wrote: Don't you lefties get it? We christian don't. legalAlien wrote: They legalAlien wrote: they legalAlien wrote: they There are more than 1 billion muslims on Earth. Should we consider all of them as enemies? legalAlien wrote: you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah As a christian, I do. legalAlien wrote: into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system Who? Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle?
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legalAlien wrote: don't tell me that this is nothing to do with islam. It has everythng to with islam. How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. legalAlien wrote: in the name of some dubious god that, if it were to exists, would probably denounce present day islam as an abomination of what once was a peaceful religion. Spot on. What the terrorists follow is not Islam, any more than Christian or Hindu terrorists follow Christianity or Hinduism. It is no harder to co-exist with Muslim fundamentalists as with those of any other religion, and the leaders of all extreme sects are to blame for the brainwashing of their followers to carry out these atrocities. legalAlien wrote: I can't see a peaceful way of sharing a world with muslims in it. They just do not hold the same values as me and mine. How much deviation from your own views do you tolerate before deciding that you just can't co-exist on this planet with someone? 50%? 5%? 1%? And what should happen to these people who don't think like you? Silencing them is the start of the slippery slope to fascism. :rose: Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
viaduct wrote: How long have you spent with muslims? How many have you spoken to? How many of them approved 100% of the actions of the murderers? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any moderate muslim who felt anything other than horror at the appalling acts these ****s are doing in the name of their religion. Man, I get sick of that stupid argument. What difference does it make how many muslims were horrified by the terrorism? Is "moderate" an arabic word for "coward"? If the so-called moderates are unable or unwilling to control their extremists factions what the hell difference does it make if they are moderate or not? Are the rest of us supposed to just endure unedning attacks from fanatics because by defending ourselves we might accidentally harm a moderate? Or are we supposed to figure out why the muslims don't like us and change until they do? I'm willing to follow what ever logical options you wish to offer, but until you do I'm shooting back indiscriminantly. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote: ummm ... is that an insult? Herrenvolk SYLLABICATION: Her·ren·volk PRONUNCIATION: hrn-fk, -fôlk NOUN: A master race. ETYMOLOGY: German : Herren, genitive pl. of Herr, master; see Herr + Volk, people, nation; see volkslied. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Hmmmm, I wonder how he got that from anything I said? Still, Karl was the first to compare someone to a Nazi on this thread, so he loses. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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legalAlien wrote: At least blame the correct murdering thugs: muslims.... snip ...it's just the f***ing muslims More horseshit. What we have are people murdered people. Followers of every religion (and none) have the choice whether to follow a peaceful or a violent path through life, and there are murderers of all faiths (and none). The bombers could have chosen a peaceful path to put over their point of view, but they didn't. Their religion is irrelevant: they themselves decided to take the path of violence. Christians do it; Hindus do it. Islam isn't the problem, it's the fact that some people erroneously think that violence will solve their problems. Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
viaduct wrote: Christians do it;Hindus do it. On the scale of Musliums? I think not. You get a few like in yugoslavia who did it, but we put them on trial. You dont see that in the Muslium world. Please explain how other religions do it on the same scale as musliums.
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legalAlien wrote: kill them before they kill us I don't remind where this is advocated in the Gospels. legalAlien wrote: Don't you lefties get it? We christian don't. legalAlien wrote: They legalAlien wrote: they legalAlien wrote: they There are more than 1 billion muslims on Earth. Should we consider all of them as enemies? legalAlien wrote: you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah As a christian, I do. legalAlien wrote: into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system Who? Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle?
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K(arl) wrote: you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah As a christian, I do. If you are a Christian, you might want to rethink that. I do not think you God will allow wife beatings, honor killings, and the killing of non-believers. The musilums say they are the same God but I would be very careful in drinking that Kool-Aid.
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Err, try: kill them before they kill us. Works for me. Don't you lefties get it? They will not stop till they get what they want and we just make it easy because we don't have the stomach to say stop and take action, any action, to make that happen. We're so busy being politically correct that we don't see that that just plays into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system. Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily.
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legalAlien wrote: Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily. lunacy Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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K(arl) wrote: you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah As a christian, I do. If you are a Christian, you might want to rethink that. I do not think you God will allow wife beatings, honor killings, and the killing of non-believers. The musilums say they are the same God but I would be very careful in drinking that Kool-Aid.
kgaddy wrote: I do not think you God will allow wife beatings, honor killings, and the killing of non-believers Not even in the Old Testament? Nah... kgaddy wrote: The musilums say they are the same God There is only one God, don't you know that? Jews, Christians, Muslims, we are all people of the Book.
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kgaddy wrote: I do not think you God will allow wife beatings, honor killings, and the killing of non-believers Not even in the Old Testament? Nah... kgaddy wrote: The musilums say they are the same God There is only one God, don't you know that? Jews, Christians, Muslims, we are all people of the Book.
The great error of nearly all studies of war has been to consider war as an episode in foreign policies, when it is an act of interior politics - Simone Weil Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote: There is only one God, don't you know that? Jews, Christians, Muslims, we are all people of the Book. Yes, only one God. But Musilums believe they have to the right to kill you if you do not follow the their teaching and their ways. Our one God does not believe this. So I'm not sure what they are worshiping. Islam is like the borg. They try to infiltrate everything to take it over. Is it just a coincidence that Mohammad "rose" to heaven on the Jewish holy site of the temple mount? therefore taking it over as their own?
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Err, try: kill them before they kill us. Works for me. Don't you lefties get it? They will not stop till they get what they want and we just make it easy because we don't have the stomach to say stop and take action, any action, to make that happen. We're so busy being politically correct that we don't see that that just plays into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system. Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily.
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legalAlien wrote: Unless we take action soon you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah while you can still do it voluntarily. Be afraid, be very afraid. :laugh::rolleyes:
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legalAlien wrote: kill them before they kill us I don't remind where this is advocated in the Gospels. legalAlien wrote: Don't you lefties get it? We christian don't. legalAlien wrote: They legalAlien wrote: they legalAlien wrote: they There are more than 1 billion muslims on Earth. Should we consider all of them as enemies? legalAlien wrote: you may as well go and swear allegiance to allah As a christian, I do. legalAlien wrote: into the hands of lunatics and killers who know how to play the system Who? Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle?
The great error of nearly all studies of war has been to consider war as an episode in foreign policies, when it is an act of interior politics - Simone Weil Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote: I don't remind where this is advocated in the Gospels. Wrong religion. K(arl) wrote: We christian don't. Good for you. K(arl) wrote: There are more than 1 billion muslims on Earth. Should we consider all of them as enemies? Yup. K(arl) wrote: As a christian, I do. What? Are you serious? What sort of a crypto-christian are you? K(arl) wrote: Who? Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle? No: perhaps Bin Laden or that evil little scroat Arafat: if only he were alive so that he could die again for the misery that he caused.
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kgaddy wrote: I do not think you God will allow wife beatings, honor killings, and the killing of non-believers Not even in the Old Testament? Nah... kgaddy wrote: The musilums say they are the same God There is only one God, don't you know that? Jews, Christians, Muslims, we are all people of the Book.
The great error of nearly all studies of war has been to consider war as an episode in foreign policies, when it is an act of interior politics - Simone Weil Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote: There is only one God, Prove it! :P Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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viaduct wrote: Christians do it;Hindus do it. On the scale of Musliums? I think not. You get a few like in yugoslavia who did it, but we put them on trial. You dont see that in the Muslium world. Please explain how other religions do it on the same scale as musliums.
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Ever heard of The Crusades? Spanish Inquisition? Though admittedly these aren't modern examples. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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I dont understand Bali bombings . Indonesia is a muslim majority state ! Most of the crimes commited in the name of Islam happen in Non-muslim majority states (read sep 11 , attacks on Isreal , terrorism in India , Russia). Indonesia stands alone quite not fitting into the common description . I dont understand what is the aim of islamic fundamentalists in indonesia ! Let the souls departed in bali rest in peace redindian
Almost 95% of Bali's population is Hindu by religion. The Islamist extremists cannot abide the idea that there can exist a non-Muslim population inside a Muslim country. So they bomb Bali. Notice they never bombed cities in Java, Sumatra, Borneo or Celebes (all of them Muslim-majority islands in Indonesia). (Except once in Jakarta aimed at the Americans.)
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By all means. And when we're done, lets start making more excuses for those who did it, so that the US ends up with all the blame. That way, none of us have to reexamine our leftist principles and face they fact that they are not worth the spit they are spewed with. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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K(arl) wrote: There is only one God, don't you know that? Jews, Christians, Muslims, we are all people of the Book. Yes, only one God. But Musilums believe they have to the right to kill you if you do not follow the their teaching and their ways. Our one God does not believe this. So I'm not sure what they are worshiping. Islam is like the borg. They try to infiltrate everything to take it over. Is it just a coincidence that Mohammad "rose" to heaven on the Jewish holy site of the temple mount? therefore taking it over as their own?
kgaddy wrote: Is it just a coincidence that Mohammad "rose" to heaven on the Jewish holy site of the temple mount? I don't think so, it is a way to show that Islam is a continuation from the two 'previous' monotheist religions. Jerusalem is also a holy place for Christians. kgaddy wrote: They try to infiltrate everything to take it over The same can be said for Christianity...You heard of missionaries I presume: From wikipedia: A missionary is a propagator of religion, often an evangelist or other representative of a religious community who works among those outside of that community.
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K(arl) wrote: There is only one God, Prove it! :P Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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K(arl) wrote: I don't remind where this is advocated in the Gospels. Wrong religion. K(arl) wrote: We christian don't. Good for you. K(arl) wrote: There are more than 1 billion muslims on Earth. Should we consider all of them as enemies? Yup. K(arl) wrote: As a christian, I do. What? Are you serious? What sort of a crypto-christian are you? K(arl) wrote: Who? Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle? No: perhaps Bin Laden or that evil little scroat Arafat: if only he were alive so that he could die again for the misery that he caused.
legalAlien wrote: What? Are you serious? Of course I am. There's is only one God, and God is the Greatest: Allahu Akbar. The difference is I don't believe Mahomet was a prophet, and muslims don't believe Jesus was the Son of God. legalAlien wrote: Yup. Waoh. I thought Nazis were blocked by the Channel during WW2, I didn't realize some managed to cross anyway.
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kgaddy wrote: Is it just a coincidence that Mohammad "rose" to heaven on the Jewish holy site of the temple mount? I don't think so, it is a way to show that Islam is a continuation from the two 'previous' monotheist religions. Jerusalem is also a holy place for Christians. kgaddy wrote: They try to infiltrate everything to take it over The same can be said for Christianity...You heard of missionaries I presume: From wikipedia: A missionary is a propagator of religion, often an evangelist or other representative of a religious community who works among those outside of that community.
The great error of nearly all studies of war has been to consider war as an episode in foreign policies, when it is an act of interior politics - Simone Weil Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote: I don't think so, it is a way to show that Islam is a continuation from the two 'previous' monotheist religions. Jerusalem is also a holy place for Christians. You dont get it. Jews and Christian are NOT allowed on the holy mount. They took it and kept everyone else out. K(arl) wrote: The same can be said for Christianity...You heard of missionaries I presume: Not the same. Islam takes over and kills you or kicks you out. Try this: Go to Mecca and see is you do not get arrested o even killed. K(arl) wrote: A missionary is a propagator of religion, often an evangelist or other representative of a religious community who works among those outside of that community. It's ok try try to convert. Just dont kill me if I choose not to convert.