Free speach in the UK going down the toliet.
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Fred_Smith wrote: Are PETA and the ALF over the top? If so, it's only to counterbalance the excesses of what they are fighting. We're moving away fro "just" hunting here, into issues like vivisection as well.... Thats a crap bit of hijacking. Those people are totaly agaist free speech. They use intimidation and violence agaist those who they disagree. I was pointing out one of the many ways during which a Blair governement our own freedoms have been erroded though, and a once open society is being closed. Thanks to animal rights activists in the way they have gone about things, in a few years directors and share holders are going to have laws passed to protect them so their details are anonymous, there by removing more transparency from society. This will in turn lead to more draconian laws. Their argument is totaly diluted. If they bothered to try and appeal to the general public though education they would proabaly get their message across much better. Obviously though you seem to support their violent methods. By protesting in the UK in they way they do, they will just move it somewhere else to a country or regiem that will support it for the cash it brings in, and the animals will just suffer more. One final question. If you had cancer, and had been told the drugs that could save your life had been tested on animals, would you still take them? I'm guessing you would.
Giles wrote: Thanks to animal rights activists in the way they have gone about things, in a few years directors and share holders are going to have laws passed to protect them so their details are anonymous, there by removing more transparency from society. This will in turn lead to more draconian laws. Not quite - those people in power who want to make our society more draconian (and increase their power even more) will use such behaviour as an excuse to do so - the difference is subtle but it is there and should not be ignored. Fact is, there are plenty of laws already in existence to deal with threatening behaviour and violent attacks against persons or property. Ask yourself why, instead of using them, "they" want to introduce new laws instead.... But, yes, I do not condone such behaviour, for much the same reasons as you've stated here. Fred