HTML style suggestions
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Chris & whoever else is working here :) -- I just had a couple of comments about the HTML which I feel would improve the site. First, *please* underline links! This is a big peeve of mine. Links should be underlined to make them stand out as links. Just changing the color of the text doesn't make them stand out enough. For instance, on the main page, all of the categories in the left navigation bar look like plain text. It's not until you mouseover the text that you can tell that they're links. Users shouldn't have to go hunting for links like that. Also, the colors of unvisited links and visited links are too similar. Unvisited links are blue and visited ones are just a shade darker. Unless I happen to have two links near each other to compare the colors, I cannot tell whether a link is visited or not. Again, you're making more work for the user and you gain nothing by doing so. The default colors (blue and purple) work fine and would even fit in nicely with the existing color scheme. OK, enough ranting. ;) --Mike--
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Chris & whoever else is working here :) -- I just had a couple of comments about the HTML which I feel would improve the site. First, *please* underline links! This is a big peeve of mine. Links should be underlined to make them stand out as links. Just changing the color of the text doesn't make them stand out enough. For instance, on the main page, all of the categories in the left navigation bar look like plain text. It's not until you mouseover the text that you can tell that they're links. Users shouldn't have to go hunting for links like that. Also, the colors of unvisited links and visited links are too similar. Unvisited links are blue and visited ones are just a shade darker. Unless I happen to have two links near each other to compare the colors, I cannot tell whether a link is visited or not. Again, you're making more work for the user and you gain nothing by doing so. The default colors (blue and purple) work fine and would even fit in nicely with the existing color scheme. OK, enough ranting. ;) --Mike--
So - you'd like me to have a look at link styles, huh? Thanks for your comments - I'll add these to my TODO list and hopefully make the site easier to navigate. - Chris ================== The original message was: Chris & whoever else is working here :) --
I just had a couple of comments about the HTML which I feel would improve the site.
First, *please* underline links! This is a big peeve of mine. Links should be underlined to make them stand out as links. Just changing the color of the text doesn't make them stand out enough.
For instance, on the main page, all of the categories in the left navigation bar look like plain text. It's not until you mouseover the text that you can tell that they're links. Users shouldn't have to go hunting for links like that.
Also, the colors of unvisited links and visited links are too similar. Unvisited links are blue and visited ones are just a shade darker. Unless I happen to have two links near each other to compare the colors, I cannot tell whether a link is visited or not. Again, you're making more work for the user and you gain nothing by doing so. The default colors (blue and purple) work fine and would even fit in nicely with the existing color scheme.
OK, enough ranting. ;)
--Mike--
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Chris & whoever else is working here :) -- I just had a couple of comments about the HTML which I feel would improve the site. First, *please* underline links! This is a big peeve of mine. Links should be underlined to make them stand out as links. Just changing the color of the text doesn't make them stand out enough. For instance, on the main page, all of the categories in the left navigation bar look like plain text. It's not until you mouseover the text that you can tell that they're links. Users shouldn't have to go hunting for links like that. Also, the colors of unvisited links and visited links are too similar. Unvisited links are blue and visited ones are just a shade darker. Unless I happen to have two links near each other to compare the colors, I cannot tell whether a link is visited or not. Again, you're making more work for the user and you gain nothing by doing so. The default colors (blue and purple) work fine and would even fit in nicely with the existing color scheme. OK, enough ranting. ;) --Mike--
Mike and Chris got to agree with the problems with telling visited and unvisited links apart, but even with two links next to each other I can't tell. Colour blindness is a real bitch. Also the blue/purple scenario, guess what two colours of many I have explicit problems telling apart. Just my thoughts, I have these sorts of problems on many web sites and with many computer applications. Very few developers think of the colour blind, and I can tell you that a large percentage of people (especially male) have some form of colour blindness though most are note that extreme. ================== The original message was: Chris & whoever else is working here :) --
I just had a couple of comments about the HTML which I feel would improve the site.
First, *please* underline links! This is a big peeve of mine. Links should be underlined to make them stand out as links. Just changing the color of the text doesn't make them stand out enough.
For instance, on the main page, all of the categories in the left navigation bar look like plain text. It's not until you mouseover the text that you can tell that they're links. Users shouldn't have to go hunting for links like that.
Also, the colors of unvisited links and visited links are too similar. Unvisited links are blue and visited ones are just a shade darker. Unless I happen to have two links near each other to compare the colors, I cannot tell whether a link is visited or not. Again, you're making more work for the user and you gain nothing by doing so. The default colors (blue and purple) work fine and would even fit in nicely with the existing color scheme.
OK, enough ranting. ;)
--Mike--
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Mike and Chris got to agree with the problems with telling visited and unvisited links apart, but even with two links next to each other I can't tell. Colour blindness is a real bitch. Also the blue/purple scenario, guess what two colours of many I have explicit problems telling apart. Just my thoughts, I have these sorts of problems on many web sites and with many computer applications. Very few developers think of the colour blind, and I can tell you that a large percentage of people (especially male) have some form of colour blindness though most are note that extreme. ================== The original message was: Chris & whoever else is working here :) --
I just had a couple of comments about the HTML which I feel would improve the site.
First, *please* underline links! This is a big peeve of mine. Links should be underlined to make them stand out as links. Just changing the color of the text doesn't make them stand out enough.
For instance, on the main page, all of the categories in the left navigation bar look like plain text. It's not until you mouseover the text that you can tell that they're links. Users shouldn't have to go hunting for links like that.
Also, the colors of unvisited links and visited links are too similar. Unvisited links are blue and visited ones are just a shade darker. Unless I happen to have two links near each other to compare the colors, I cannot tell whether a link is visited or not. Again, you're making more work for the user and you gain nothing by doing so. The default colors (blue and purple) work fine and would even fit in nicely with the existing color scheme.
OK, enough ranting. ;)
--Mike--
When you say very few developers think of the color blind, that is likely true, but it's not a conscious conspiracy against you. :) Speaking for myself, I have heard only one thing about male color-blindness, that being red-green blindness. (So, for example, it's bad to use green for unvisited links, and red for visited links.) Asking as a developer, what are the best colors to use? I see color fine, so I honestly have no idea what colors pose problems for color-blind folks. --Mike-- ================== The original message was: Mike and Chris
got to agree with the problems with telling visited and unvisited links apart, but even with two links next to each other I can't tell. Colour blindness is a real bitch.
Also the blue/purple scenario, guess what two colours of many I have explicit problems telling apart.
Just my thoughts, I have these sorts of problems on many web sites and with many computer applications. Very few developers think of the colour blind, and I can tell you that a large percentage of people (especially male) have some form of colour blindness though most are note that extreme.
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When you say very few developers think of the color blind, that is likely true, but it's not a conscious conspiracy against you. :) Speaking for myself, I have heard only one thing about male color-blindness, that being red-green blindness. (So, for example, it's bad to use green for unvisited links, and red for visited links.) Asking as a developer, what are the best colors to use? I see color fine, so I honestly have no idea what colors pose problems for color-blind folks. --Mike-- ================== The original message was: Mike and Chris
got to agree with the problems with telling visited and unvisited links apart, but even with two links next to each other I can't tell. Colour blindness is a real bitch.
Also the blue/purple scenario, guess what two colours of many I have explicit problems telling apart.
Just my thoughts, I have these sorts of problems on many web sites and with many computer applications. Very few developers think of the colour blind, and I can tell you that a large percentage of people (especially male) have some form of colour blindness though most are note that extreme.
Mike didn't actually mean that their was a conspiracy, just that people don't think about it. Those who aren't colour blind rarely think or sometimes even know about it and those that are colour blind forget about it as it has generally blended in to the background. Red / Green colour blindness is just the one that most hear about. Knew I was colour blind since I was a child as I would stuff up the colour by number books we had as kids. What I didn't know was I had problems with Red / Green until a medical for the Army show it up. Failed to differentiate between Red / Green / White lights shone on a wall about 7 metres away. They all looked the bloody same. Anyway I have problems with the following colours - Red / Green Dark Green / Brown Blue / Purple Red / Brown (this is a problem with Snooker) I also know of people who have problems with Pink / Grey. You don't even want to go into weird colours and varying shades with me as I get completely lost there. Anyway, back to the original question, what are the best colour combinations ..... no bloody idea. Different things depending on the background, sometimes I have had problems reading whole pages because of this, I generally only know what doesn't work once I see it. I suppose if you steer clear of the combinations mentioned above you should stay out a trouble. ================== The original message was: When you say very few developers think of the color blind, that is likely true, but it's not a conscious conspiracy against you. :) Speaking for myself, I have heard only one thing about male color-blindness, that being red-green blindness. (So, for example, it's bad to use green for unvisited links, and red for visited links.)
Asking as a developer, what are the best colors to use? I see color fine, so I honestly have no idea what colors pose problems for color-blind folks.
--Mike--
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The original message was:Mike and Chris
got to agree with the problems with telling visited and unvisited links apart, but even with two links next to each other I can't tell. Colour blindness is a real bitch.
Also the blue/purple scenario, guess what two colours of many I have explicit problems telling apart.
Just my thoughts, I have these sorts of problems on many web sites and with many computer applications. Very few developers think of the colour blind, and I can tell you that a large percentage of people (especially male) have some form of colour blindness though most are n
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Mike didn't actually mean that their was a conspiracy, just that people don't think about it. Those who aren't colour blind rarely think or sometimes even know about it and those that are colour blind forget about it as it has generally blended in to the background. Red / Green colour blindness is just the one that most hear about. Knew I was colour blind since I was a child as I would stuff up the colour by number books we had as kids. What I didn't know was I had problems with Red / Green until a medical for the Army show it up. Failed to differentiate between Red / Green / White lights shone on a wall about 7 metres away. They all looked the bloody same. Anyway I have problems with the following colours - Red / Green Dark Green / Brown Blue / Purple Red / Brown (this is a problem with Snooker) I also know of people who have problems with Pink / Grey. You don't even want to go into weird colours and varying shades with me as I get completely lost there. Anyway, back to the original question, what are the best colour combinations ..... no bloody idea. Different things depending on the background, sometimes I have had problems reading whole pages because of this, I generally only know what doesn't work once I see it. I suppose if you steer clear of the combinations mentioned above you should stay out a trouble. ================== The original message was: When you say very few developers think of the color blind, that is likely true, but it's not a conscious conspiracy against you. :) Speaking for myself, I have heard only one thing about male color-blindness, that being red-green blindness. (So, for example, it's bad to use green for unvisited links, and red for visited links.)
Asking as a developer, what are the best colors to use? I see color fine, so I honestly have no idea what colors pose problems for color-blind folks.
--Mike--
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The original message was:Mike and Chris
got to agree with the problems with telling visited and unvisited links apart, but even with two links next to each other I can't tell. Colour blindness is a real bitch.
Also the blue/purple scenario, guess what two colours of many I have explicit problems telling apart.
Just my thoughts, I have these sorts of problems on many web sites and with many computer applications. Very few developers think of the colour blind, and I can tell you that a large percentage of people (especially male) have some form of colour blindness though most are n
Wikipedia has a pretty good article on color blindness. Included are links to some applications like http://www.vischeck.com/ that can simulate various types of color blindness. Without darkness, there are no dreams. -Karla Kuban