I acted purely in the name of my religion
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Maybe I did not express it right, but my point is that if death penalty is still valid under Christian faith, so is stoning. So why do christians oppose Muslims' stoning and enforcing other OT laws? But if there is country with laws entirely based on Christian faith, then by Pauls words, death penalty or stoning should not be among its laws. Jesus talked many times about imperfection of the Old Testament laws --For example, Sabbath. Laws are imperfect because those who enforce them are imperfect. If the OT laws and punishments were enough, there is no need for Christianity. Also, clearly Jesus was not in favor of the eye-for-an-eye stuff (on which the death penalty is based). Above all one of the purposes all Jesus's resurrection is to release humanity from the burden of Old Testment laws by giving them an alternative. Personally I belive by stopping one stoning, Jesus stopped all stoning. Since we are all sinners and sinners punishing other sinners is totally hypocratic.
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Maybe I did not express it right, but my point is that if death penalty is still valid under Christian faith, so is stoning. So why do christians oppose Muslims' stoning and enforcing other OT laws? But if there is country with laws entirely based on Christian faith, then by Pauls words, death penalty or stoning should not be among its laws. Jesus talked many times about imperfection of the Old Testament laws --For example, Sabbath. Laws are imperfect because those who enforce them are imperfect. If the OT laws and punishments were enough, there is no need for Christianity. Also, clearly Jesus was not in favor of the eye-for-an-eye stuff (on which the death penalty is based). Above all one of the purposes all Jesus's resurrection is to release humanity from the burden of Old Testment laws by giving them an alternative. Personally I belive by stopping one stoning, Jesus stopped all stoning. Since we are all sinners and sinners punishing other sinners is totally hypocratic.
Anonymous wrote: Jesus talked many times about imperfection of the Old Testament laws --For example, Sabbath. Laws are imperfect because those who enforce them are imperfect. If the OT laws and punishments were enough, there is no need for Christianity. Also, clearly Jesus was not in favor of the eye-for-an-eye stuff (on which the death penalty is based). Above all one of the purposes all Jesus's resurrection is to release humanity from the burden of Old Testment laws by giving them an alternative. The Law was given by God and was therefore perfect. The Pharisees added to the Law and made it imperfect. Take the Sabbath as an example. They added so much gobbledy-gook to the actual law that you couldn't even do good works on the Sabbath. They thought it was wrong for JEsus to heal people on that day. It was a day to glorify the Lord, but they turned it into a day of sloth and laziness. Its true that the Law was a shadow of things to come, of liberty in Christ. An eye for an eye is just if there is a crime committed. God established that law and Jesus does not say we should not face the consequences of sin (I think 1 Peter 2 talks about consequences of breaking the law). I do think God calls us to show mercy for those that are repentent, just as he shows it for us. Jesus was able to see the heart of the woman and saw she was repentant. He also told her to go and "sin no more." Anonymous wrote: Above all one of the purposes all Jesus's resurrection is to release humanity from the burden of Old Testment laws by giving them an alternative. He was not an alternative, he was the fulfillment of the law or the embodiment of it. Just as we are made perfect through him, the law was also made perfect through him. We have freedom because we now have an atoning sacrifice for all sins for all time. When we sin, we simply must be repentant and confess to the Lord and they are forgiven (1 John 1). We no longer have a yoke of slavery, the Law, that condemns us. If we have the Spirit of truth living in us we will be compelled to do good works (Galatians 5, 1 John 3). Anonymous wrote: Personally I belive by stopping one stoning, Jesus stopped all stoning. Since we are all sinners and sinners punishing other sinners is totally hypocratic. Sinners are not punishing sinners. The authorities are punishing those that break the law. Whether its stoning or flogging, they have the authority to carry out the punishm
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Anonymous wrote: Jesus talked many times about imperfection of the Old Testament laws --For example, Sabbath. Laws are imperfect because those who enforce them are imperfect. If the OT laws and punishments were enough, there is no need for Christianity. Also, clearly Jesus was not in favor of the eye-for-an-eye stuff (on which the death penalty is based). Above all one of the purposes all Jesus's resurrection is to release humanity from the burden of Old Testment laws by giving them an alternative. The Law was given by God and was therefore perfect. The Pharisees added to the Law and made it imperfect. Take the Sabbath as an example. They added so much gobbledy-gook to the actual law that you couldn't even do good works on the Sabbath. They thought it was wrong for JEsus to heal people on that day. It was a day to glorify the Lord, but they turned it into a day of sloth and laziness. Its true that the Law was a shadow of things to come, of liberty in Christ. An eye for an eye is just if there is a crime committed. God established that law and Jesus does not say we should not face the consequences of sin (I think 1 Peter 2 talks about consequences of breaking the law). I do think God calls us to show mercy for those that are repentent, just as he shows it for us. Jesus was able to see the heart of the woman and saw she was repentant. He also told her to go and "sin no more." Anonymous wrote: Above all one of the purposes all Jesus's resurrection is to release humanity from the burden of Old Testment laws by giving them an alternative. He was not an alternative, he was the fulfillment of the law or the embodiment of it. Just as we are made perfect through him, the law was also made perfect through him. We have freedom because we now have an atoning sacrifice for all sins for all time. When we sin, we simply must be repentant and confess to the Lord and they are forgiven (1 John 1). We no longer have a yoke of slavery, the Law, that condemns us. If we have the Spirit of truth living in us we will be compelled to do good works (Galatians 5, 1 John 3). Anonymous wrote: Personally I belive by stopping one stoning, Jesus stopped all stoning. Since we are all sinners and sinners punishing other sinners is totally hypocratic. Sinners are not punishing sinners. The authorities are punishing those that break the law. Whether its stoning or flogging, they have the authority to carry out the punishm
Though it looks like our views run pararllel, I think I need to make a few more points. Jason Henderson wrote: The Law was given by God and was therefore perfect Jason Henderson wrote: He was not an alternative, he was the fulfillment of the law Does this mean that everything is perfect since everything is given by God? Besides, anything that is not fullfilled or incomplete is not perfect (though not all complete things are perfect). So it implies laws were not perfect and if they were, since they were given by God, then nothing is imperfect since everything is given by God. Jason Henderson wrote: An eye for an eye is just if there is a crime committed. In the context of Old Testament, the laws and the punishments are related to sins not crimes. The nature and definition of the sin is decided by God and the definition of the crime is decided by the Governing bodys. Most times, these two are at odds with eatch other. So there is any obvious difference here. In OT, the primary purpose of the death peanlty is a punishment for a sin (though it also happened to be the law of the Jewish land). Of course Christians are bound to obey the laws of the land, but actively supporting and carrying out death penalty and stoning is not differnt from actively supporting and undergoing circumcision. Remember, if you choose to obey some laws, you are bound to obey all laws, including circumcision (By actively supporting the laws I mean that creating the environment that the laws become the laws of the land,for example, for voting for death penalty.). Jason Henderson wrote: Sinners are not punishing sinners. Jason Henderson wrote: Jesus was able to see the heart of the woman and saw she was repentant. He also told her to go and "sin no more." ok but why did Jesus specifically say "those without sin"? A true Christian lives by Mathew 5-38 or else words of Jesus are wasted.