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  • N Nishad S

    Hi, Is there any advantage in using ++i than i++ in simple loops? For example: for( int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { } for( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { } Which is better? Thank you. - NS -

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    There's no advantage for integers like i. But if you're using an STL iterator, for example, there's a definite advantage using ++i over i++. The implementation of the postincrement operator would need to do whatever ++i does, but it would also need to store the original value in a temporary variable and return it, which would be less performant. Regards Senthil _____________________________ My Blog | My Articles | WinMacro

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    • N Nishad S

      Hi, Is there any advantage in using ++i than i++ in simple loops? For example: for( int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { } for( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { } Which is better? Thank you. - NS -

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      Thanks for posting this question... I always use i++ but did not know it could be slower. John

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      • N Nishad S

        Hi, Is there any advantage in using ++i than i++ in simple loops? For example: for( int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { } for( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { } Which is better? Thank you. - NS -

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        Recently I have started using ++i over i++. But you must be careful with assignments. For eg: int j = ++i or i++; You must be fully aware of what you are doing. I use ++i in loops. There is a slight advantage. i++ returns the value and then increments ie j = i; i = i+1; ++i simply increments ie j = (i=i + 1);

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        • N Nishad S

          Hi, Is there any advantage in using ++i than i++ in simple loops? For example: for( int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { } for( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { } Which is better? Thank you. - NS -

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          I dont know about integeres but for objects it sure that the performance is better in ++i. U can find the reason at this link http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vccelng/htm/overl\_12.asp I did a small experiment with integers considering the loop , to test the speed but it is almost same , for bot type of increments :cool: Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com

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          • G G Haranadh

            Defenetly there is difference. ++i is faster than i++. check with the gettickcount function by calling before this code and after the code. :) Nice talking to you. :-O
            If you judge people, you have no time to love them. -- Mother Teresa

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            Nishad S
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            Thank you. - NS -

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              There's no advantage for integers like i. But if you're using an STL iterator, for example, there's a definite advantage using ++i over i++. The implementation of the postincrement operator would need to do whatever ++i does, but it would also need to store the original value in a temporary variable and return it, which would be less performant. Regards Senthil _____________________________ My Blog | My Articles | WinMacro

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              Thank you. - NS -

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                Recently I have started using ++i over i++. But you must be careful with assignments. For eg: int j = ++i or i++; You must be fully aware of what you are doing. I use ++i in loops. There is a slight advantage. i++ returns the value and then increments ie j = i; i = i+1; ++i simply increments ie j = (i=i + 1);

                Jesus Loves You and Me :)

                --Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord

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                Nishad S
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                I was also using i++. Recently changed to ++i... :) Thank you. - NS -

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                • O Owner drawn

                  Recently I have started using ++i over i++. But you must be careful with assignments. For eg: int j = ++i or i++; You must be fully aware of what you are doing. I use ++i in loops. There is a slight advantage. i++ returns the value and then increments ie j = i; i = i+1; ++i simply increments ie j = (i=i + 1);

                  Jesus Loves You and Me :)

                  --Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord

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                  Thank you. - NS -

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                    Thank you. - NS -

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                    YoU ArE MoSt WeLcOmE. ;) Nice talking to you. :-O
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                    • G G Haranadh

                      Defenetly there is difference. ++i is faster than i++. check with the gettickcount function by calling before this code and after the code. :) Nice talking to you. :-O
                      If you judge people, you have no time to love them. -- Mother Teresa

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                      G Haranadh wrote:

                      ++i is faster than i++.

                      Could you explain why? It might be a 100th of a ms faster, but other than that, I don't see why ++i would be significantly faster than i++. Regards Senthil _____________________________ My Blog | My Articles | WinMacro

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                      • N Nishad S

                        Hi, Is there any advantage in using ++i than i++ in simple loops? For example: for( int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { } for( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { } Which is better? Thank you. - NS -

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                        from the VC assembly dump.

                        10: for(i=0;i<5; i++)
                        00401028 mov dword ptr [ebp-4],0
                        0040102F jmp main+2Ah (0040103a)
                        00401031 mov eax,dword ptr [ebp-4]
                        00401034 add eax,1
                        00401037 mov dword ptr [ebp-4],eax
                        0040103A cmp dword ptr [ebp-4],5
                        0040103E jge main+3Fh (0040104f)
                        11: printf("Hello World!\n");
                        00401040 push offset string "Hello World!\n" (0042001c)
                        00401045 call printf (004010b0)
                        0040104A add esp,4
                        0040104D jmp main+21h (00401031)
                        12:
                        13: for(i=0;i<5; ++i)
                        0040104F mov dword ptr [ebp-4],0
                        00401056 jmp main+51h (00401061)
                        00401058 mov ecx,dword ptr [ebp-4]
                        0040105B add ecx,1
                        0040105E mov dword ptr [ebp-4],ecx
                        00401061 cmp dword ptr [ebp-4],5
                        00401065 jge main+66h (00401076)
                        14: printf("Hello World!\n");
                        00401067 push offset string "Hello World!\n" (0042001c)
                        0040106C call printf (004010b0)
                        00401071 add esp,4
                        00401074 jmp main+48h (00401058)

                        so clearly the code for both cases is the same. so no difference if you use the incrementor statements (pre or post) that are independent. -Prakash -Prakash

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                          from the VC assembly dump.

                          10: for(i=0;i<5; i++)
                          00401028 mov dword ptr [ebp-4],0
                          0040102F jmp main+2Ah (0040103a)
                          00401031 mov eax,dword ptr [ebp-4]
                          00401034 add eax,1
                          00401037 mov dword ptr [ebp-4],eax
                          0040103A cmp dword ptr [ebp-4],5
                          0040103E jge main+3Fh (0040104f)
                          11: printf("Hello World!\n");
                          00401040 push offset string "Hello World!\n" (0042001c)
                          00401045 call printf (004010b0)
                          0040104A add esp,4
                          0040104D jmp main+21h (00401031)
                          12:
                          13: for(i=0;i<5; ++i)
                          0040104F mov dword ptr [ebp-4],0
                          00401056 jmp main+51h (00401061)
                          00401058 mov ecx,dword ptr [ebp-4]
                          0040105B add ecx,1
                          0040105E mov dword ptr [ebp-4],ecx
                          00401061 cmp dword ptr [ebp-4],5
                          00401065 jge main+66h (00401076)
                          14: printf("Hello World!\n");
                          00401067 push offset string "Hello World!\n" (0042001c)
                          0040106C call printf (004010b0)
                          00401071 add esp,4
                          00401074 jmp main+48h (00401058)

                          so clearly the code for both cases is the same. so no difference if you use the incrementor statements (pre or post) that are independent. -Prakash -Prakash

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                          Nishad S
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                          Its amazing... I thought that post increment will cause a temporary instance for keeping the value, and then it will increment. Thank you for revealing a great mistake. - NS -

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                            Its amazing... I thought that post increment will cause a temporary instance for keeping the value, and then it will increment. Thank you for revealing a great mistake. - NS -

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                            As far as i know it will not effect the integer type but if u are using an c++ object during the increment it will effect preformance Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com

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                            • N Nishad S

                              Hi, Is there any advantage in using ++i than i++ in simple loops? For example: for( int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { } for( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { } Which is better? Thank you. - NS -

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                              Now i foudnd something that can prove ++i is better then i++. this is in the case ur passing a argument to a function in my case the fun name is add. So ++i i better as it donot create any temp variable to store . As the value is need to be incremented first . But in the late case the value have to be incremented afterwards so a temp variable is needed.. Assmebly code to prove my words U r wrong the case is vice versa Tough to Belive Assembly code to prove my observations 507: Add(++i); 004010CE mov eax,dword ptr [ebp-4] 004010D1 add eax,1 004010D4 mov dword ptr [ebp-4],eax 004010D7 mov ecx,dword ptr [ebp-4] 004010DA push ecx 004010DB call @ILT+15(Add) (00401014) 004010E0 add esp,4 508: Add(i+1); 004010E3 mov edx,dword ptr [ebp-4] 004010E6 add edx,1 004010E9 push edx 004010EA call @ILT+15(Add) (00401014) 004010EF add esp,4 506: Add(1+i); 004010CE mov eax,dword ptr [ebp-4] 004010D1 add eax,1 004010D4 push eax 004010D5 call @ILT+15(Add) (00401014) 004010DA add esp,4 507: Add(i++); 004010DD mov ecx,dword ptr [ebp-4] 004010E0 mov dword ptr [ebp-5Ch],ecx 004010E3 mov edx,dword ptr [ebp-5Ch] 004010E6 push edx 004010E7 mov eax,dword ptr [ebp-4] 004010EA add eax,1 004010ED mov dword ptr [ebp-4],eax 004010F0 call @ILT+15(Add) (00401014) 004010F5 add esp,4 I dont know but how i+1 is more effecient to pass then i++ or ++i Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com

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                              • V vikas amin

                                I dont know about integeres but for objects it sure that the performance is better in ++i. U can find the reason at this link http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vccelng/htm/overl\_12.asp I did a small experiment with integers considering the loop , to test the speed but it is almost same , for bot type of increments :cool: Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com

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                                I'd reiterate the earlier comment that you should BE VERY CAREFUL mixing ++i and i++. It's very easy to skip index 0 in situations where you pre-increment.. only to cause bugs that are sometimes subtle -- especially when dealing with interating through arrays of data. Read more of what I have to say at http://directx9.blogspot.com/

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