what makes ME feel free :)
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A government endorses a status quo. An established set of values and rules. This is contradictory towards the concept of freedom. What makes me feel free is not the government or our economy. Hell, its not even our constitution ( please dont get me wrong, I love the constitution but that is not what truly makes me feel free.) So I provide the answer to what makes me feel free... The cognition that I am in all reality, a sovereign entity. I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. I can fall in line with my societies ideals, or wage my own guerilla campaign against them. I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind. I reside in and am a citizen of the USA. But, nothing can take away my true freedom, which comes from within. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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A government endorses a status quo. An established set of values and rules. This is contradictory towards the concept of freedom. What makes me feel free is not the government or our economy. Hell, its not even our constitution ( please dont get me wrong, I love the constitution but that is not what truly makes me feel free.) So I provide the answer to what makes me feel free... The cognition that I am in all reality, a sovereign entity. I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. I can fall in line with my societies ideals, or wage my own guerilla campaign against them. I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind. I reside in and am a citizen of the USA. But, nothing can take away my true freedom, which comes from within. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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A government endorses a status quo. An established set of values and rules. This is contradictory towards the concept of freedom. What makes me feel free is not the government or our economy. Hell, its not even our constitution ( please dont get me wrong, I love the constitution but that is not what truly makes me feel free.) So I provide the answer to what makes me feel free... The cognition that I am in all reality, a sovereign entity. I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. I can fall in line with my societies ideals, or wage my own guerilla campaign against them. I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind. I reside in and am a citizen of the USA. But, nothing can take away my true freedom, which comes from within. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. hmm mmm ever heard about "your freedom end where freedom of others starts" ? Get some more weed.... :| Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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joshfl wrote: I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. hmm mmm ever heard about "your freedom end where freedom of others starts" ? Get some more weed.... :| Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidydnh wrote: joshfl wrote: I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. hmm mmm ever heard about "your freedom end where freedom of others starts" ? Yup, and I subscribe to that in philosophy as well. You must not have read the whole post to understand my message, or maybe you did not comprehended the meaning of it. Your awfully quick to attack, and I do not understand why. Certainly, as individuals we are all free to do those kind of things in reality. However, I did not endorse them as positive behavior in my post. Do you somehow find that I did endorse that kind of behavior in my post? If so , please explain. You conveniently ignored most of the post in order to attack me for a few scary words without even acknowledging the part where I went on to say... " I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind." The whole point of my post is noting where my freedom really comes from and what makes me, personally, feel free. My thoughts were spawned by a recent thread title below. I feel free not because I am told I am. I feel free because I am. It is within myself. For your information, even though I am aware of my root source of freedom, it does not mean I exercise it in any negative manner. So it makes me wonder, did you not comprehend my message or do you just enjoy spinning things out of context? dnh wrote: p.s. Get some more weed.... (I have plenty. :) Maybe next time you could try to stick with attacking the message, and not the messenger. Your stereotypes contribute nothing to our discourse. ) I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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dnh wrote: joshfl wrote: I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. hmm mmm ever heard about "your freedom end where freedom of others starts" ? Yup, and I subscribe to that in philosophy as well. You must not have read the whole post to understand my message, or maybe you did not comprehended the meaning of it. Your awfully quick to attack, and I do not understand why. Certainly, as individuals we are all free to do those kind of things in reality. However, I did not endorse them as positive behavior in my post. Do you somehow find that I did endorse that kind of behavior in my post? If so , please explain. You conveniently ignored most of the post in order to attack me for a few scary words without even acknowledging the part where I went on to say... " I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind." The whole point of my post is noting where my freedom really comes from and what makes me, personally, feel free. My thoughts were spawned by a recent thread title below. I feel free not because I am told I am. I feel free because I am. It is within myself. For your information, even though I am aware of my root source of freedom, it does not mean I exercise it in any negative manner. So it makes me wonder, did you not comprehend my message or do you just enjoy spinning things out of context? dnh wrote: p.s. Get some more weed.... (I have plenty. :) Maybe next time you could try to stick with attacking the message, and not the messenger. Your stereotypes contribute nothing to our discourse. ) I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: hmm mmm ever heard about "your freedom end where freedom of others starts" ? Yup, and I subscribe to that in philosophy as well. No, you don't :) Okay I think you do but you wrote it wrong. Why? Because you included murder etc. IN your freedom - and this is in direct conflict with this philosophy. joshfl wrote: So it makes me wonder now, did you not comprehend my message or do you just enjoy spinning things out of context? Okay, okay I'll try. Freedom is state of mind. But you are not the only mind out there... You say you are free to kill... but the victim is "sovereign entity" as well! He is free to live. What you said I wouldn't call freedom. (Just don't ask me how would I call it :) ) joshfl wrote: dnh wrote: p.s. Get some more weed.... (I have plenty. Maybe next time you could try and stick to attacking the message, and not the messenger.) Well it was my explanation why you wrote this (in my opinion poor) post. OK, sorry. Next time I'll say that to myself and ignore it. Peace. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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A government endorses a status quo. An established set of values and rules. This is contradictory towards the concept of freedom. What makes me feel free is not the government or our economy. Hell, its not even our constitution ( please dont get me wrong, I love the constitution but that is not what truly makes me feel free.) So I provide the answer to what makes me feel free... The cognition that I am in all reality, a sovereign entity. I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. I can fall in line with my societies ideals, or wage my own guerilla campaign against them. I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind. I reside in and am a citizen of the USA. But, nothing can take away my true freedom, which comes from within. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
Anarchy doesn't work. Good music: In my rosary[^]
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joshfl wrote: hmm mmm ever heard about "your freedom end where freedom of others starts" ? Yup, and I subscribe to that in philosophy as well. No, you don't :) Okay I think you do but you wrote it wrong. Why? Because you included murder etc. IN your freedom - and this is in direct conflict with this philosophy. joshfl wrote: So it makes me wonder now, did you not comprehend my message or do you just enjoy spinning things out of context? Okay, okay I'll try. Freedom is state of mind. But you are not the only mind out there... You say you are free to kill... but the victim is "sovereign entity" as well! He is free to live. What you said I wouldn't call freedom. (Just don't ask me how would I call it :) ) joshfl wrote: dnh wrote: p.s. Get some more weed.... (I have plenty. Maybe next time you could try and stick to attacking the message, and not the messenger.) Well it was my explanation why you wrote this (in my opinion poor) post. OK, sorry. Next time I'll say that to myself and ignore it. Peace. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidydnh wrote: No, you don't Okay I think you do but you wrote it wrong. Why? Because you included murder etc. IN your freedom - and this is in direct conflict with this philosophy. I still do not understand where I am "wrong." I included murder in my original posts definition of each individuals absolute freedom. Every individual is free to act out however they desire (within the boundaries of physics) within their environment regardless of any concept of right and wrong. Do you negate the ability of individual(s) to exercise their absolute freedom in this manner? For illustration within my original post I was describing absolute freedom, out of context of moral code. Another individual does have the freedom to defend his /herself from an attack. In the context of absolute individual freedoms (which my original post was dealing with) an individual can not be 'free' to not be attacked or bothered by another individual. This is a privilege. You can not use the term 'free' in this manner as it is corruption of the term in its literal sense. An individual currently has the privilege of not being attacked due to our laws and enforcement which is a byproduct of our collective absolute freedoms that we have defined moral standards as a society and an infrastructure that upholds these laws. Absolute freedoms for each individual are not legislated (and again murder is one of them), you are born with them. Relative freedoms are given to you by law. Now can you still tell me that because I used as an example, murder, as one of the absolute freedoms that any individual possesses that this somehow means that I personally endorse this behavior and that I cannot subscribe to high ideals? Or are you are telling me that I am wrong for including this form of activity within the context of each individuals absolute freedoms? If it is not either of these areas where you have concluded I am wrong, can you elaborate on where exactly it is that I am? dnh wrote: Okay, okay I'll try. Freedom is state of mind. But you are not the only mind out there... You say you are free to kill... but the victim is "sovereign entity" as well! He is free to live. What you said I wouldn't call freedom. (Just don't ask me how would I call it ) I think I've already pretty much covered this above, but again, point is freedom is not a state of mind when dealing with absolutes. Absolute freedom exists, and it is within everyone of us. As a sovereign entity , you can exerc
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Anarchy doesn't work. Good music: In my rosary[^]
Who said it did? I personally believe in constitutional republics with a spice of civil disobedience as a wrapper for us all. :) You obviously did not jive with my opinions on what freedom is, and do not relate to what makes me feel free. I never requested anarchy. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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dnh wrote: No, you don't Okay I think you do but you wrote it wrong. Why? Because you included murder etc. IN your freedom - and this is in direct conflict with this philosophy. I still do not understand where I am "wrong." I included murder in my original posts definition of each individuals absolute freedom. Every individual is free to act out however they desire (within the boundaries of physics) within their environment regardless of any concept of right and wrong. Do you negate the ability of individual(s) to exercise their absolute freedom in this manner? For illustration within my original post I was describing absolute freedom, out of context of moral code. Another individual does have the freedom to defend his /herself from an attack. In the context of absolute individual freedoms (which my original post was dealing with) an individual can not be 'free' to not be attacked or bothered by another individual. This is a privilege. You can not use the term 'free' in this manner as it is corruption of the term in its literal sense. An individual currently has the privilege of not being attacked due to our laws and enforcement which is a byproduct of our collective absolute freedoms that we have defined moral standards as a society and an infrastructure that upholds these laws. Absolute freedoms for each individual are not legislated (and again murder is one of them), you are born with them. Relative freedoms are given to you by law. Now can you still tell me that because I used as an example, murder, as one of the absolute freedoms that any individual possesses that this somehow means that I personally endorse this behavior and that I cannot subscribe to high ideals? Or are you are telling me that I am wrong for including this form of activity within the context of each individuals absolute freedoms? If it is not either of these areas where you have concluded I am wrong, can you elaborate on where exactly it is that I am? dnh wrote: Okay, okay I'll try. Freedom is state of mind. But you are not the only mind out there... You say you are free to kill... but the victim is "sovereign entity" as well! He is free to live. What you said I wouldn't call freedom. (Just don't ask me how would I call it ) I think I've already pretty much covered this above, but again, point is freedom is not a state of mind when dealing with absolutes. Absolute freedom exists, and it is within everyone of us. As a sovereign entity , you can exerc
joshfl wrote: I still do not understand where I am "wrong." I included murder in my original posts definition of each individuals absolute freedom. Every individual is free to act out however they desire (within the boundaries of physics) within their environment regardless of any concept of right and wrong. Do you negate the ability of individual(s) to exercise their absolute freedom in this manner? "Some philosophers have distinguished two senses of the word "freedom". One use is the "negative freedom", which is defined as the absence of constraint. According to Hobbes, for example, one is free when the law is silent on a subject. But "freedom" is also used in another, "positive" sense, where freedom is defined as the ability to transcend the social and cultural conditions which limit the potential of the individual for self-actualization - or, in simpler terms, the ability to take certain actions according to one's own will." (emphasis by me) Ok so you are not wrong - you belong to "negative" school and I to "positive" one. I had no idea about this. Great minds.. you know :) joshfl wrote: Or are you are telling me that I am wrong for including this form of activity within the context of each individuals absolute freedoms? Yes, for me freedom is not simple "lack of constraints". (look up in wicky) Period, I don't have time right now (maybe next time we can discuss definition of freedom, not now - work work :sigh: ) joshfl wrote: Now can you still tell me that because I used as an example, murder, as one of the absolute freedoms that any individual possesses that this somehow means that I personally endorse this behavior and that I cannot subscribe to high ideals? Show me where I said that. joshfl wrote: You are entitled to your opinion. I accept your sorry, and hope we can continue to stay on topic in future discussions. Always a pleasure talking with cpians FYI if some of my best friends (and weed smokers) come up with similar ideas as you, I'd tell em the same (about weed) as I told you, so don't take it too seriously. I am bad mannered :-O Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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joshfl wrote: I still do not understand where I am "wrong." I included murder in my original posts definition of each individuals absolute freedom. Every individual is free to act out however they desire (within the boundaries of physics) within their environment regardless of any concept of right and wrong. Do you negate the ability of individual(s) to exercise their absolute freedom in this manner? "Some philosophers have distinguished two senses of the word "freedom". One use is the "negative freedom", which is defined as the absence of constraint. According to Hobbes, for example, one is free when the law is silent on a subject. But "freedom" is also used in another, "positive" sense, where freedom is defined as the ability to transcend the social and cultural conditions which limit the potential of the individual for self-actualization - or, in simpler terms, the ability to take certain actions according to one's own will." (emphasis by me) Ok so you are not wrong - you belong to "negative" school and I to "positive" one. I had no idea about this. Great minds.. you know :) joshfl wrote: Or are you are telling me that I am wrong for including this form of activity within the context of each individuals absolute freedoms? Yes, for me freedom is not simple "lack of constraints". (look up in wicky) Period, I don't have time right now (maybe next time we can discuss definition of freedom, not now - work work :sigh: ) joshfl wrote: Now can you still tell me that because I used as an example, murder, as one of the absolute freedoms that any individual possesses that this somehow means that I personally endorse this behavior and that I cannot subscribe to high ideals? Show me where I said that. joshfl wrote: You are entitled to your opinion. I accept your sorry, and hope we can continue to stay on topic in future discussions. Always a pleasure talking with cpians FYI if some of my best friends (and weed smokers) come up with similar ideas as you, I'd tell em the same (about weed) as I told you, so don't take it too seriously. I am bad mannered :-O Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org /dnh wrote: Ok so you are not wrong - you belong to "negative" school and I to "positive" one. I had no idea about this. Great minds.. you know dnh wrote: Yes, for me freedom is not simple "lack of constraints". (look up in wicky) Period, I don't have time right now (maybe next time we can discuss definition of freedom, not now - work work ) Ok, Bill Clinton (what is "is" anyway :)). Definitional semantics aside as we have stepped into many sub-disputes in face saving efforts, I still think in your initial reply to my original thread you tried to insinuate that my original post was somehow endorsing the behavior that I provided as examples of the 'freedom' each and every individual possesses. (above and beyond the 'freedoms' bestowed upon citizens by man.) If you had read and understood in my initial post that I was not endorsing the behavior, merely pointing out that it is in reality a 'freedom' that each individual is capable of carrying out than why would you feel the need in your thread to counter my post with "ever heard of your freedom ends where others freedom begins?" (along with the condescending smiley icon) If you contend that an individual acting out in a given manner (such as murder) he or she is not exercising their 'freedom' as an individual than what is he/she doing? dnh wrote: joshfl wrote: Now can you still tell me that because I used as an example, murder, as one of the absolute freedoms that any individual possesses that this somehow means that I personally endorse this behavior and that I cannot subscribe to high ideals? Show me where I said that. It went like this.... I said: Yup, and I subscribe to that in philosophy as well. You said: "No, you don't. Okay I think you do but you wrote it wrong. Why? Because you included murder etc. IN your freedom - and this is in direct conflict with this philosophy. " Granted , you immediatly recanted and subsequently charged me with writing something I did not mean, but you did say it and that is what I am showing you. In addition, I feel that I said what I meant, and meant what I said. I believe you interpreted what I wrote in a way that it was not meant to be. dnh wrote: FYI if some of my best friends (and weed smokers) come up with similar ideas as you, I'd tell em the same (about weed) as I told you, so don't take it too seriously. I am bad mannered No worries. I still love you.
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A government endorses a status quo. An established set of values and rules. This is contradictory towards the concept of freedom. What makes me feel free is not the government or our economy. Hell, its not even our constitution ( please dont get me wrong, I love the constitution but that is not what truly makes me feel free.) So I provide the answer to what makes me feel free... The cognition that I am in all reality, a sovereign entity. I am free to do whatever I want , whenever I want. This includes murder , rape, theft, etc. I can fall in line with my societies ideals, or wage my own guerilla campaign against them. I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. I like to treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of law, religion, or any other external influence. I do this simply because I believe that is what will benefit mankind. I reside in and am a citizen of the USA. But, nothing can take away my true freedom, which comes from within. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. Isn't law an encapsulation of this? The tigress is here :-D
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joshfl wrote: I choose not to do any of those things because they would conflict with my own personal philosophic ideals, not because I am actually bound by any things man wrote into law. Isn't law an encapsulation of this? The tigress is here :-D
Sorry slayer, I did not understand your point. Can you please help me to understand what you are getting at. An encapsulation of what , exactly? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana