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    Doug Goulden
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    Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk Notice which group is the most intolerant[^] :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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      Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk Notice which group is the most intolerant[^] :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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      I doubt it can be considered as statistically valid :rolleyes: Look at the pictures, when he's wearing the Kerry-Edwards shirt, he looks like a poor lost puppy, who would be angry against such a guy? But when he wears the other shirt, he has the head of a nasty bastard, or a serial-killer. No wonder he was then rejected :rolleyes: Joking aside, are the places he decribes in the "Blue" section more or less populated that the ones of the "Red" one? Also, did anyone make the same test, let's say in Texas (and being still alive to talk about it :-D) ?


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        I doubt it can be considered as statistically valid :rolleyes: Look at the pictures, when he's wearing the Kerry-Edwards shirt, he looks like a poor lost puppy, who would be angry against such a guy? But when he wears the other shirt, he has the head of a nasty bastard, or a serial-killer. No wonder he was then rejected :rolleyes: Joking aside, are the places he decribes in the "Blue" section more or less populated that the ones of the "Red" one? Also, did anyone make the same test, let's say in Texas (and being still alive to talk about it :-D) ?


        Fold With Us! "A leader is a man who can adapt principles to circumstances - Georges S. Patton, 1885–1945"

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        Doug Goulden
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        K(arl) wrote: Joking aside, are the places he decribes in the "Blue" section more or less populated that the ones of the "Red" one? Also, did anyone make the same test, let's say in Texas (and being still alive to talk about it ) ? I think its a safe bet that the area where he wore the Bush T shirt was probably more populated. But I doubt that someone wearing a Kerry T shirt would be singled out with the same level of distaste that he recieved for the Bush shirt. It seems like people have a lot stronger reaction (at least from the media I see) to Bush than to Kerry. People may not like Kerry, however, he doesn't seem to get the same level of disgust as Bush recieves from the more liberal elements of our country. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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          Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk Notice which group is the most intolerant[^] :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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          Alvaro Mendez
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          Apples vs oranges? - Three paragraphs talking about the Kerry shirt; eight with the Bush shirt. :suss: - One group appeared generally older than the other. - One man is the current President, responsible for driving this country for the past 4 years. The other is the one who wants his job. This is off-topic, but I'm curious as to whether you always vote Republican no matter who it is. In other words, would you be voting for the current President if the only difference was that he was a Democrat? Regards, Alvaro


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            Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk Notice which group is the most intolerant[^] :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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            I think this comment from a reader of the article gives a better explanation for the reporter's experience: "Also, I think the stereotype is true -- Orange County Republicans are just better behaved. They may have wanted to have Richard killed, but they were too polite to say anything. I have been at holiday gatherings with a past head of the county Republican party, a very devout born-again with very hard-core attitudes, and he never treated anyone in his house with anything but respect and courtesy, no matter the stances you took. I suspect he would have had the same thing happen to him in Utah. People may have looked at him oddly, but no one would have treated him badly. Leftists, on the other hand, are raised on viewing any sort of restraint as tantamount to self-censorship, so we tend to speak our minds in public a lot more. I think that leftists are more aggressive and in-your-face in person." Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain

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              Apples vs oranges? - Three paragraphs talking about the Kerry shirt; eight with the Bush shirt. :suss: - One group appeared generally older than the other. - One man is the current President, responsible for driving this country for the past 4 years. The other is the one who wants his job. This is off-topic, but I'm curious as to whether you always vote Republican no matter who it is. In other words, would you be voting for the current President if the only difference was that he was a Democrat? Regards, Alvaro


              Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush

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              Doug Goulden
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              Alvaro Mendez wrote: This is off-topic, but I'm curious as to whether you always vote Republican no matter who it is. In other words, would you be voting for the current President if the only difference was that he was a Democrat? Good question... actually my sig refers to what my wife calls me. She tends to be much more liberal than I am, sometimes to the point of driving me a little crazy. Although I am registered as a Republican, I tend to consider myself an Independent. I would vote for whoever I felt would represent myself and my country the best. I actually voted for McCain when he ran against Bush in the 2000 primaries. If faced with a choice between say Pat Buchanan and say Edwards, I would have no problem voting for a Democrat as President. My local Congressman is a Democrat (Bart Stupak) and I will undoubtedly vote for him again. The funny thing is that my wife has never voted for a Republican cantidate while I have no problems voting for either party so long as I think that the person is the better choice. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                I think this comment from a reader of the article gives a better explanation for the reporter's experience: "Also, I think the stereotype is true -- Orange County Republicans are just better behaved. They may have wanted to have Richard killed, but they were too polite to say anything. I have been at holiday gatherings with a past head of the county Republican party, a very devout born-again with very hard-core attitudes, and he never treated anyone in his house with anything but respect and courtesy, no matter the stances you took. I suspect he would have had the same thing happen to him in Utah. People may have looked at him oddly, but no one would have treated him badly. Leftists, on the other hand, are raised on viewing any sort of restraint as tantamount to self-censorship, so we tend to speak our minds in public a lot more. I think that leftists are more aggressive and in-your-face in person." Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain

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                In general I would tend to agree with that assesment. There are obnoxious people on both sides of the political spectrum, however, but many on the left seem to be more shrill. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                  Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk Notice which group is the most intolerant[^] :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                  I think there are numerous problems with this informal study. For example, I thought his Bush/Cheney t-shirt was much more visible than his Kerry/Edwards t-shirt. As a result, I think a lot of people wouldn't even notice that he was wearing a Kerry/Edwards shirt, but it's hard not to notice the Bush/Cheney shirt from 10 yards away. There were a number of little things like that. But, I think those explain some of his experience, but not all of it. First, I think democratic voters are, on average, less well-behaved than republican ones. There are a couple reasons for this. Democrats are generally younger. Republicans are generally older. Younger people are more likely to act-out, whereas older people are less likely to act-out. Thus, the greater number of young people who are democrats give democrats, on average, a lower "well behaved" score. Just recently I happened to see a news video about some democrats who snuck into a young republican convention and then showed their anti-Bush signs. One of the democrats got kicked by one of the young republicans. They had this on videotape. The news crew went to the young republican who had done the kicking, told him that they have videotape of him kicking one of the protesters, and asked him if he had any comments. The kid kind of stammered and said he didn't remember kicking anyone. They told him again about having a video of him doing it, and he just played dumb. Secondly, the democratic crowd has attracted people who are anti-corporate and anti-establishment. When groups like black-bloc join the democrats, they do so because they are so anti-Bush. Many of these people are radicals. They might vote with the democrats, but they aren't democrats anymore than neonazis are republicans (and I would fully expect neonazis to vote republican given the republican's stance on affirmative action, God, guns, and conservative values - i.e. white and male). Second, I think being intolerant hurts the cause, but even though the word "intolerant" implies "evil", everyone has ideas about what they consider valid intolerance and what is invalid intolerance - a fact which is rarely acknowledged. Is it okay to hate Nazis? Yes. Does that mean you are intolerant - with all the nasty connotations that the word "intolerance" implies? No. Thus, the rule is "it's okay to be intolerant towards bad things". On the daily show they put it very succinctly: they said, sure Bush as gotten us involved in a war for no good reason, put the US in debt, damaged our international

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                    Alvaro Mendez wrote: This is off-topic, but I'm curious as to whether you always vote Republican no matter who it is. In other words, would you be voting for the current President if the only difference was that he was a Democrat? Good question... actually my sig refers to what my wife calls me. She tends to be much more liberal than I am, sometimes to the point of driving me a little crazy. Although I am registered as a Republican, I tend to consider myself an Independent. I would vote for whoever I felt would represent myself and my country the best. I actually voted for McCain when he ran against Bush in the 2000 primaries. If faced with a choice between say Pat Buchanan and say Edwards, I would have no problem voting for a Democrat as President. My local Congressman is a Democrat (Bart Stupak) and I will undoubtedly vote for him again. The funny thing is that my wife has never voted for a Republican cantidate while I have no problems voting for either party so long as I think that the person is the better choice. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                    Doug Goulden wrote: I have no problems voting for either party so long as I think that the person is the better choice. I'm very glad to hear that. I'm the same way. Moving on to other things, did you notice the Slate votes[^] box on the top right of the article? I clicked on it and found it a very interesting read. I felt that most of the responses were non-partisan, and that the main reason Kerry is getting the vote is because Bush has to go. It's kind of sad Kerry isn't a more appealing candidate, but it will be really sad if he doesn't win. Regards, Alvaro


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                      In general I would tend to agree with that assesment. There are obnoxious people on both sides of the political spectrum, however, but many on the left seem to be more shrill. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                      Doug wrote many on the left seem to be more shrill That's logical. First, we are less shameful of our opinions, and next, being generally younger we are still able to shrill :-D;)


                      Fold With Us! "A leader is a man who can adapt principles to circumstances - Georges S. Patton, 1885–1945"

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