Questions for the Regime
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As silly as blaming Bush for the Katrina damage, it is cheap to blame the NO governor. As I already replied to Mike: If your plan fails because of one person failing, the plan sucks. New Orleans isn't that far out of the way. A drone/helicopter/JU 52 from a nearby army base, and one guy who has seen such things before could have said a few hours after the breach "we need the army down there. situation is out of control". What "got you into that mess" IMO: noone noticed, or had the guts to decide, that something unusual had to be done to limit the damage. (And that's my only blame towards Bush: If noone else does in the line below him, it is his job.) Everybody seemed to be sitting around thinking "it's someone elses responsibility".
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http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf[^] Under ASSUMPTIONS on page 13 of 45: 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating. My take on why these buses weren't used - it was every man for himself. Everyone was bugging out of town and they probably couldn't find drivers. Plans are good, and elaborate plans like this are great, but if you don't have any organization to back them up they are worthless pieces of paper. Did they have secondary plans for getting people food and water once they got to the last resort refuges or were they going to rely on the Feds? "For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks."
Thanks, I had not read over the assumptions. Jason Henderson wrote: My take on why these buses weren't used It also assumes the districts then had a plan to provide drivers and service the busses out of normal schedules. I doubt that was done. But maybe will in the future. Jason Henderson wrote: if you don't have any organization to back them up Agree totaly. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of.
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As silly as blaming Bush for the Katrina damage, it is cheap to blame the NO governor. As I already replied to Mike: If your plan fails because of one person failing, the plan sucks. New Orleans isn't that far out of the way. A drone/helicopter/JU 52 from a nearby army base, and one guy who has seen such things before could have said a few hours after the breach "we need the army down there. situation is out of control". What "got you into that mess" IMO: noone noticed, or had the guts to decide, that something unusual had to be done to limit the damage. (And that's my only blame towards Bush: If noone else does in the line below him, it is his job.) Everybody seemed to be sitting around thinking "it's someone elses responsibility".
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: JU 52 I dont think we use those! Does Germany still have them in use? peterchen wrote: And that's my only blame towards Bush: If noone else does in the line below him, it is his job. Well he did. peterchen wrote: Everybody seemed to be sitting around thinking "it's someone elses responsibility". Not everyone, it WAS someone's responsibility. An investigation will determine this and it hopfully will be be clear next time something like this happens.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: and if he were not, your position would be? I don't know. He appears to be doing what any leader would do after a horrible disaster happens: see it firsthand, talk to the experts to understand how to best proceed, and finally announce a plan of action for recovery. Unfortunately, based on the things Bush said on the ground, and how he and agencies like FEMA have handled this and other problems in the past, I can't help but feel that he's there for damage control -- federal damage control. "OK people, the sh*t hit the fan, some mistakes were made [FEMA screwed up big time], but good ol' George is here now to make it all better. So don't worry about the mistakes -- we'll um... investigate them -- just know that we're here to save you. [And don't forget it when the next election comes around, ya hear?]" Did you catch the Daily Show[^] last night? It will give you a great idea of how I and many people feel about this whole thing. Alvaro
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: Did you catch the Daily Show[^] last night? It will give you a great idea of how I and many people feel about this whole thing. Sure didn't. if I had to watch a comedy show to get my news, I would give up. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me
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If all democrats logic follow your line of think you are correct, they do not stand a chance...again. BTW CNN poll shows the blame goes mostly to the local goverments and not the feds. Keep it up!
kgaddy wrote: CNN poll the totally unscientific one on their front page? the one that's wide open to freeping ? try an actual poll, done by pollsters: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/08/opinion/polls/main824591.shtml[^] Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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kgaddy wrote: CNN poll the totally unscientific one on their front page? the one that's wide open to freeping ? try an actual poll, done by pollsters: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/08/opinion/polls/main824591.shtml[^] Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: the totally unscientific one on their front page? the one that's wide open to freeping ? No, CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH? Wed Sep 07 2005 10:42:26 ET A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 Done the same way as your CBS poll. Here is another for ya. http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1
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Chris Losinger wrote: the totally unscientific one on their front page? the one that's wide open to freeping ? No, CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH? Wed Sep 07 2005 10:42:26 ET A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 Done the same way as your CBS poll. Here is another for ya. http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1
kgaddy wrote: CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH? that's not the same as "the blame goes mostly to the local goverments and not the feds", which is what you actually wrote, above. because if you're talking about this[^], we get:
Respondents also disagreed widely on who is to blame for the problems in the city following the hurricane -- 13 percent said Bush, 18 percent said federal agencies, 25 percent blamed state or local officials and 38 percent said no one is to blame. And 63 percent said they do not believe anyone at federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired as a result.
hmm. let's think about this. presumably Bush is part of the Federal govt, (and maybe we can assume people would've voted for Federal instead of Bush if Bush wasn't an option) so, 13% + 18% = 31%. compare that to 25% for state or local. or, if you don't like that math, try this: 31% blame Bush OR Federal agencies. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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kgaddy wrote: CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH? that's not the same as "the blame goes mostly to the local goverments and not the feds", which is what you actually wrote, above. because if you're talking about this[^], we get:
Respondents also disagreed widely on who is to blame for the problems in the city following the hurricane -- 13 percent said Bush, 18 percent said federal agencies, 25 percent blamed state or local officials and 38 percent said no one is to blame. And 63 percent said they do not believe anyone at federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired as a result.
hmm. let's think about this. presumably Bush is part of the Federal govt, (and maybe we can assume people would've voted for Federal instead of Bush if Bush wasn't an option) so, 13% + 18% = 31%. compare that to 25% for state or local. or, if you don't like that math, try this: 31% blame Bush OR Federal agencies. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker