No2ID pledge reached
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The No2ID pledge[^] has been reached (good!), although anyone here who signed (ta!) it probably already knows that :->
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The No2ID pledge[^] has been reached (good!), although anyone here who signed (ta!) it probably already knows that :->
Interesting issue. When I last lived in the UK I would have been against the idea of an ID card for reasons of personal liberty etc. After some time in Europe with a French and Belgium ID card, I couldn't care wether I have one or not. OK, here it only costs 10-30 euros, not the 100 quid I heard the UK gov is going to charge! (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Pros? Would it really crack down on crime? Introducing PIN numbered credit cards has. A national finger print database would help the police. Cons? Cost. Would you be required to carry it at all times? (like in europe, yeah, like I realy have it on me all the time!) Does this affect the way the police work? My wife was in the police in the UK, and without an ID card the copper has to be very good at sussing someone out; Are they lying about their adress, name etc? With an ID card will it be too easy to rely on this as proof given that forgeries will exist? Who knows.... Why not just put the addres on tha back page of the passport, having that last page as a removable (from the bok) insert which can be used as an ID card. OK, no finger prnts but it would be cheap! (French and Belgium ID carsd have just a photo, name and address BTW) Nunc est bibendum!
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Interesting issue. When I last lived in the UK I would have been against the idea of an ID card for reasons of personal liberty etc. After some time in Europe with a French and Belgium ID card, I couldn't care wether I have one or not. OK, here it only costs 10-30 euros, not the 100 quid I heard the UK gov is going to charge! (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Pros? Would it really crack down on crime? Introducing PIN numbered credit cards has. A national finger print database would help the police. Cons? Cost. Would you be required to carry it at all times? (like in europe, yeah, like I realy have it on me all the time!) Does this affect the way the police work? My wife was in the police in the UK, and without an ID card the copper has to be very good at sussing someone out; Are they lying about their adress, name etc? With an ID card will it be too easy to rely on this as proof given that forgeries will exist? Who knows.... Why not just put the addres on tha back page of the passport, having that last page as a removable (from the bok) insert which can be used as an ID card. OK, no finger prnts but it would be cheap! (French and Belgium ID carsd have just a photo, name and address BTW) Nunc est bibendum!
fat_boy wrote: (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Hmm, don't the Americans have it wrong rather? "Could not care less" means that there is no way a person could care less. That they have hit rock-bottom in caring about the matter. "Could care less", literally, means there are levels of caring lower than what you are currently at. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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fat_boy wrote: (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Hmm, don't the Americans have it wrong rather? "Could not care less" means that there is no way a person could care less. That they have hit rock-bottom in caring about the matter. "Could care less", literally, means there are levels of caring lower than what you are currently at. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. I didnt say explicitly which camp was wrong, I didnt want to start another flame war, on the (mis)use of English! Nunc est bibendum!
Oh, OK. Don't worry, the Americans know, and are proud, of their English bastardisations. ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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fat_boy wrote: (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Hmm, don't the Americans have it wrong rather? "Could not care less" means that there is no way a person could care less. That they have hit rock-bottom in caring about the matter. "Could care less", literally, means there are levels of caring lower than what you are currently at. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
I'm American and I've always said "could not care less." It drives me nuts when I hear someone use "could care less." Jeff Martin My Blog
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I'm American and I've always said "could not care less." It drives me nuts when I hear someone use "could care less." Jeff Martin My Blog
Hurrah! You still write color though, don't you? ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. I didnt say explicitly which camp was wrong, I didnt want to start another flame war, on the (mis)use of English! Nunc est bibendum!
fat_boy wrote: Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. Firsa t off, you are an ignorant twat. The American usage is the same. Who appointed you the expert on Americans? Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Hurrah! You still write color though, don't you? ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
Paul Watson wrote: You still write color though Only because it cost points off in school if you use the "british spelling". The 'u' is silent anyway. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Paul Watson wrote: You still write color though Only because it cost points off in school if you use the "british spelling". The 'u' is silent anyway. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
so is the 'h' in many words, do you want us to spell 'ospital', 'wen', 'wich'. Fact is, english is such a mess vis spelling, and pronunciation, that to attempt an improvement is ridiculous, you would have to transform the entire language. Nunc est bibendum!
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fat_boy wrote: Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. Firsa t off, you are an ignorant twat. The American usage is the same. Who appointed you the expert on Americans? Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
I have seen 'could care less' many times on this forum for example. When, from the context, it is obvious the author meant 'could not care less'. So the ussage is often not the same. 'you are an ignorant twat.' Hey, you are improving. Next time you might be able to put together 5 words without swearing! Nunc est bibendum!
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Oh, OK. Don't worry, the Americans know, and are proud, of their English bastardisations. ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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so is the 'h' in many words, do you want us to spell 'ospital', 'wen', 'wich'. Fact is, english is such a mess vis spelling, and pronunciation, that to attempt an improvement is ridiculous, you would have to transform the entire language. Nunc est bibendum!
Actually, Americans pronounce the h in hospital, and the h's in which and when also result in a pronounciation that is different than wen or wich. All thre are poor examples. But then, you seem to be good at poor examples... Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Interesting issue. When I last lived in the UK I would have been against the idea of an ID card for reasons of personal liberty etc. After some time in Europe with a French and Belgium ID card, I couldn't care wether I have one or not. OK, here it only costs 10-30 euros, not the 100 quid I heard the UK gov is going to charge! (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Pros? Would it really crack down on crime? Introducing PIN numbered credit cards has. A national finger print database would help the police. Cons? Cost. Would you be required to carry it at all times? (like in europe, yeah, like I realy have it on me all the time!) Does this affect the way the police work? My wife was in the police in the UK, and without an ID card the copper has to be very good at sussing someone out; Are they lying about their adress, name etc? With an ID card will it be too easy to rely on this as proof given that forgeries will exist? Who knows.... Why not just put the addres on tha back page of the passport, having that last page as a removable (from the bok) insert which can be used as an ID card. OK, no finger prnts but it would be cheap! (French and Belgium ID carsd have just a photo, name and address BTW) Nunc est bibendum!
The £100 is provisional and the way previous projects have gogneis estimated at nearer £300 :omg: That makes £20 billion for a system with 90% success rate based on current technology... The tigress is here :-D
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fat_boy wrote: Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. Firsa t off, you are an ignorant twat. The American usage is the same. Who appointed you the expert on Americans? Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
Personally I believe the American usuage is wrong too. I could care less makes no sense for its intended use because clearly you could care less... you are stating that. On the other hand, saying you couldn't care less means you have reached the absolute bottom of caring and cannot care any less. Two totally different things IMO.
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so is the 'h' in many words, do you want us to spell 'ospital', 'wen', 'wich'. Fact is, english is such a mess vis spelling, and pronunciation, that to attempt an improvement is ridiculous, you would have to transform the entire language. Nunc est bibendum!
fat_boy wrote: 'ospital' The 'h' in 'hospital' is not silent? :confused:
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (QT)
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Actually, Americans pronounce the h in hospital, and the h's in which and when also result in a pronounciation that is different than wen or wich. All thre are poor examples. But then, you seem to be good at poor examples... Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Personally I believe the American usuage is wrong too. I could care less makes no sense for its intended use because clearly you could care less... you are stating that. On the other hand, saying you couldn't care less means you have reached the absolute bottom of caring and cannot care any less. Two totally different things IMO.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (QT)
Actually, I was asserting that the normal American usage was "I couldn't care less" (I normally hear the contraction used rather than spelling out "not"). Although there may be a few folks on the forum thant incorrectly use "I could care less", it is my experience that the other is the norm. fat_boy has a habit of making sweeping generalizations about americans that are not based (in my opinion) in reality or in any real experience with Americans. :rose: Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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fat_boy wrote: 'ospital' The 'h' in 'hospital' is not silent? :confused:
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (QT)
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Actually, I was asserting that the normal American usage was "I couldn't care less" (I normally hear the contraction used rather than spelling out "not"). Although there may be a few folks on the forum thant incorrectly use "I could care less", it is my experience that the other is the norm. fat_boy has a habit of making sweeping generalizations about americans that are not based (in my opinion) in reality or in any real experience with Americans. :rose: Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
Ok. I have heard the bastard form on CP forums a lot, so I would have made the same generalisation.
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