The problen wih Islam, and how to solve it.
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OK, after much thought and examination of what is going on in the world here is it is: Problem: Islam has many factions; some very extremist, bent on destruction, most, peaceful. But, how does one control the other? In a religion as distributed as Islam, how does a muslem in Birmingham control what a muslem in Indonesia does? Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, at the head of a centrally organised religion. As with the pope said head gets elected by the most eminent leaders. As an organisation, it has the ability to declare a rogue cleric as 'excomunicated' from the church, thefore outlawing him and all his teachings. This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. So, you muslems out there, whos got the ball sto start this going. Untill you do you will all be tarnished by the behaviour of the few. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote: Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, fat_boy wrote: This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. Since when having pope solved christian problems? :~ Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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...in three parts: 1) Radical muslims keep killing each other and others. 2) All attempts to reduce #1 result only in encouragement for radical factions. 3) End of the World, as we know it and otherwise, with neither radical muslims nor their victims feeling fine. Actually, that's not so much a solution as a prediction of what will really happen... :rolleyes:
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...in three parts: 1) Radical muslims keep killing each other and others. 2) All attempts to reduce #1 result only in encouragement for radical factions. 3) End of the World, as we know it and otherwise, with neither radical muslims nor their victims feeling fine. Actually, that's not so much a solution as a prediction of what will really happen... :rolleyes:
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The problem with any sort of discussion about a "solution", is that you need to have a well-defined problem first. Yeah, violent groups of muslims running around is a problem... but it's based on a whole slew of little problems: land disputes, law disputes, disaster, drought, oil, poverty, greed... Some of these might be solveable, some really aren't, but it is very, very doubtful that there is One Great Solution for all of them. Of course, you can always define the problem as "the world is very evil", and get back to my solution... ;)
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fat_boy wrote: This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. It would not be bad, but really not the only way. Prodostants do not have a central authority. Well like the Catholics do at least. But the point is that you can form a Christian Church and not abide by the Catholics rules. I think it needs to start in the schools where they teach these poor kids to blow themselves up. And kill innocent people. Should be arrested for child abuse.
Yes, protestantism caused me to think on my statement. But, I think the difference is that protestantism, coming from the germanic area of europe, is the bastion of a different cultural attitude and mentality. To whit, one of abidance to the law and social responsability. Re 'start in the schools', a central authority would dictate what can, and cant be taught in the name of that religin, and would thus control this too. Nunc est bibendum
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fat_boy wrote: Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, fat_boy wrote: This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. Since when having pope solved christian problems? :~ Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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OK, after much thought and examination of what is going on in the world here is it is: Problem: Islam has many factions; some very extremist, bent on destruction, most, peaceful. But, how does one control the other? In a religion as distributed as Islam, how does a muslem in Birmingham control what a muslem in Indonesia does? Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, at the head of a centrally organised religion. As with the pope said head gets elected by the most eminent leaders. As an organisation, it has the ability to declare a rogue cleric as 'excomunicated' from the church, thefore outlawing him and all his teachings. This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. So, you muslems out there, whos got the ball sto start this going. Untill you do you will all be tarnished by the behaviour of the few. Nunc est bibendum
The problem with engineers & programmers is that they think they can program anything including history, politics, society and religion.:doh: You can program computers and make machines but you can't program people or build cultures. Boy, I am just imagining millions of muslins fascinated by your fantastic "discover", anxious to implement it... Can't you see? You're just like the idiots in the White House thinking they can make nation building by imposing/forcing a external "solution" to a totally diferent culture/society. The solution to the problem with Islam begins with Islam and inside Islam, not in the Western countries, which should stay out of it. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
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OK, after much thought and examination of what is going on in the world here is it is: Problem: Islam has many factions; some very extremist, bent on destruction, most, peaceful. But, how does one control the other? In a religion as distributed as Islam, how does a muslem in Birmingham control what a muslem in Indonesia does? Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, at the head of a centrally organised religion. As with the pope said head gets elected by the most eminent leaders. As an organisation, it has the ability to declare a rogue cleric as 'excomunicated' from the church, thefore outlawing him and all his teachings. This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. So, you muslems out there, whos got the ball sto start this going. Untill you do you will all be tarnished by the behaviour of the few. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote: how to solve it here's some text written by ex-muslims, they seem to think that islam itself is fundamentally flawed & incapable of being fixed... APOSTATES[^] Mankind’s biggest challenge: Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do. more info from ex-muslims available at FAITHFREEDOM[^] "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." Abraham Lincoln Thereupon I concluded: As I would not be a dhimmi, so I would not be a Muslim. Ali Sina the forums at the above 2 websites are full of interesting posts.... for current non-ex-muslims, here's a website, check out THEIR forums to see what they are saying, especially if you support the "lefties" and disagree with the "righties" posts here at CP MANIACMUSLIM[^] and after reading all this blather, then try to imagine why some people want to post ANONYMOUSLY about this stuff :confused: :confused:
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OK, after much thought and examination of what is going on in the world here is it is: Problem: Islam has many factions; some very extremist, bent on destruction, most, peaceful. But, how does one control the other? In a religion as distributed as Islam, how does a muslem in Birmingham control what a muslem in Indonesia does? Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, at the head of a centrally organised religion. As with the pope said head gets elected by the most eminent leaders. As an organisation, it has the ability to declare a rogue cleric as 'excomunicated' from the church, thefore outlawing him and all his teachings. This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. So, you muslems out there, whos got the ball sto start this going. Untill you do you will all be tarnished by the behaviour of the few. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The problem with Islam is people. The problem with any religion, even Christianity, is people. Frankly, the problem with anything is people. And people is a problem that other people always try to fix but can't. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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The problem with engineers & programmers is that they think they can program anything including history, politics, society and religion.:doh: You can program computers and make machines but you can't program people or build cultures. Boy, I am just imagining millions of muslins fascinated by your fantastic "discover", anxious to implement it... Can't you see? You're just like the idiots in the White House thinking they can make nation building by imposing/forcing a external "solution" to a totally diferent culture/society. The solution to the problem with Islam begins with Islam and inside Islam, not in the Western countries, which should stay out of it. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
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fat_boy wrote: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The problem with Islam is people. The problem with any religion, even Christianity, is people. Frankly, the problem with anything is people. And people is a problem that other people always try to fix but can't. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Marc Clifton wrote: The problem with Islam is people. The problem with any religion, even Christianity, is people. Frankly, the problem with anything is people. And people is a problem that other people always try to fix but can't. Sounds like the solution is robots. Lots and lots of robots.
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The problem with any sort of discussion about a "solution", is that you need to have a well-defined problem first. Yeah, violent groups of muslims running around is a problem... but it's based on a whole slew of little problems: land disputes, law disputes, disaster, drought, oil, poverty, greed... Some of these might be solveable, some really aren't, but it is very, very doubtful that there is One Great Solution for all of them. Of course, you can always define the problem as "the world is very evil", and get back to my solution... ;)
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Marc Clifton wrote: The problem with Islam is people. The problem with any religion, even Christianity, is people. Frankly, the problem with anything is people. And people is a problem that other people always try to fix but can't. Sounds like the solution is robots. Lots and lots of robots.
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OK, after much thought and examination of what is going on in the world here is it is: Problem: Islam has many factions; some very extremist, bent on destruction, most, peaceful. But, how does one control the other? In a religion as distributed as Islam, how does a muslem in Birmingham control what a muslem in Indonesia does? Solution: A central muslem authority. Something like a pope, at the head of a centrally organised religion. As with the pope said head gets elected by the most eminent leaders. As an organisation, it has the ability to declare a rogue cleric as 'excomunicated' from the church, thefore outlawing him and all his teachings. This is the only way Islam is going to solve its problems. So, you muslems out there, whos got the ball sto start this going. Untill you do you will all be tarnished by the behaviour of the few. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote: Solution: A central muslem authority. They already do. Apparently his name is Osama. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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The problem with engineers & programmers is that they think they can program anything including history, politics, society and religion.:doh: You can program computers and make machines but you can't program people or build cultures. Boy, I am just imagining millions of muslins fascinated by your fantastic "discover", anxious to implement it... Can't you see? You're just like the idiots in the White House thinking they can make nation building by imposing/forcing a external "solution" to a totally diferent culture/society. The solution to the problem with Islam begins with Islam and inside Islam, not in the Western countries, which should stay out of it. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Diego Moita wrote: The solution to the problem with Islam begins with Islam and inside Islam, not in the Western countries, which should stay out of it. You just dont get it. When they start flying planes into buildings, they brought us into it. Try reading a little history pre-WWII. Look at Chamberlin and Churchill. Who was right? Diego Moita wrote: Can't you see? You're just like the idiots in the White House thinking they can make nation building by imposing/forcing a external "solution" to a totally diferent culture/society. Is that why 80% are glad the US freed them from a dictator? Every culture has a right to be free. Just because it is diffrent from your own does not mean that it is not smart enough to handle freedom.
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The problem with any sort of discussion about a "solution", is that you need to have a well-defined problem first. Yeah, violent groups of muslims running around is a problem... but it's based on a whole slew of little problems: land disputes, law disputes, disaster, drought, oil, poverty, greed... Some of these might be solveable, some really aren't, but it is very, very doubtful that there is One Great Solution for all of them. Of course, you can always define the problem as "the world is very evil", and get back to my solution... ;)
Shog9 wrote: you can always define the problem as "the world is very evil", Reminds me of people cruising around with those "Mean People Suck" stickers on their cars. BW
Meanwhile, behind the facade of this innocent looking bookstore...
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fat_boy wrote: how to solve it here's some text written by ex-muslims, they seem to think that islam itself is fundamentally flawed & incapable of being fixed... APOSTATES[^] Mankind’s biggest challenge: Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do. more info from ex-muslims available at FAITHFREEDOM[^] "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." Abraham Lincoln Thereupon I concluded: As I would not be a dhimmi, so I would not be a Muslim. Ali Sina the forums at the above 2 websites are full of interesting posts.... for current non-ex-muslims, here's a website, check out THEIR forums to see what they are saying, especially if you support the "lefties" and disagree with the "righties" posts here at CP MANIACMUSLIM[^] and after reading all this blather, then try to imagine why some people want to post ANONYMOUSLY about this stuff :confused: :confused:
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Diego Moita wrote: Western countries, which should stay out of it I agree, and, did I suggest we in the Wwest should establish their central authority? No I didnt, so your rebuttal is totally misfounded. Nunc est bibendum
Oh my, oh my... You certainly made a great effort to not understand my "rebutal". My central argument is that you can't change culture, politics and people from the outside. Your quotation is just an appendix to what I wrote. My argument is like Marc Clifton said some messages bellow: And people is a problem that other people always try to fix but can't. Where did you learn to debate by doing this stupid old trick of confusing the small part for the whole? With french descontrutivist philosophers? I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
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Diego Moita wrote: The solution to the problem with Islam begins with Islam and inside Islam, not in the Western countries, which should stay out of it. You just dont get it. When they start flying planes into buildings, they brought us into it. Try reading a little history pre-WWII. Look at Chamberlin and Churchill. Who was right? Diego Moita wrote: Can't you see? You're just like the idiots in the White House thinking they can make nation building by imposing/forcing a external "solution" to a totally diferent culture/society. Is that why 80% are glad the US freed them from a dictator? Every culture has a right to be free. Just because it is diffrent from your own does not mean that it is not smart enough to handle freedom.
kgaddy wrote: When they start flying planes into buildings, they brought us into it. Ooops! A smart guy! That's a good argument! But when did it start? Look, I am not here to try to justify their insanity, stupidity or to hide the plain fact that they're the ones to blame for their own problems; but honestly there is a lot to discuss and criticize about the Western policy towards Arab countries. Oh, BTW, do we need to go back again to the subject "Afganistan, Saudi Arabia and Paquistan suported Al-Qaeda, but not Iraq"? kgaddy wrote: Is that why 80% are glad the US freed them from a dictator? Doesn't look like that to me. Are they giving flowers and baklavas to the troops? kgaddy wrote: Just because it is diffrent from your own does not mean that it is not smart enough to handle freedom. It is not about freedom. They're not countries. There are no arab countries, just tribes with flags. Their current geographical boundaries where drawn mostly by europeans. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
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kgaddy wrote: When they start flying planes into buildings, they brought us into it. Ooops! A smart guy! That's a good argument! But when did it start? Look, I am not here to try to justify their insanity, stupidity or to hide the plain fact that they're the ones to blame for their own problems; but honestly there is a lot to discuss and criticize about the Western policy towards Arab countries. Oh, BTW, do we need to go back again to the subject "Afganistan, Saudi Arabia and Paquistan suported Al-Qaeda, but not Iraq"? kgaddy wrote: Is that why 80% are glad the US freed them from a dictator? Doesn't look like that to me. Are they giving flowers and baklavas to the troops? kgaddy wrote: Just because it is diffrent from your own does not mean that it is not smart enough to handle freedom. It is not about freedom. They're not countries. There are no arab countries, just tribes with flags. Their current geographical boundaries where drawn mostly by europeans. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Diego Moita wrote: Doesn't look like that to me. Well if you read the reports, the one's doing the fighting are not the Iraqi people, but radicals from other countries. Diego Moita wrote: It is not about freedom. They're not countries. There are no arab countries, just tribes with flags. Their current geographical boundaries where drawn mostly by europea Are you saying they do not even rise to the level of a country, but are just tribesmen? Are you saying they cannot even handel a border and act like a country? Why are you so down on Arabs?