A question about road names for USians
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peterchen wrote: As a German I find the street numbering/naming is the one thing the USians got right in older sections of cities and towns (anything over 30 years old :) ), things are usually pretty close to a grid (ex. my home town[^] of < 7,000 people). but our recent love affair with cul-de-sacs has made suburbia much more difficult (or at least much more unintuitive) to navigate (ex. my new town[^]). Image Toolkits | Image Processing | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: my new town My goodness, that looks like a bowl of meal worms! :omg:
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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Las+Cruces,+New+Mexico&ll=32.276123,-106.905407&spn=0.092407,0.153928&hl=en[^] What is the name of that highway. Is it 10? 70? 180? How would you refer to it if you wanted to tell someone to drive on it heading out of the city. "Drive west along ... ?" Thanks guys. :rose:
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Even numbers run east to west; increasing to the south Principal routes are one or two digits (abbreviated as 2dus) and end in 0: US 10 to US 90 Existing range is US 2 to US 98 Odd numbers run north to south; increasing to the west Principal routes are one or two digits (with a single three digit exception) and end in 1: US 1 to US 101 Existing range is US 1 to US 101 Increments of low-order digits fill in the grid e.g. US 20, US 22, US 24, ... US 30 - Even Numbered e.g. US 21, US 23, US 25, ... US 31 - Odd Numbered In addition, an increment of 3rd high order digits (3dus) denote branch highways or spur routes. e.g. US 166, US 266, (US 366), (US 466), (US 566), (US 666) US Divided-number Routes are of the form nd where d is {N|S|E|W} e.g. US 70N, US 70S and (US 99E), (US 99W). :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Las+Cruces,+New+Mexico&ll=32.276123,-106.905407&spn=0.092407,0.153928&hl=en[^] What is the name of that highway. Is it 10? 70? 180? How would you refer to it if you wanted to tell someone to drive on it heading out of the city. "Drive west along ... ?" Thanks guys. :rose:
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Well, when I drive on the exact same road every day.... We call it Interstate 10, I-10 for short, and Highway 70. Tell them to avoid Highway 70 between 6:30 and 7am. Honestly. :) We're crazy drivers here. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Las+Cruces,+New+Mexico&ll=32.276123,-106.905407&spn=0.092407,0.153928&hl=en[^] What is the name of that highway. Is it 10? 70? 180? How would you refer to it if you wanted to tell someone to drive on it heading out of the city. "Drive west along ... ?" Thanks guys. :rose:
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Additional note.... Leaving Las Cruces, every sign will say "Interstate 10 east/west" depending on which direction you hop on, or attempt to exit. So saying Interstate 10 west will be in large green signs over the exits, and I-10 will be on the interstate sign (exactly as you see it on the road map). So that will always be found. About one in four exits will say Highway 70 and 180. So if you give directions via that, they may not find the exit. Going down the highway, they will see constant reminders of the Interstate badge sign (I10), but reminders that they are on highway 70 or 180 will be very few and far between. Usually you will only find the state highway overlap signs near cities, Interstate signs will be regular and everywhere. ohhh... and tell them not to stop in Lordsburg (other side of deming), keep going, ASAP (unless you are letterboxing... in which case find it, and get out) :) I've never found a good reason for staying in Lordsburg for any period of time... and I will try almost anything once. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Even numbers run east to west; increasing to the south Principal routes are one or two digits (abbreviated as 2dus) and end in 0: US 10 to US 90 Existing range is US 2 to US 98 Odd numbers run north to south; increasing to the west Principal routes are one or two digits (with a single three digit exception) and end in 1: US 1 to US 101 Existing range is US 1 to US 101 Increments of low-order digits fill in the grid e.g. US 20, US 22, US 24, ... US 30 - Even Numbered e.g. US 21, US 23, US 25, ... US 31 - Odd Numbered In addition, an increment of 3rd high order digits (3dus) denote branch highways or spur routes. e.g. US 166, US 266, (US 366), (US 466), (US 566), (US 666) US Divided-number Routes are of the form nd where d is {N|S|E|W} e.g. US 70N, US 70S and (US 99E), (US 99W). :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
However, here in the southwest, driving around mountain ranges and military sites, 10 east/west can go due north for 30 miles. :) it is very odd getting off and on I10 west at Vado for a sandwich when you turn north or south. hehehe The sign is the general direction of the highway between states and sometimes follows odd routes in the Rockies. And of course, worse, as you see on the map... interstate short-cuts are noted on a map... you will NOT find them in las cruces in town, they will just be street names. I think Las Cruces wants you to enter, but never leave. We do have good chili though, so it's worth the extra time in town. ;) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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peterchen wrote: As a German I find the street numbering/naming is the one thing the USians got right in older sections of cities and towns (anything over 30 years old :) ), things are usually pretty close to a grid (ex. my home town[^] of < 7,000 people). but our recent love affair with cul-de-sacs has made suburbia much more difficult (or at least much more unintuitive) to navigate (ex. my new town[^]). Image Toolkits | Image Processing | Cleek
The cul-de-sacs don't seem so bad while you are driving, but as soon as you try to navigate them on a bike or walk, it forces you onto congested main roads and riding way out of your way to get around neighborhoods with no through access. :mad: The only explanation I've heard is that the random roads and single entrance and exit points of neighborhoods deters crime.
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The cul-de-sacs don't seem so bad while you are driving, but as soon as you try to navigate them on a bike or walk, it forces you onto congested main roads and riding way out of your way to get around neighborhoods with no through access. :mad: The only explanation I've heard is that the random roads and single entrance and exit points of neighborhoods deters crime.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
andy brummer wrote: The only explanation I've heard is that the random roads and single entrance and exit points of neighborhoods deters crime. Heh... i looked up cul-de-sac earlier, and found this little rant. Pretty much backs up your reason. Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
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andy brummer wrote: The only explanation I've heard is that the random roads and single entrance and exit points of neighborhoods deters crime. Heh... i looked up cul-de-sac earlier, and found this little rant. Pretty much backs up your reason. Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
That pretty much sums it up about right. I've lived in areas with cul-de-sacs and areas without and even in the urban areas with much higher crime rates, I've felt much more connected to the neighborhood then living in one of those suburban hellholes. It is just a lot more plesant when things are built around a human scale rather then a car scale.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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peterchen wrote: As a German I find the street numbering/naming is the one thing the USians got right in older sections of cities and towns (anything over 30 years old :) ), things are usually pretty close to a grid (ex. my home town[^] of < 7,000 people). but our recent love affair with cul-de-sacs has made suburbia much more difficult (or at least much more unintuitive) to navigate (ex. my new town[^]). Image Toolkits | Image Processing | Cleek
sorry no fancy google maps[^] Note the particular unparallelness of many streets. This shows most of my way to work (the half-a-circle in the top right) and although I roughly knew the area, I regularly got lost the first week (, I always ended up on the wrong end), until I gave up and looked at the map. I was refering more to overland travel, i.e. getting from town A to town B. With the US system, you can have a lok at the map before, and take down a few notes (like "I90 west, US70South, US71 W until Glenmore road"), and get from A to B quickly. Further, it's fairly easy to locate yourself on the map if you're on an intersection. Try that in Germany - if you don't know the route, you are best off with someone navigating you.
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sorry no fancy google maps[^] Note the particular unparallelness of many streets. This shows most of my way to work (the half-a-circle in the top right) and although I roughly knew the area, I regularly got lost the first week (, I always ended up on the wrong end), until I gave up and looked at the map. I was refering more to overland travel, i.e. getting from town A to town B. With the US system, you can have a lok at the map before, and take down a few notes (like "I90 west, US70South, US71 W until Glenmore road"), and get from A to B quickly. Further, it's fairly easy to locate yourself on the map if you're on an intersection. Try that in Germany - if you don't know the route, you are best off with someone navigating you.
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sorry no fancy google maps[^] Note the particular unparallelness of many streets. This shows most of my way to work (the half-a-circle in the top right) and although I roughly knew the area, I regularly got lost the first week (, I always ended up on the wrong end), until I gave up and looked at the map. I was refering more to overland travel, i.e. getting from town A to town B. With the US system, you can have a lok at the map before, and take down a few notes (like "I90 west, US70South, US71 W until Glenmore road"), and get from A to B quickly. Further, it's fairly easy to locate yourself on the map if you're on an intersection. Try that in Germany - if you don't know the route, you are best off with someone navigating you.
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: Try that in Germany - if you don't know the route, you are best off with someone navigating you. yeah, i can see how that would be tough :) Image Toolkits | Image Processing | Cleek
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Additional note.... Leaving Las Cruces, every sign will say "Interstate 10 east/west" depending on which direction you hop on, or attempt to exit. So saying Interstate 10 west will be in large green signs over the exits, and I-10 will be on the interstate sign (exactly as you see it on the road map). So that will always be found. About one in four exits will say Highway 70 and 180. So if you give directions via that, they may not find the exit. Going down the highway, they will see constant reminders of the Interstate badge sign (I10), but reminders that they are on highway 70 or 180 will be very few and far between. Usually you will only find the state highway overlap signs near cities, Interstate signs will be regular and everywhere. ohhh... and tell them not to stop in Lordsburg (other side of deming), keep going, ASAP (unless you are letterboxing... in which case find it, and get out) :) I've never found a good reason for staying in Lordsburg for any period of time... and I will try almost anything once. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Thanks for help. :cool:
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However, here in the southwest, driving around mountain ranges and military sites, 10 east/west can go due north for 30 miles. :) it is very odd getting off and on I10 west at Vado for a sandwich when you turn north or south. hehehe The sign is the general direction of the highway between states and sometimes follows odd routes in the Rockies. And of course, worse, as you see on the map... interstate short-cuts are noted on a map... you will NOT find them in las cruces in town, they will just be street names. I think Las Cruces wants you to enter, but never leave. We do have good chili though, so it's worth the extra time in town. ;) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: 10 east/west can go due north for 30 miles. Yup. I live in Rhode Island, and there's a 100 mile stretch where I-95 is east-west, from NYC to Rhode Island, all through Connecticut! Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: I think Las Cruces wants you to enter, but never leave :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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I-10 or Hwy 70, both works. Actually, As a German I find the street numbering/naming is the one thing the USians got right.
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: I-10 or Hwy 70, both works. Like much of the code out there, works is not the same as correct! A highway ("Hwy") is any major road maintained by a goverment entity (legally it means any public road). Many people consider any multi-lane roadway to be a "highway". State, Local, US and Interstate routes can all be called "highways", if they are preceived as "major enough". But saying "Highway 93" is just as bad as saying "Route 93": do you mean "State Route 93", "Local Route 93", "US Route 93", or "Interstate Route 93"? They use different signs for a reason. In some places where there are no identically numbered routes, you might be able to get away with it, but that does not mean that it is appropriate to do so. Peace! -=- James
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peterchen wrote: I-10 or Hwy 70, both works. Like much of the code out there, works is not the same as correct! A highway ("Hwy") is any major road maintained by a goverment entity (legally it means any public road). Many people consider any multi-lane roadway to be a "highway". State, Local, US and Interstate routes can all be called "highways", if they are preceived as "major enough". But saying "Highway 93" is just as bad as saying "Route 93": do you mean "State Route 93", "Local Route 93", "US Route 93", or "Interstate Route 93"? They use different signs for a reason. In some places where there are no identically numbered routes, you might be able to get away with it, but that does not mean that it is appropriate to do so. Peace! -=- James
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DeleteFXPFiles & CheckFavorites (Please rate this post!)Is there an unambiugous name for US non-Interstate-Highways?
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Is there an unambiugous name for US non-Interstate-Highways?
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenUS Highway 16 State Highway 16 (or, Minnesota Highway 16, CO Highway 16, etc.) etc. If you're a local, you'll probably shorten that to Highway 16, or just 16, as your context will clarify things... but when giving formal directions, you'd say/write it as above. Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
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Is there an unambiugous name for US non-Interstate-Highways?
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenYes, only "I" routes are interstates. "I-90" and "I-84" are Interstate routes, "US-3" is a US route, and "32" or "route 32" usually mean state/local routes (the states that I have driven in no longer have "local" routes, only state ones, but there may be a few still around). As mentioned above, people will often drop the proper title of the route if its number is not ambiguous. For example, people in the NE area may just say "95" when they really mean "Interstate 95" or "I-95". Regular streets and roads usually have a proper name, as do some larger or more major roadways that are not highways (unless they are newly constructed). For example, in NH there is a roadway called the "Daniel Webster Highway", and in NY there is one called the "Sprain Brook Parkway". Sometimes, different roadways may share the same physical road or highway. For example, the above mentioned Daniel Webster Highway is part of US-3 for awhile, from its origin near the NH/MA state line to Exit 10 or 11 (I think, I might have the exit number off), at which US3 and the DWH split. Trivia Time: US interstates have a numbering system. Even numbered interstates are East/West, odd-numbered ones run North/South. Interstates are generally "dedicated" and "contigious" roadways, but US, and state/local routes can "piggyback" on and off of existing ones. For example, I-95 in MA is the same physical I-95 in CT, NY, etc. IIRC, the same goes for US routes, although they can turn onto and off of a bunch of local roads, but the route is consistent throughout its travel; you could drive US-3 in PA to US-3 in NH, but it would be a really long trip! Three-digit interstate number indicate a "branch" from a main interstate (the same as its 2-digit suffix), and 3-digit interstate numbers can be duplicated on physically different roads in different states. For example, I-395 in CT is not the same physical roadway as I-395 in DC. Lastly, IIRC, exit numbers also follow a system, incrementing from the West or the South, so if you are on an Interstate and do not know which direction you are going in, just pay attention to the exit numbers. Peace! -=- James
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US Highway 16 State Highway 16 (or, Minnesota Highway 16, CO Highway 16, etc.) etc. If you're a local, you'll probably shorten that to Highway 16, or just 16, as your context will clarify things... but when giving formal directions, you'd say/write it as above. Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
Shog9 wrote: If you're a local, you'll probably shorten that to Highway 16, or just 16, as your context will clarify things... but when giving formal directions, you'd say/write it as above. If you are local, you call Highway 70, either Highway 70, or the "White Sands 500" (due to the driving habits of the morning and evening traffic to White Sands Nasa Test Facility, White Sands Missile Range, HELSTF, Holloman AFB, and the like)... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Las+Cruces,+New+Mexico&ll=32.276123,-106.905407&spn=0.092407,0.153928&hl=en[^] What is the name of that highway. Is it 10? 70? 180? How would you refer to it if you wanted to tell someone to drive on it heading out of the city. "Drive west along ... ?" Thanks guys. :rose:
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Fortunately, the road signs are not mutually exclusive, and signs can be seen for all. Telling someone to drive west on 10 is just as good as telling them to drive west on 70, and they shouldn't get lost if they can follow the signs. Since that section of roadway is common to all three highways (10, 70, and 180), the sign makers delight since they have to make signs for all. Common segments of roads aren't uncommon, but the concept must have come from sign maker. Dave "You can say that again." -- Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
