And now Uk
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
A scheme for combatting speeding was abandoned in france for exactly that reason.
Particularly important are associated vehicles," Mr Whiteley said. The term "associated vehicles" means analysing convoys of cars, vans or trucks to see who is driving alongside a vehicle that is already known to be of interest to the police. Criminals, for instance, will drive somewhere in a lawful vehicle, steal a car and then drive back in convoy to commit further crimes "You're not necessarily interested in the stolen vehicle. You're interested in what's moving with the stolen vehicle," Mr Whiteley explained.
Great, so getting tailgated by a suspect will get me a visit from the filth. The fact they didn't even have to pass any legislation to put this through is sickening (as they know there is no way in hell it would have got through the house of lords).
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
So I'll just use public transport...
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
Bloody Hell! How can such a liberticide decision be taken without the agreement of the People's representatives? Anyway, I think such a measure could be legally defeated in front of the European Court of Justice.
"This development forms the basis of a 24/7 vehicle movement database that will revolutionise arrest, intelligence and crime investigation opportunities on a national basis"In a near future, policemen will justify the implantation of a tracking device under everybody's skin the same way. Slowly we are becoming a bunch of sissys afraid of our own shadow.
Tiefe Wasser sind nicht still Fold with us! ยค flickr
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
I have no issue with this[^] decision
Then you haven't fully understood the ramifications of it then.
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
Looks like bad news for the get away driver profession. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
I have no issue with this[^] decision
Then you haven't fully understood the ramifications of it then.
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those who now know your travels might not be angels. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Bob Flynn wrote:
What is the downside?
Precisely that your travels are monitored, and hence you lose your anonymity. (Hell, doesn't the US have a constitutional amendment about this sort of thing?) Although being in the US, you probably didn't hear about the DVLA in the UK selling drivers details to criminal gangs. Or the security breaches in the Department for Work and Pensions. Or that if the National Identity Register comes in, peoples personal details will be sold to companies to help pay for the system. Excessive data collected on an individual is an increased security risk for that individual, plain and simple. This data is excessive and disproportionate. If you support this, you support undermining your own security, your own liberty, and paying the government to spy on you.
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I have no issue with this[^] decision,the only issue i could have that husbands would feel difficulty to go out with their *hidden* girl friends,since they would monitor everything,will they catch the love making scenes in car too? ;P MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 6:16 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
I have no issue with this[^] decision
The majority of people think otherwise. Apparently, you're not very concerned about freedom or privacy. :| Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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I'm all for a surveilance society, with the proviso that _everybody_ has access to the information, and can find out who has accessed theirs. As is, the only people that will not be subject to monitoring will be the people doing it. Think you average citizen will be able to get any information about the pin dick from the council or local wheel clamping firm who is trying to dig up dirt on them? think again.
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Bob Flynn wrote:
What is the downside?
Precisely that your travels are monitored, and hence you lose your anonymity. (Hell, doesn't the US have a constitutional amendment about this sort of thing?) Although being in the US, you probably didn't hear about the DVLA in the UK selling drivers details to criminal gangs. Or the security breaches in the Department for Work and Pensions. Or that if the National Identity Register comes in, peoples personal details will be sold to companies to help pay for the system. Excessive data collected on an individual is an increased security risk for that individual, plain and simple. This data is excessive and disproportionate. If you support this, you support undermining your own security, your own liberty, and paying the government to spy on you.
Ian Darling wrote:
doesn't the US have a constitutional amendment about this sort of thing?)
unfortunately, no. there is no explict guarantee of privacy. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
I have no issue with this[^] decision
The majority of people think otherwise. Apparently, you're not very concerned about freedom or privacy. :| Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The majority of people think otherwise
I dont give a damn to those people who don`t even know me,everyone have right to give his own opinion, BTW i know who are those ppl;)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
you're not very concerned about freedom or privacy
Duh,who gives a damn what you think or not,i remember you once made a comment that you noticed tight trousers of Irfan pathan,so better you come out state of Gayism then criticise on others MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 11:13 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
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Ian Darling wrote:
doesn't the US have a constitutional amendment about this sort of thing?)
unfortunately, no. there is no explict guarantee of privacy. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
unfortunately, no. there is no explict guarantee of privacy.
Oh well. I thought there was this thing about anonymity in travel in there somewhere. What I was probably remembering was Gilmore's thing - anonymity in travel could be considered a 4th Amendment thing. Gilmore argued that an ID check for internal air-flight was tantamount to not being "secure in their...papers...against unreasonable searches", etc. Some people also suggest the 1st Amendment supports anonymous travel too. Not that that helps us in Blighty at all :sigh:
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The majority of people think otherwise
I dont give a damn to those people who don`t even know me,everyone have right to give his own opinion, BTW i know who are those ppl;)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
you're not very concerned about freedom or privacy
Duh,who gives a damn what you think or not,i remember you once made a comment that you noticed tight trousers of Irfan pathan,so better you come out state of Gayism then criticise on others MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 11:13 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i remember you once made a comment that you noticed tight trousers of Irfan pathan,so better you come out state of Gayism
:omg:
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The majority of people think otherwise
I dont give a damn to those people who don`t even know me,everyone have right to give his own opinion, BTW i know who are those ppl;)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
you're not very concerned about freedom or privacy
Duh,who gives a damn what you think or not,i remember you once made a comment that you noticed tight trousers of Irfan pathan,so better you come out state of Gayism then criticise on others MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 11:13 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The majority of people think otherwise
I dont give a damn to those people who don`t even know me,everyone have right to give his own opinion, BTW i know who are those ppl;)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
you're not very concerned about freedom or privacy
Duh,who gives a damn what you think or not,i remember you once made a comment that you noticed tight trousers of Irfan pathan,so better you come out state of Gayism then criticise on others MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan -- modified at 11:13 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
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Bob Flynn wrote:
What is the downside?
Precisely that your travels are monitored, and hence you lose your anonymity. (Hell, doesn't the US have a constitutional amendment about this sort of thing?) Although being in the US, you probably didn't hear about the DVLA in the UK selling drivers details to criminal gangs. Or the security breaches in the Department for Work and Pensions. Or that if the National Identity Register comes in, peoples personal details will be sold to companies to help pay for the system. Excessive data collected on an individual is an increased security risk for that individual, plain and simple. This data is excessive and disproportionate. If you support this, you support undermining your own security, your own liberty, and paying the government to spy on you.
Does one actually have an expectation of privacy when traveling on a public roadway? (I mean, the fact that you are own on the roadway, not the contents of your vehicle, etc, which obviously would imply an expectation of privacy. ). Obviously, the fact that you are on the roadway is already public knowledge. Police already monitor us with radars. I'm not so sure that this represents a huge leap beyond that. I'm not even sure I think there should be an expectation of privacy when useing telephones, etc. If I yell across the street to my neighbor, is that a private coversation? How would that be any different than if I called him on the phone? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 11:25 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
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Chris Losinger wrote:
unfortunately, no. there is no explict guarantee of privacy.
Oh well. I thought there was this thing about anonymity in travel in there somewhere. What I was probably remembering was Gilmore's thing - anonymity in travel could be considered a 4th Amendment thing. Gilmore argued that an ID check for internal air-flight was tantamount to not being "secure in their...papers...against unreasonable searches", etc. Some people also suggest the 1st Amendment supports anonymous travel too. Not that that helps us in Blighty at all :sigh:
Ian Darling wrote:
Gilmore argued that an ID check for internal air-flight was tantamount to not being "secure in their...papers...against unreasonable searches", etc.
yep. Gilmore's a good example. there's a lot of resistance to the government's apparent claim that it should be entitled[^] to know everything about everyone, all the time, everywhere. but, there are people (a.k.a. "conservatives") who think that insisting we should be allowed a modicum of privacy is anti-American and pro-terrorist. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Does one actually have an expectation of privacy when traveling on a public roadway? (I mean, the fact that you are own on the roadway, not the contents of your vehicle, etc, which obviously would imply an expectation of privacy. ). Obviously, the fact that you are on the roadway is already public knowledge. Police already monitor us with radars. I'm not so sure that this represents a huge leap beyond that. I'm not even sure I think there should be an expectation of privacy when useing telephones, etc. If I yell across the street to my neighbor, is that a private coversation? How would that be any different than if I called him on the phone? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 11:25 Thursday 22nd December, 2005
Stanta Claws wrote:
Does one actually have an expectation of privacy when traveling on a public roadway? (I mean, the fact that you are own the roadway, not the contents of your vehicle, etc, which obviously would imply an expectation of privacy. ). Obviously, the fact that you are on the roadway is already public knowledge. Police already monitor us with radars. I'm not so sure that this represents a huge leap beyond that.
Anonymity is the key here. What do you mean by "public knowledge"? That your neighbours saw you leave your driveway? Big difference between that (which is unavoidable anyway, but usually insignificant) and the government storing your exact routes for every journey you make for two years on the off-chance it might be useful. Oh, and speed cameras only make records of what the vehicle is when you break the speed limits, and those radar gun things don't always even do that - they might rely on police discretion to pull someone over. So it's a bloody great huge leap.
Stanta Claws wrote:
I'm not even sure I think there should be an expectation of privacy when useing telephones, etc. If I yell across the street to my neighbor, is that a private coversation? How would that be any different than if I called him on the phone?
You mean other than being in your own homes when on the phone, and there is an expectation of privacy in your own home. Add in that we use telephones for a lot of private business (both in the personal sense and the commercial sense), and I would think most people would expect privacy in communications. If you want to shout your business plans or doctors appointments across the street though, be my guest :rolleyes: