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Interesting issue. When I last lived in the UK I would have been against the idea of an ID card for reasons of personal liberty etc. After some time in Europe with a French and Belgium ID card, I couldn't care wether I have one or not. OK, here it only costs 10-30 euros, not the 100 quid I heard the UK gov is going to charge! (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Pros? Would it really crack down on crime? Introducing PIN numbered credit cards has. A national finger print database would help the police. Cons? Cost. Would you be required to carry it at all times? (like in europe, yeah, like I realy have it on me all the time!) Does this affect the way the police work? My wife was in the police in the UK, and without an ID card the copper has to be very good at sussing someone out; Are they lying about their adress, name etc? With an ID card will it be too easy to rely on this as proof given that forgeries will exist? Who knows.... Why not just put the addres on tha back page of the passport, having that last page as a removable (from the bok) insert which can be used as an ID card. OK, no finger prnts but it would be cheap! (French and Belgium ID carsd have just a photo, name and address BTW) Nunc est bibendum!
The £100 is provisional and the way previous projects have gogneis estimated at nearer £300 :omg: That makes £20 billion for a system with 90% success rate based on current technology... The tigress is here :-D
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so is the 'h' in many words, do you want us to spell 'ospital', 'wen', 'wich'. Fact is, english is such a mess vis spelling, and pronunciation, that to attempt an improvement is ridiculous, you would have to transform the entire language. Nunc est bibendum!
fat_boy wrote: 'ospital' The 'h' in 'hospital' is not silent? :confused:
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Actually, Americans pronounce the h in hospital, and the h's in which and when also result in a pronounciation that is different than wen or wich. All thre are poor examples. But then, you seem to be good at poor examples... Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Personally I believe the American usuage is wrong too. I could care less makes no sense for its intended use because clearly you could care less... you are stating that. On the other hand, saying you couldn't care less means you have reached the absolute bottom of caring and cannot care any less. Two totally different things IMO.
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Actually, I was asserting that the normal American usage was "I couldn't care less" (I normally hear the contraction used rather than spelling out "not"). Although there may be a few folks on the forum thant incorrectly use "I could care less", it is my experience that the other is the norm. fat_boy has a habit of making sweeping generalizations about americans that are not based (in my opinion) in reality or in any real experience with Americans. :rose: Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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fat_boy wrote: 'ospital' The 'h' in 'hospital' is not silent? :confused:
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Hurrah! You still write color though, don't you? ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
I went through a period where I did use -our, I'm not sure where I picked that up. I don't do it anymore though. That was in high school when I spelled my name Geoff. :D Jeff Martin My Blog
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Actually, I was asserting that the normal American usage was "I couldn't care less" (I normally hear the contraction used rather than spelling out "not"). Although there may be a few folks on the forum thant incorrectly use "I could care less", it is my experience that the other is the norm. fat_boy has a habit of making sweeping generalizations about americans that are not based (in my opinion) in reality or in any real experience with Americans. :rose: Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
Ok. I have heard the bastard form on CP forums a lot, so I would have made the same generalisation.
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fat_boy wrote: 'ospital' The 'h' in 'hospital' is not silent? :confused:
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I have never (in any part of the US, in spite of what fat_boy says) heard it pronounced any other way than similar to the h in horse, or huh. I have lived in the northeast (Boston), the southeast, the mountain west and california. Everywhere the h was pronounced... Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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I have never (in any part of the US, in spite of what fat_boy says) heard it pronounced any other way than similar to the h in horse, or huh. I have lived in the northeast (Boston), the southeast, the mountain west and california. Everywhere the h was pronounced... Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Ah, sorry for that, I meant in the UK. For example, 'ere love, goin' dahn the 'ospital, could be, widely, construed as the London accent. Nunc est bibendum!
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Ah, sorry for that, I meant in the UK. For example, 'ere love, goin' dahn the 'ospital, could be, widely, construed as the London accent. Nunc est bibendum!
It would? :omg: I would ignore anyone talking to me like that until they started talking properly. That, or I'd slap them.
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Actually, I was asserting that the normal American usage was "I couldn't care less" (I normally hear the contraction used rather than spelling out "not"). Although there may be a few folks on the forum thant incorrectly use "I could care less", it is my experience that the other is the norm. fat_boy has a habit of making sweeping generalizations about americans that are not based (in my opinion) in reality or in any real experience with Americans. :rose: Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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fat_boy wrote: Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. Firsa t off, you are an ignorant twat. The American usage is the same. Who appointed you the expert on Americans? Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
Rob Graham wrote: expert on Americans It's not that you need a high school degree for that ;P just messing with you
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Yes, Americans are wrong in its usage. I didnt say explicitly which camp was wrong, I didnt want to start another flame war, on the (mis)use of English! Nunc est bibendum!
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fat_boy wrote: (Slight insertion here for the Americans. In England, 'could not care less' means the same as when you say 'could care less'. Yes, warped use of language, but there you go) Hmm, don't the Americans have it wrong rather? "Could not care less" means that there is no way a person could care less. That they have hit rock-bottom in caring about the matter. "Could care less", literally, means there are levels of caring lower than what you are currently at. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
Why do "slim chance" and "fat chance" mean the same thing? ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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It would? :omg: I would ignore anyone talking to me like that until they started talking properly. That, or I'd slap them.
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Them's a load of London slappers you'd have to slap then. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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Why do "slim chance" and "fat chance" mean the same thing? ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Some clever dick in the past probably thought he'd be all ironic like and then loads of other clever dicks caught on. Yeah? regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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I'm starting to see a trend here. Do you hate America? Americans? WTF? Give it a rest. The Chinese have a saying: "The wind will always try to knock down the tallest tree in the forrest" or somthing like that.
No, actually I like Americans. I like their 'no bullshit', 'get things done attitude'. That is why I find it so strange that the likes of Bush have taken over what is inherently a decent society and turned it into one which the world is actually frightened of. The PNAC website fills me with fear, fear of what these guys will do next, and how much closer to the brink of chaos they will push the world. To the outside world the US is starting to look just a little bit evil. Other than that, a tounge in cheek poke at the way you guys use Englsh and a few other things like how bad a lot of US films are, is just that. A poke in the ribs. ;) BTW, American Psycho, Saving Private Ryan, The Big Lebowski, Pulp Fiction and quite a few others are, of course, excellent films. Nunc est bibendum!
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No, actually I like Americans. I like their 'no bullshit', 'get things done attitude'. That is why I find it so strange that the likes of Bush have taken over what is inherently a decent society and turned it into one which the world is actually frightened of. The PNAC website fills me with fear, fear of what these guys will do next, and how much closer to the brink of chaos they will push the world. To the outside world the US is starting to look just a little bit evil. Other than that, a tounge in cheek poke at the way you guys use Englsh and a few other things like how bad a lot of US films are, is just that. A poke in the ribs. ;) BTW, American Psycho, Saving Private Ryan, The Big Lebowski, Pulp Fiction and quite a few others are, of course, excellent films. Nunc est bibendum!
fat_boy wrote: I like their 'no bull****', 'get things done attitude'. Wow-this is Bush...not kerry. Do you feel confused at times? fat_boy wrote: and how much closer to the brink of chaos they will push the world. Look I'm not trying to bait you or get a huge flame war going, but as an American who voted for thier fist Republican in 2004 (Bush of course. I voted democrat and Libertarian before), I cannot see any choas going on here or anywhere else. Our economy is doing great, 2 countries with brutal dictatorships have been topeled. You say these things as if they were just great before 2000? fat_boy wrote: To the outside world the US is starting to look just a little bit evil. Actually I work with a lot of people and by travels take me overseas a lot. The same people overseas who hate us hated us in 1995, and so on. They just hate us more. But I find a lot of people in Europe who support the US and the Brits. I have a feeling the people you hang out with may hate us, so it may seem to you that "everyone" hates us. And I am so glad Bush does not make policies that are based on weather Fat_boy and his socialism club friends may hate him. He does what he thinks is right (along with the majority of Americans who voted for him).
