Serious question related to ID...
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Actually, both radheads suk, and Irate Pirate were two usernames I used to try to stir up trouble back when people were arguing over islam. If you go to the profiles and look at some of the past messages, you can see that it was me. Back when I was trolling, people seemed to think that I was more than one person.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski -- modified at 15:54 Sunday 13th November, 2005
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
in all seriousness, who ever has the biggest gun rack has the right of way.
You dont really think that is the way it is here do you? If you threaten someone with a gun in traffic, you are on your way to jail. And, your right of way has nothing to do with your gun rack. America is not some feudal country uncivilized people running around with guns shooting at each other, like people who want to ban guns would like to think.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You dont really think that is the way it is here do you?
Well, every day I'd watch one of the news channels when I was in my hotel. And every day there would be a story about some guy shotting at a gas station, a convienence store, at someone withdrawing money at an ATM or some such thing. In Scotland that kind of stuff only happens maybe once in a blue moon. There are more stories on the news about car crashes in poor weather conditions than gun crime.
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Tim Craig wrote:
I saw something about that on PBS. Maybe not the same thing that Discovery did since the only thing I remember was that it was really pushing what evidence they had. I think even in the conclusions it stated that it was unlikely.
The evidence is fascinating though. The oldest artifacts so far found in North America date from about 17,000 years ago and are found on the east coast, and are identical to artifacts found in France from exactly that same time period, but completely different from those known to have been used in Siberia. Also, at least one eastern woodlands tribe, the Ojibwa (Chippawa), have genetic markers that appear only in European populations. It is also known that a permanent Ice sheet stretched from France to the area of Virginia and would have been rich with sea life at a time when land game in Europe was becoming increasingly scarce.
Tim Craig wrote:
And a lot of scientific hypotheses are thrown out there, I think, with the intent "prove me wrong". They stimulate additional research and thinking. 100 years after being postulated, Einstein's Theory of Relativity is still being tested as is Quantum Mechanics. The day that someone produces clear, repeatable evidence either theory doesn't work in a certain situation will be the end of it as "the" theory. However, that doesn't necessarily signal that the theory is worthless. We've known Newtonian mechanics are "wrong" for 100 years but they're still taught in schools and they're great if you know when to apply them.
I suppose this is an issue where I simply do not trust either side. Certainly I do not want children taught ID as science. On the other hand, I also do not want some over inspired secularists teaching psuedo-science in order to purposefully undermine the faith that parents might otherwise wish to impart to their children. I think the latter probably does more harm to science than the former. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Have you heard the saga of Kennewick man? Here we have a potentially contributing piece of evidence to the early European visitor but it's mire down in a quagmire of religious and ethnic politics.
Stan Shannon wrote:
On the other hand, I also do not want some over inspired secularists teaching psuedo-science in order to purposefully undermine the faith that parents might otherwise wish to impart to their children.
I really don't see this as a rampant problem. I see the opposite as the norm. The religious right in this country and others trying to force their beliefs on others through law and the educational system.
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Have you heard the saga of Kennewick man? Here we have a potentially contributing piece of evidence to the early European visitor but it's mire down in a quagmire of religious and ethnic politics.
Stan Shannon wrote:
On the other hand, I also do not want some over inspired secularists teaching psuedo-science in order to purposefully undermine the faith that parents might otherwise wish to impart to their children.
I really don't see this as a rampant problem. I see the opposite as the norm. The religious right in this country and others trying to force their beliefs on others through law and the educational system.
Tim Craig wrote:
Have you heard the saga of Kennewick man? Here we have a potentially contributing piece of evidence to the early European visitor but it's mire down in a quagmire of religious and ethnic politics.
Kennewick is certainly interesting, but has only anatomical connections to European populations, not cultural ones. I suppose that a European population established on the east coast could have made its way to the west coast area though. Interesting prospect.
Tim Craig wrote:
really don't see this as a rampant problem. I see the opposite as the norm. The religious right in this country and others trying to force their beliefs on others through law and the educational system.
I don't agree with that. I see the current spectre of "right wing christian fundamentalism" to be overplayed. Christianity has always been a very important element of American culture and histrically has done a good job of carrying the values of American civilization forward. Secularism is the philosophy that has been forced on people throughout the last several decades, not vice versa. The current situation is little more than a reaction to that. As someone who promotes a generally secular world view, I am embarrassed by the blatant use of government power to force it on people, and find myself greatly sympathetic to those who are religious. I find it hard to be overly critical of the religious community for feeling threatened by what is clearly an effort to marginalize it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 18:03 Sunday 13th November, 2005
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I'll only give you a partial point for that. "Ragheads Suk" is probably a stealth liberal lamely trying to sound like a "conservative". "Irate Pirate" did not claim to be speaking as a Christian. Mike is the only one who has used the term who also presents his religious beliefs. But his posts clearly indicate he is referring to the terrorists and no one else. So, if thats the best you have, I stand by my statement. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Mike is the only one who has used the term who also presents his religious beliefs. But his posts clearly indicate he is referring to the terrorists and no one else.
I had seen Ed's post earlier and didn't think it worth the time for me to argue the point, iot would gave sounded self serving had I done it. Thanks for recognizing what Ed chose to ignore. He also chose to ignore the portion of the thread where I was called on my statement, which was made out of sheer frustration, and once I recognized what I had done - apologized to all. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Tim Craig wrote:
Have you heard the saga of Kennewick man? Here we have a potentially contributing piece of evidence to the early European visitor but it's mire down in a quagmire of religious and ethnic politics.
Kennewick is certainly interesting, but has only anatomical connections to European populations, not cultural ones. I suppose that a European population established on the east coast could have made its way to the west coast area though. Interesting prospect.
Tim Craig wrote:
really don't see this as a rampant problem. I see the opposite as the norm. The religious right in this country and others trying to force their beliefs on others through law and the educational system.
I don't agree with that. I see the current spectre of "right wing christian fundamentalism" to be overplayed. Christianity has always been a very important element of American culture and histrically has done a good job of carrying the values of American civilization forward. Secularism is the philosophy that has been forced on people throughout the last several decades, not vice versa. The current situation is little more than a reaction to that. As someone who promotes a generally secular world view, I am embarrassed by the blatant use of government power to force it on people, and find myself greatly sympathetic to those who are religious. I find it hard to be overly critical of the religious community for feeling threatened by what is clearly an effort to marginalize it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 18:03 Sunday 13th November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Kennewick is certainly interesting, but has only anatomical connections to European populations, not cultural ones.
Well, we may never know now because any investigation into what the skull represents is buried literally under thousands of tons of rock and political intrigue. Can't let science upset the political status quo.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Secularism is the philosophy that has been forced on people throughout the last several decades,
Christianity seeped into US government over the first 150 or so years of our existence because no one challeneged it. It was the "good old boy we're all Christians and we know it and no one will say anything" philosophy. Finally, there were enough secular people who got tired of their toes being stepped on and said enough which was followed by some significant court cases. (I know your feeling on the courts so don't bother shouting it again but that's what the Supreme Court is for) Also, the US is now becoming much more religiously pluralistic so the conservative Christians are feeling more and more threatened and feel they have to make their views law before it's too late. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Mike is the only one who has used the term who also presents his religious beliefs. But his posts clearly indicate he is referring to the terrorists and no one else.
I had seen Ed's post earlier and didn't think it worth the time for me to argue the point, iot would gave sounded self serving had I done it. Thanks for recognizing what Ed chose to ignore. He also chose to ignore the portion of the thread where I was called on my statement, which was made out of sheer frustration, and once I recognized what I had done - apologized to all. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
What I find so revealing is that these "tolerant liberals" have no problem in leveling blanket condemnations of Christianity on the slightest of pretexts - but god forbid someone hold Islam accountable in precisely the same way for the most monterous examples of human carnage commited in its name. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Cool. It is good to have someone here that thinks the same way. :-D
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
There are several of us here. It is good to see someone as young as you fighting the good fight. (You're still wrong about evolution though) "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 20:24 Sunday 13th November, 2005
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Kennewick is certainly interesting, but has only anatomical connections to European populations, not cultural ones.
Well, we may never know now because any investigation into what the skull represents is buried literally under thousands of tons of rock and political intrigue. Can't let science upset the political status quo.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Secularism is the philosophy that has been forced on people throughout the last several decades,
Christianity seeped into US government over the first 150 or so years of our existence because no one challeneged it. It was the "good old boy we're all Christians and we know it and no one will say anything" philosophy. Finally, there were enough secular people who got tired of their toes being stepped on and said enough which was followed by some significant court cases. (I know your feeling on the courts so don't bother shouting it again but that's what the Supreme Court is for) Also, the US is now becoming much more religiously pluralistic so the conservative Christians are feeling more and more threatened and feel they have to make their views law before it's too late. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote:
Well, we may never know now because any investigation into what the skull represents is buried literally under thousands of tons of rock and political intrigue. Can't let science upset the political status quo.
Yeah, but that's one you can't blame the Christians for! ;P
Tim Craig wrote:
Christianity seeped into US government over the first 150 or so years of our existence because no one challeneged it. It was the "good old boy we're all Christians and we know it and no one will say anything" philosophy. Finally, there were enough secular people who got tired of their toes being stepped on and said enough which was followed by some significant court cases. (I know your feeling on the courts so don't bother shouting it again but that's what the Supreme Court is for) Also, the US is now becoming much more religiously pluralistic so the conservative Christians are feeling more and more threatened and feel they have to make their views law before it's too late.
I really didn't want to get into this, but that is pretty much the point where I completely change sides. I'm sure I am at least as well read on American history as anyone who hangs out on this forum, and I think your analysis couldn't be more absurd. The very foundation of our civilization was built with the bricks and morter of protestant christianity. There were no other people on earth at that time that could have established this country as it now exists. We owe virtually every aspect of our culture to the principles they established here. For nearly 200 years they were the best guardians of our freedoms and liberties that we have ever had. Secularism, on the other hand, has virtually destroyed those principles in a few short decades. BTW (and sorry for shouting) but that is not what the Supreme court is for (unless you just happen to disagree with every thing the country was established to achieve - which most secularists do) and "pluralism" is simply socialistic double speak to rationalize why the secularists must save the country from itself. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 20:21 Sunday 13th November, 2005
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I see your point. That is precisely why i think that the death penalty is absolutely wrong, unless the person is an enemy in a time of war. That may seem weird, because I am a hard-core conservative/libertarian, and most of them support the death penalty. I am opposed to income tax, support legalization of drugs, am stronly opposed to any kind of gun control and support the right to defend yourself. I also feel that any kind of censorship is wrong unless it is relating to threats or things meant to cause harm. Edit: I meant to add that in my original message, I was refering to promoting a particular religion or ideology in school.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski -- modified at 2:21 Sunday 13th November, 2005
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
That may seem weird, because I am a hard-core conservative/libertarian, and most of them support the death penalty. I am opposed to income tax, support legalization of drugs, am stronly opposed to any kind of gun control and support the right to defend yourself. I also feel that any kind of censorship is wrong unless it is relating to threats or things meant to cause harm.
How does it feel to be brain washed? Dont worry. As you grew older you will realise the older you get the less you know.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I know not many people agree with me
Just for the record, I am another that agrees with you. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
Cool. I guess I am not as alone here as I thought.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
That may seem weird, because I am a hard-core conservative/libertarian, and most of them support the death penalty. I am opposed to income tax, support legalization of drugs, am stronly opposed to any kind of gun control and support the right to defend yourself. I also feel that any kind of censorship is wrong unless it is relating to threats or things meant to cause harm.
How does it feel to be brain washed? Dont worry. As you grew older you will realise the older you get the less you know.
Josh Gray wrote:
How does it feel to be brain washed?
You should know.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Josh Gray wrote:
How does it feel to be brain washed?
You should know.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Tim Craig wrote:
Well, we may never know now because any investigation into what the skull represents is buried literally under thousands of tons of rock and political intrigue. Can't let science upset the political status quo.
Yeah, but that's one you can't blame the Christians for! ;P
Tim Craig wrote:
Christianity seeped into US government over the first 150 or so years of our existence because no one challeneged it. It was the "good old boy we're all Christians and we know it and no one will say anything" philosophy. Finally, there were enough secular people who got tired of their toes being stepped on and said enough which was followed by some significant court cases. (I know your feeling on the courts so don't bother shouting it again but that's what the Supreme Court is for) Also, the US is now becoming much more religiously pluralistic so the conservative Christians are feeling more and more threatened and feel they have to make their views law before it's too late.
I really didn't want to get into this, but that is pretty much the point where I completely change sides. I'm sure I am at least as well read on American history as anyone who hangs out on this forum, and I think your analysis couldn't be more absurd. The very foundation of our civilization was built with the bricks and morter of protestant christianity. There were no other people on earth at that time that could have established this country as it now exists. We owe virtually every aspect of our culture to the principles they established here. For nearly 200 years they were the best guardians of our freedoms and liberties that we have ever had. Secularism, on the other hand, has virtually destroyed those principles in a few short decades. BTW (and sorry for shouting) but that is not what the Supreme court is for (unless you just happen to disagree with every thing the country was established to achieve - which most secularists do) and "pluralism" is simply socialistic double speak to rationalize why the secularists must save the country from itself. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 20:21 Sunday 13th November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
The very foundation of our civilization was built with the bricks and morter of protestant christianity.
Well, no sect of christianity seems to be able to tollerate the other very well. The only thing that saved this country was that the nonestablishment clause guaranteed that none of them would get the upper hand and they bought into the truce. The fact that christianity, in general, got the nod and wink by government is now biting everyone in the ass. Just because at the time the founding fathers didn't forsee many differing religions here and put it into the constitution as you can pick the form of christianity you want to believe but everyone else can just go to hell and we'll help you start your journey doesn't mean that they made a mistake by the modern interpretation. It's just like your problem with affirmative action. When does it end? Does christianity always get favored treatment in the US or does it have to share with other views? At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You should know.
Ill keep it at your level. I know you are but what am I?
Josh Gray wrote:
what am I?
A human being.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Josh Gray wrote:
what am I?
A human being.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Thanks, another line for my sig. Why do you liberals always personally attack people when you disagree with them?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Thanks, another line for my sig. Why do you liberals always personally attack people when you disagree with them?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Thanks, another line for my sig.
Im flattered.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Why do you liberals always personally attack people when you disagree with them?
Who said I am a liberal? What defines a liberal? Do you think the whole world fits into two categories?
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Who's this God you speak of? The real truth can be found here. The space ship is leaving at 10 tonight, be there or be square. "When you know you're going to eat crow, it's best to eat it while it's still warm." - Reader's Digest
Jack Squirrel wrote:
Who's this God you speak of? The real truth can be found here.
i wonder who has comeup with this theory,either by a believer or an aethist,if a believer then its old thing,if by an aethist then its intresting.. regardless of above,the theory actually promotes yet another religon MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Who's this God you speak of? The real truth can be found here. The space ship is leaving at 10 tonight, be there or be square. "When you know you're going to eat crow, it's best to eat it while it's still warm." - Reader's Digest
Jack Squirrel wrote:
Who's this God you speak of? The real truth can be found here.
form the above mentioned website For example, in Genesis, the Biblical account of Creation, the word "Elohim" has been mistranslated as the singular word "God", but it is actually a plural word which means "those who came from the sky", and the singular is "Eloha" (also known as "Allah"). does the site owner not trying to say that Christianity is actually worshiping of several gods?is it not against the teachings of bible? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan