What is a terrorist?
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K(arl) wrote: My point is you can't judge somebody on his/her religion/color/country because some nuts belonging to the same category are vicious bastards. Yes you can, and quite justifiably. If I belong to an organization, and elements of that organization are actively participating in acts that I claim violate the principles of my organization, it is not sufficient for me to point at a piece of paper upon which is inscribed those principles and to thereby proclaim myself morally absolved from the behavior of others. If I am not actively seeking to free my organization from those who are violating the very tenents the organization exists to promote, than I cannot be considered to be morally neutral. I am, at best, a moral coward and as blameworthy as those who violate my principles, because those principles are meaningless if they only exist on a sheet of paper that I can quote to you from. For example, as a US citizen, I currently have the choice of supporting the current administration's position or opposing it. If you find fault with that administrations behavior you are perfectly justified in holding me culpable for its behavior if I am not actively opposing it. In fact, you are far more than justified in doing so, you are morally obligated to do so. Else, your morality means nothing. (And, I suspect, you will have little problem in doing so when it comes to judgeing the US.) In exactly the same way, we are not merely justified in holding Islam itself to account for the behavior of a 'few' terrorist who kill in its name, we are irrefutably required by the very tenents or our professed codes of moral ethics to do so. Islam is the sum of its parts, and those parts which do in fact reject terrorism should not be allowed to hide behind the Koran and proclaim that they are parts worthy of consideration - they are not. In all such situations it is not the few 'vicious bastards' who are the problem, they can be dealth with quite easily. It is the hoards of moral cowards who represent the real problem. If you wish to hold Islam to a lower standard than you hold your own culture, that is your business - I won't. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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K(arl) wrote: My point is you can't judge somebody on his/her religion/color/country because some nuts belonging to the same category are vicious bastards. Yes you can, and quite justifiably. If I belong to an organization, and elements of that organization are actively participating in acts that I claim violate the principles of my organization, it is not sufficient for me to point at a piece of paper upon which is inscribed those principles and to thereby proclaim myself morally absolved from the behavior of others. If I am not actively seeking to free my organization from those who are violating the very tenents the organization exists to promote, than I cannot be considered to be morally neutral. I am, at best, a moral coward and as blameworthy as those who violate my principles, because those principles are meaningless if they only exist on a sheet of paper that I can quote to you from. For example, as a US citizen, I currently have the choice of supporting the current administration's position or opposing it. If you find fault with that administrations behavior you are perfectly justified in holding me culpable for its behavior if I am not actively opposing it. In fact, you are far more than justified in doing so, you are morally obligated to do so. Else, your morality means nothing. (And, I suspect, you will have little problem in doing so when it comes to judgeing the US.) In exactly the same way, we are not merely justified in holding Islam itself to account for the behavior of a 'few' terrorist who kill in its name, we are irrefutably required by the very tenents or our professed codes of moral ethics to do so. Islam is the sum of its parts, and those parts which do in fact reject terrorism should not be allowed to hide behind the Koran and proclaim that they are parts worthy of consideration - they are not. In all such situations it is not the few 'vicious bastards' who are the problem, they can be dealth with quite easily. It is the hoards of moral cowards who represent the real problem. If you wish to hold Islam to a lower standard than you hold your own culture, that is your business - I won't. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Hypocritical Fascist tripe. This argument for collective responsibility is the same argument as the terrorists used to justify attacking the World Trade Center --- for in fact erasing the distinction between civilian and non-civilian casualties. It is not surprising that some members of the American Right should, after appropriate substitutions, have the same perspective on this as Muslim extremists; the mindset is similar in many ways. It is also not surprising that the hypocrisy of the argument should be completely lost on those supporting it. After all, the same people support an idiot for President. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
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Several of the "terrorist" threads below sent googling along... I stumbled upon this[^] site thinking it was satire. Man, was I wrong! This is what a terrorist is; this is what terrorists do. WARNING -- Graphic Material Do not follow these links if you have a weak stomach! [Edit]Offensive links removed[\Edit] Thank you David for the well deserved realignment with civility! :)
Paul Lyons, CCPL
Certified Code Project LurkerThis site does not list even a single terrorist organization:mad:, for example: 1. United States of America 2. United Nations 3. NATO 4. Israel 5. Britian 6. Australia 7. FBI 8. Mossad 9. M16 10. RAW 11. CIA 12. DOD USA and great terrorist leaders::mad: 1. Arial Sheron 2. George Walker Bush 3. Tony Blair 4. John Howard 5. Koffi Anon 6. Rumsfeld 7. Collin Powel 8. Tomy Frank and many thousand bastards from America, Europe, Australia, Israel and India:mad:
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This site does not list even a single terrorist organization:mad:, for example: 1. United States of America 2. United Nations 3. NATO 4. Israel 5. Britian 6. Australia 7. FBI 8. Mossad 9. M16 10. RAW 11. CIA 12. DOD USA and great terrorist leaders::mad: 1. Arial Sheron 2. George Walker Bush 3. Tony Blair 4. John Howard 5. Koffi Anon 6. Rumsfeld 7. Collin Powel 8. Tomy Frank and many thousand bastards from America, Europe, Australia, Israel and India:mad:
Perhaps next time you post you'll have the balls to actually log in!
Paul Lyons, CCPL
Certified Code Project Lurker