I became father again!
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility.
So you express a lot of hot air. That doesnt that suprise me. You havent changed the fact it is being taught in your schools so according to your logic it is your fault and you are a failure.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it :rolleyes:
Josh Gray wrote:
So you express a lot of hot air
Bullshit. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Josh Gray wrote:
disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it
More bullshit. We saved the fucking planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
So you express a lot of hot air
Bullshit. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Josh Gray wrote:
disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it
More bullshit. We saved the fucking planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
bull****. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Ahh so it has to be your comunity. Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a shit what you guys teach your kids.
Stan Shannon wrote:
We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism
Rubbish. The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Stan Shannon wrote:
More bull****. We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash.
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
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Stan Shannon wrote:
bull****. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Ahh so it has to be your comunity. Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a shit what you guys teach your kids.
Stan Shannon wrote:
We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism
Rubbish. The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Stan Shannon wrote:
More bull****. We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash.
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
Josh Gray wrote:
Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a sh*t what you guys teach your kids.
It remains an issue of responsibility. You either assume it or you don't.
Josh Gray wrote:
The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Thats insane. Germany had Europe in the palm of its hand. Neither the Soviets or the Brits could have held out for a month without all the material the US was providing from a very early date. You can't blame the American people for being initially reluctant for getting involved in yet another European fiasco. I mean, crap, we Americans are descended from those who escaped the farce that passes for European politics in the first place and than have to go back and sacrifice generation after generation to save these same assholes from themselves. And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia for a Japanese invasion that would have easily led to the conquest of your entire hapless little continent.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
Well there's gratitude for ya. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a sh*t what you guys teach your kids.
It remains an issue of responsibility. You either assume it or you don't.
Josh Gray wrote:
The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Thats insane. Germany had Europe in the palm of its hand. Neither the Soviets or the Brits could have held out for a month without all the material the US was providing from a very early date. You can't blame the American people for being initially reluctant for getting involved in yet another European fiasco. I mean, crap, we Americans are descended from those who escaped the farce that passes for European politics in the first place and than have to go back and sacrifice generation after generation to save these same assholes from themselves. And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia for a Japanese invasion that would have easily led to the conquest of your entire hapless little continent.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
Well there's gratitude for ya. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
the farce that passes for European politics
Hey your president bought his first term and then you fucking dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your entire hapless little continent
At least we dont have to share ours
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Stan Shannon wrote:
the farce that passes for European politics
Hey your president bought his first term and then you fucking dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your entire hapless little continent
At least we dont have to share ours
Josh Gray wrote:
Hey your president bought his first term and then you f***ing dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Shit, the greatest European politicians in history make George look like... well, like a great non-european politician of some kind.
Josh Gray wrote:
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
I actually had an uncle that fought in New Guinea. But it was kind of a sideshow for us. In any case, New Guinea would have been a moot point if we happened stopped the Jap navy for you.
Josh Gray wrote:
At least we dont have to share ours
Who the hell would want to? :laugh: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Hey your president bought his first term and then you f***ing dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Shit, the greatest European politicians in history make George look like... well, like a great non-european politician of some kind.
Josh Gray wrote:
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
I actually had an uncle that fought in New Guinea. But it was kind of a sideshow for us. In any case, New Guinea would have been a moot point if we happened stopped the Jap navy for you.
Josh Gray wrote:
At least we dont have to share ours
Who the hell would want to? :laugh: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Who the hell would want to?
Not you thank God but the Japanese seemed to have some interest acording to you. I wish there was a smily for giving you the finger. And I still say you're an arse hole. I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child. I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US. When I was living in Europe it was amazing the way people would treat me once they know I was Asutralian and not British or American. I am and always will be proud to be an Aussie and proud of what our armed forces have achieved. You guys should have a look at what we did in East Timor.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Who the hell would want to?
Not you thank God but the Japanese seemed to have some interest acording to you. I wish there was a smily for giving you the finger. And I still say you're an arse hole. I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child. I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US. When I was living in Europe it was amazing the way people would treat me once they know I was Asutralian and not British or American. I am and always will be proud to be an Aussie and proud of what our armed forces have achieved. You guys should have a look at what we did in East Timor.
Josh Gray wrote:
I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child.
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
Josh Gray wrote:
I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US.
And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child.
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
Josh Gray wrote:
I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US.
And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
You poor ignorant bigoted little man And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. So why dont you fucking stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Wonderful! Now you have a spare just in case this Allah guy needs an extra suicide bomber to blow up some infidels.
You are an arse hole Stan.
I wish I could give you two 5s. One for the content, and one for spelling the word 'arse' right. :-D Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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What exactly did I say that was so bad? The guy comes in here thanking the same God for his children that so many other people's children are being killed in the name of. I think it is not only justified but it is essential to constantly remind Muslims of that. And I intend to rub their faces in it at every goddamned opportunity I get. Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools. It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine. I am entirely consistent in my posts. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Well, hell,that just makes all the difference. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
You poor ignorant bigoted little man And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. So why dont you fucking stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
Josh Gray wrote:
So why dont you f***ing stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
Because the rest of you fuckers don't seem to be as competent at keeping your lunatics under control as we are. Once we have you all properly trained, we will return to our quaint little Jeffersonian Republic. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
So why dont you f***ing stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
Because the rest of you fuckers don't seem to be as competent at keeping your lunatics under control as we are. Once we have you all properly trained, we will return to our quaint little Jeffersonian Republic. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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I've seen insensitivity from you before, but this time you've hit a new low, and one that makes me feel physically sick. I'm glad we've never met, and probably never will. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Ummmm... you didn't answer his question. You of all women should be as sensitive to female oppression unde Islam as anyone. Be angry at Stan if you want, but don't discount his opinions out of hand. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
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Ummmm... you didn't answer his question. You of all women should be as sensitive to female oppression unde Islam as anyone. Be angry at Stan if you want, but don't discount his opinions out of hand. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Actually, I did...but I obviously didn't check it had been posted and not 500'd before tabbing away. :doh: For the record I'll say it again. I condemn all oppression and discrimination, along with all regimes and social structures which allow such injustice to propagate. That includes not only many Islamic nations (Iran and Saudi Arabia are notably high on my shit list), but also many others in the world (including some Western nations, in case you are wondering). That said, I would never let that detract from the joy any parent must feel at the arrival of a child, regardless of where they live. That is why I condemned what Stan posted - his remarks were at best tactless and arrogant. How the fuck could anyone not wish a happy parent well on the birth of their child? Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Actually, I did...but I obviously didn't check it had been posted and not 500'd before tabbing away. :doh: For the record I'll say it again. I condemn all oppression and discrimination, along with all regimes and social structures which allow such injustice to propagate. That includes not only many Islamic nations (Iran and Saudi Arabia are notably high on my shit list), but also many others in the world (including some Western nations, in case you are wondering). That said, I would never let that detract from the joy any parent must feel at the arrival of a child, regardless of where they live. That is why I condemned what Stan posted - his remarks were at best tactless and arrogant. How the fuck could anyone not wish a happy parent well on the birth of their child? Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
How the f*** could anyone not wish a happy parent well on the birth of their child?
Because I believe he was using the birth of a child as an excuse to fling his religion around thats why. I think his religion is probably far more important to him than his children. I think he was being grossly and purposefully insensitive as well as overtly confrontational by invoking the name of a diety that so many other people's children have been killed for. I grew up in the bible belt, I know a religious fanatic when I hear one. and, while I might be insensitive, at least I know when I'm being slapped in the face. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
How the f*** could anyone not wish a happy parent well on the birth of their child?
Because I believe he was using the birth of a child as an excuse to fling his religion around thats why. I think his religion is probably far more important to him than his children. I think he was being grossly and purposefully insensitive as well as overtly confrontational by invoking the name of a diety that so many other people's children have been killed for. I grew up in the bible belt, I know a religious fanatic when I hear one. and, while I might be insensitive, at least I know when I'm being slapped in the face. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Congratulations! You've just won the prize for the biggest load of bullshit I've heard this week. Is it an aquired skill, or were you born with it? :omg: You're wrong Stan. Change "Allah" to "God" and you have a phrase you'll hear in any Evangelical Christian Church every Sunday. I also remember many sermons in one such Church in which we were told our first love must be God, and everything and everyone else (even our closeest families) must come second to that. By your definition those people were fanatics - something they quite plainly were not! Life is not black and white, no matter how much you seem to want it to be. :rose: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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K(arl) wrote:
Have you any proof Mr Riazi act violently because of his religion or do you consider any muslim responsible for the actions of some muslim fanatics?
The fact that he invokes the name of Allah is all the proof that I need. He voluntarily associates himself with a religion that is used as a pretext for murder and bloodshed all over this planet, with absolutely no attempt to disassociated himself from those who do that. None of us, including you (hell,especially you) would let a Christian get away with that. I hold him responsible for what others do in the name of the religion he claims membership in, precisely as I would any Christian. I do not believe that "moderation" is ever an appropriate response to fanaticism. Anyone who remains moderate in the face of fanaticism is nothing but a coward - at best. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
The fact that he invokes the name of Allah is all the proof that I need
well I have seen in english movies in which chicks call "JESUS CHRIST" while making love with guys! whatkind of voluntarily associates is it?;) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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jonathan15 wrote:
Guy is happy t obe a father again - Stan insults him on his religion. Yea, Really f***ing funny.
Reply 1: He's the one that posted the happy tidings in the soap box. Reply 2: His religion is a joke and deserves to be insulted. Reply 3: Multiculturalism (ie "Tolerance for all beliefs that are not Christian") also deserves to be insulted and at every possible opportunity. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 9:22 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
His religion is a joke and deserves to be insulted.
Every religion is a joke, but most of us are equipped with the brainwiring that tells us when it's not appropriate to point out things like that. "God doesn't play dice" - Albert Einstein "God not only plays dice, He sometimes throws the dices where they cannot be seen" - Niels Bohr
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
shitty thing to say to a guy who has just become a father...
... of a girl who will never know a moment of freedom in her entire life. Oh, what a joyous occassion! Lets all be happy. X| "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Amen. The world needs more people like you.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray