Islamists demand Bangladeshi women wear veil
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything? Thanks MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Let's assume an Indian walked out of the house naked. Would she Indian authorities put her to death for it? I doubt it, not sure, but I doubt it. That's what's putting these guys over the top. They want to kill people for not dressing properly. That's fucked up! Why don't they simply protest? Why the killing? BW
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
Good, then why can't they (The musilum community) control these nuts who want to force everone to conform to shria law. I have no problem whith any religion, as long as they are not messing with anyone else. And anytime anytime anyone else points it out, they are called "hate mongers". Not true, they just want these nuts to cut it out, live and let live.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good.
According to what I read and documentries I've seen it is a real problem currently affecting hundreds of millions.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
purdah/burkah system etc should be banished. Not just in India, but everywhere!
I am not sure what you mean by system, but if you are talking about the hijab it isn't going anywhere. Muslim women in many parts of the world have shown even if they are barred from education, thrown out of jobs, etc they will keep to their principles.
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A.A. wrote:
According to what I read and documentries I've seen it is a real problem currently affecting hundreds of millions.
If your sources were Pakistan media, chances are good that the facts were severely distorted. In my state, Kerala, one of the most flourishing communities (statistically) belong to what was once a backward caste. But yes, in Northern India, caste issues still exist, though most of it is money-related. If you have money, no one gives a shit about your caste.
A.A. wrote:
Muslim women in many parts of the world have shown even if they are barred from education, thrown out of jobs, etc they will keep to their principles.
In Kerala, we have a few Muslim woman revolutionaries though - some of them want some of these gender discriminatory practices abolished. Different regions - different women I suppose. Anyway, my base point is that there are still a good number of women who want to escape these shackles but are unable to. Those women need to be rescued.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
If your sources were Pakistan media, chances are good that the facts were severely distorted.
Actually it was American media, I don't know Urdu...
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
chances are good that the facts were severely distorted
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But yes, in Northern India, caste issues still exist, though most of it is money-related. If you have money, no one gives a sh*t about your caste.
Probably because they can move to a better place; though what was shown for example is that women of a certain caste has to walk out side bare foot.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Anyway, my base point is that there are still a good number of women who want to escape these shackles but are unable to. Those women need to be rescued
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
If your sources were Pakistan media, chances are good that the facts were severely distorted.
Actually it was American media, I don't know Urdu...
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
chances are good that the facts were severely distorted
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But yes, in Northern India, caste issues still exist, though most of it is money-related. If you have money, no one gives a sh*t about your caste.
Probably because they can move to a better place; though what was shown for example is that women of a certain caste has to walk out side bare foot.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Anyway, my base point is that there are still a good number of women who want to escape these shackles but are unable to. Those women need to be rescued
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
A.A. wrote:
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
I am not talking about those who want to wear it. The main issue discussed in this thread is that a Bangladeshi terrorist organization has announced that they will kill any woman who dares to go out unveiled. So, there are woman who want to do so, and they should be protected.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
May I know your country of origin?
Suffice it to say that several generations back I come from regions of the world that would be considered secular. Life here made it such that I had to decide wheather I believed in Islam or not; and in Islam a strong belief comes from knowledge I had to go around learning what it is. The benefit though of learning Islam here is that I was freed from alot of the culture norms that is attributed to the religion by alot of people.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Because I find it hard to believe that a North American would have some of the slightly extreme views you've expressed in the last few posts.
I am not sure which extreme views you are refering to but the vast majority Muslims[I am sure you can find a few exceptions] in the world realize the hijab is a religious obligation. As for origin, I have friends who can trace there origins back a couple of hundred years that will tell you the same thing; it has nothing to do with origin.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
[edit]This question is out of curiosity than out of any offensive intent[/edit]
None taken. :)
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A.A. wrote:
None taken.
Cool :-)
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What a band of wackos. No wonder they are banned.
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K(arl) wrote:
No wonder they are banned.
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
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K(arl) wrote:
No wonder they are banned.
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
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A.A. wrote:
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
A.A. wrote:
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
I am not talking about those who want to wear it. The main issue discussed in this thread is that a Bangladeshi terrorist organization has announced that they will kill any woman who dares to go out unveiled. So, there are woman who want to do so, and they should be protected.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
Someone should tell these guys[^]
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bangladeshi terrorist organization
If the issue is some obscure organization, this is a discussion I am not interested in. Rather I was pointing out the generalization that results from these discussions. Probably last post on this thread for me.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
Someone should tell these guys[^]
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bangladeshi terrorist organization
If the issue is some obscure organization, this is a discussion I am not interested in. Rather I was pointing out the generalization that results from these discussions. Probably last post on this thread for me.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
Someone should tell these guys[^]
Surprising how the Indian Govt is not suing these guys for gross exaggerations!
A.A. wrote:
Probably last post on this thread for me.
Alright, have a good weekend then :-)
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K(arl) wrote:
No wonder they are banned.
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
I think that the best way to protect the women is to allow them to carry handguns.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
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A banned Islamist militant group blamed for a series of bombings in Bangladesh has threatened to kill women, including non-Muslims, if they do not wear the veil, a statement said The group, which wants the introduction of sharia laws in mainly-Muslim Bangladesh, also ordered women students at Dhaka University not to step out after sunset, prompting police to increase security around the campus. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
A banned Islamist militant group blamed for a series of bombings in Bangladesh has threatened to kill women, including non-Muslims, if they do not wear the veil, a statement said
Wearing a headscarf is a personal thing that has no impact on society. A person who acts against a supposed command of God should anger God alone and not other human beings. Fellow human beings (i.e. society) can only interfere where the individual's actions harm others. So what right does another human being have to act as God's proxy and mete out punishment ? That, in the context of the same religious beliefs, is the highest form of blasphemy.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
I think that the best way to protect the women is to allow them to carry handguns.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Yes, let's escalate the violence, shall we? If the women were to carry guns, the men would start carrying automatic rifles. I don't object to owning a gun. I own one myself. I use it in a "zen" sense, to strive to better myself at something. In my case aiming, focus and concentration. Sometimes I enjoy myself by shooting at beer cans, old flat screen monitors, and whatnot. Using it for "protection" is just a very bad idea in my opinion. Whomever you are protecting yourself from, will arm themselves better than you and/or shoot without hesitation. -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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All I did was link an article, where people hate and tries to force them to do thinks they dont want. That makes me the hater?? nice
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
he`s ignored and his remarks are not credible due to promoting haterd amongh cultures and religions
:laugh: ... or because he believes in freely tweaking the noses of the political correct zealots and true believers. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Reverend Satan wrote:
.. or because he believes in freely tweaking the noses of the political correct zealots and true believers
No! I think he would make an excellent Muslim. :omg::omg: I made a politically incorrect statement ;P
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything?
Hello Adnan, There's a difference between wearing clothes and putting a shawl around your face. I am not saying it's a bad thing if the person enjoys doing it. But there are women who do not want to wear the facial shawl. Which is why this specific Bangladeshi group says it'll kill such women. That, is simply not right. No woman should be told that she would die if she didn't wear the facial shawl. Nish p.s. Your name reminds me of that singer with the same first name, Adnan Sami, don't know if he's Indian or Pakistani :-)
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Hello Adnan, There's a difference between wearing clothes and putting a shawl around your face. I am not saying it's a bad thing if the person enjoys doing it. But there are women who do not want to wear the facial shawl. Which is why this specific Bangladeshi group says it'll kill such women. That, is simply not right. No woman should be told that she would die if she didn't wear the facial shawl.
Nish,you didn`t get my point Bro!you can`t generalise on basis of one example?is it sane?offcourse not.. let me repeat,Hijab don`t cover Face Covering at all..so kindly dont give example of covering face,yet my personal opinion is that covering of Face makes them secure more than not being covered...its the fact that a man is mostly attracted due to face,figure comes later and whole concept of Hijab is to wear lose clothes so that a woman`s figure don`t get exposed..what`s wrong in it?i believe sub continent countries dont like their mothers and sisters to wear skirts,i havnt not been personally in most part of India but through Movies and a trip to kanpur(my dad`s birth place), i got the idea that Indian woman(A true Indian Woman) NEVER likes to unviel their bodies..A woman is a respectable icon..much respectable than a man itself...do you ever wonder why a pearl is covered in a shell?why jewllers put gold and dimonds in case with more care...Woman is not lesser than a pearl and Dimond in our society(eastern),A mother is like Bhagwan(for Hindus) and a Way to go paradise(for Muslims),when such thinking is in mind...even i am not a muslim but believe in above mentioned faith..i woudnt like to see her in sucha way which makes her offended by others(Staring by others)..i would prefer to give as much as protection to my pearl/dimond.. same concept Islam had brought..same concept brought by Hinduism thousands of years back,same thing brought by Christianity and Judaism.. You would be surprised that Hindu books discusses about vieling..which is not followed by hindu women..but its mentioned in books giving example of B`desi groups..so extreemiss are everywhere,so are in Hindustian and Hindu religion, like this guy[^] from RSS ,an Indian extreemist group who destructed Babri Mosque, preachin Hindu women to produce as much baby