Oh, well thats ok then...
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Looks like its time for some even more creative hair splitting (better break out those electron microscopes) ... :rolleyes:[^] "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Just as bad when Clinton does it as when Bush does it. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Just as bad when Clinton does it as when Bush does it. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
actually, i think it proves Clinton was as great a president as Bush is. since clearly everything Bush does increases his standing with the GOP Faithful, it only stands to reason that if Clinton did the same things, that Clinton too, must be a great man. http://www.bush2004.com/images/bush_halo.gif[^] Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Looks like its time for some even more creative hair splitting (better break out those electron microscopes) ... :rolleyes:[^] "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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actually, i think it proves Clinton was as great a president as Bush is. since clearly everything Bush does increases his standing with the GOP Faithful, it only stands to reason that if Clinton did the same things, that Clinton too, must be a great man. http://www.bush2004.com/images/bush_halo.gif[^] Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Bush doesn't make mistakes. in fact, his actions continually re-define what 'correct' means. http://www.bush2004.com/images/bush_halo.gif[^] Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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So we discover that Clinton actually did something (almost) right. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to conclude that Clinton's efforts, whatever they might have been, were not enough. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that greater efforts are required. If Bush is, in fact, taking greater efforts, than he is doing the right thing by fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief. I fervently hope that is the case. The notion that our primary concern is protecting the civil liberties of every human being on the planet, and that no danger is sufficient to detract us from that single minded focus is clearly not the right thing to do. In fact, its just plain stupid. Its insane. The glaring reality continues to be that Bush haters are just Bush haters and nothing more. They are not brave defenders of civil liberties or the rights of man or anything of noble liberal purpose at all, they are just Bush haters. Nothing is more important than defeating Bush, not terrorism, not human life, nothing. That is their one and only goal, after that they have nothing to offer. They will only be happy when a socialist such as Clinton is going about doing exactly what Bush is now doing. They will turn a blind eye as they did for Clinton just so long as their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons" (ie, anyone who doesn't think precisely the way they do). "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to conclude that Clinton's efforts, whatever they might have been, were not enough. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that greater efforts are required. If Bush is, in fact, taking greater efforts, than he is doing the right thing by fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief. I fervently hope that is the case. The notion that our primary concern is protecting the civil liberties of every human being on the planet, and that no danger is sufficient to detract us from that single minded focus is clearly not the right thing to do. In fact, its just plain stupid. Its insane. The glaring reality continues to be that Bush haters are just Bush haters and nothing more. They are not brave defenders of civil liberties or the rights of man or anything of noble liberal purpose at all, they are just Bush haters. Nothing is more important than defeating Bush, not terrorism, not human life, nothing. That is their one and only goal, after that they have nothing to offer. They will only be happy when a socialist such as Clinton is going about doing exactly what Bush is now doing. They will turn a blind eye as they did for Clinton just so long as their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons" (ie, anyone who doesn't think precisely the way they do). "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons"
I drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma. It was a beautifull drive filled with great scenery, Christmas displays and American flags. The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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Stan Shannon wrote:
their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons"
I drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma. It was a beautifull drive filled with great scenery, Christmas displays and American flags. The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land
hey Mike, why don't you shove that elitist 'heart land' nonsense where the sun don't shine... Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to conclude that Clinton's efforts, whatever they might have been, were not enough. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that greater efforts are required. If Bush is, in fact, taking greater efforts, than he is doing the right thing by fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief. I fervently hope that is the case. The notion that our primary concern is protecting the civil liberties of every human being on the planet, and that no danger is sufficient to detract us from that single minded focus is clearly not the right thing to do. In fact, its just plain stupid. Its insane. The glaring reality continues to be that Bush haters are just Bush haters and nothing more. They are not brave defenders of civil liberties or the rights of man or anything of noble liberal purpose at all, they are just Bush haters. Nothing is more important than defeating Bush, not terrorism, not human life, nothing. That is their one and only goal, after that they have nothing to offer. They will only be happy when a socialist such as Clinton is going about doing exactly what Bush is now doing. They will turn a blind eye as they did for Clinton just so long as their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons" (ie, anyone who doesn't think precisely the way they do). "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Well said, Reverend.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons"
I drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma. It was a beautifull drive filled with great scenery, Christmas displays and American flags. The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma.
That is a beautiful drive. Every time I go back to Oklahoma I make a point to drive through the Ozarks. Actually, I know a lot of people in the heartland who detest Bush (the Scout Master of my son's Boy Scout troop, in fact), but I know of none who are saying "gee, we need the democrats to fix things". Invariable they want someone they consider to be a true conservative in the Whitehouse. So, yes, the heartland and the fringes are growing further and further apart culturally. I don't see it changing anytime soon. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land
hey Mike, why don't you shove that elitist 'heart land' nonsense where the sun don't shine... Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
hey Mike, why don't you shove that elitist 'heart land' nonsense where the sun don't shine...
elitist? take the same drive I did, then go back and read the crap posted here. completely out of touch with the rest of the country. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma.
That is a beautiful drive. Every time I go back to Oklahoma I make a point to drive through the Ozarks. Actually, I know a lot of people in the heartland who detest Bush (the Scout Master of my son's Boy Scout troop, in fact), but I know of none who are saying "gee, we need the democrats to fix things". Invariable they want someone they consider to be a true conservative in the Whitehouse. So, yes, the heartland and the fringes are growing further and further apart culturally. I don't see it changing anytime soon. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
I know a lot of people in the heartland who detest Bush
My brother has it in for hm for, "no child left behind" - has him spending more time teaching how to pass the tests than actual subject matter. I'm peo'd because of unnecessary spending (I'm dead set against spending my money for someone else's view of compassion) and no spending bill vetos. But I respect him for war on terror initiatives. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land
hey Mike, why don't you shove that elitist 'heart land' nonsense where the sun don't shine... Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I know a lot of people in the heartland who detest Bush
My brother has it in for hm for, "no child left behind" - has him spending more time teaching how to pass the tests than actual subject matter. I'm peo'd because of unnecessary spending (I'm dead set against spending my money for someone else's view of compassion) and no spending bill vetos. But I respect him for war on terror initiatives. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
"no child left behind"
Yeah, its difficult to defend that one from any political perspective. He certainly does not have conservative principles when it comes to the growth of big government. Still, his fiscal policies are not impeding the current economic growth we are seeing and his basic philosophy on how to confront terrorism is certainly something I support. But most of all, if his supreme court nominees turn out to be at least somewhat Scalia-esk, I can forgive everything else. The court has been the key objective of the conservative fight since the 1950's. If that is secure, the left is nothing but a hollow shell of its former self, and no longer a true threat, as the court was how it forced its political will on the nation. Without the court, the left will actually have to promote its agenda democratically, which will be suicidal for them. EDIT - or give it up altogether and go back to being the party of Kennedy and Johnson, which would be at least tolerable. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 11:35 Thursday 29th December, 2005
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Obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to conclude that Clinton's efforts, whatever they might have been, were not enough. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that greater efforts are required. If Bush is, in fact, taking greater efforts, than he is doing the right thing by fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief. I fervently hope that is the case. The notion that our primary concern is protecting the civil liberties of every human being on the planet, and that no danger is sufficient to detract us from that single minded focus is clearly not the right thing to do. In fact, its just plain stupid. Its insane. The glaring reality continues to be that Bush haters are just Bush haters and nothing more. They are not brave defenders of civil liberties or the rights of man or anything of noble liberal purpose at all, they are just Bush haters. Nothing is more important than defeating Bush, not terrorism, not human life, nothing. That is their one and only goal, after that they have nothing to offer. They will only be happy when a socialist such as Clinton is going about doing exactly what Bush is now doing. They will turn a blind eye as they did for Clinton just so long as their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons" (ie, anyone who doesn't think precisely the way they do). "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to conclude that Clinton's efforts, whatever they might have been, were not enough. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that greater efforts are required. If Bush is, in fact, taking greater efforts, than he is doing the right thing by fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief. I fervently hope that is the case.
So, if pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't put it out, then obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to pour even more gasoline.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The notion that our primary concern is protecting the civil liberties of every human being on the planet, and that no danger is sufficient to detract us from that single minded focus is clearly not the right thing to do. In fact, its just plain stupid. Its insane.
I'd be happy if we would just concentrate on protecting our own, right here in this country. The idea that a war in Iraq is necessary and that Saddam Hussein constituted a clear and present danger to this country is insane, just plain stupid, wasteful, and pointless. Unless your point is to support government contractors, in which case "mission accomplished".
Stan Shannon wrote:
The glaring reality continues to be that Bush haters are just Bush haters and nothing more. They are not brave defenders of civil liberties or the rights of man or anything of noble liberal purpose at all, they are just Bush haters. Nothing is more important than defeating Bush, not terrorism, not human life, nothing. That is their one and only goal, after that they have nothing to offer. They will only be happy when a socialist such as Clinton is going about doing exactly what Bush is now doing. They will turn a blind eye as they did for Clinton just so long as their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons" (ie, anyone who doesn't think precisely the way they do).
Bush is an idiot (have you heard the clip where he assured the questioner that warrentless wiretaps are fine, because the smart people at "NASA" are periodically reviewing them?). Many people don't like him because, in matters of economy and foreign policy -- everything but social programs, in fact -- he's about as far from conservative as you can get. As far as your continual ranting against the secularist
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to conclude that Clinton's efforts, whatever they might have been, were not enough. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that greater efforts are required. If Bush is, in fact, taking greater efforts, than he is doing the right thing by fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief. I fervently hope that is the case.
So, if pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't put it out, then obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to pour even more gasoline.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The notion that our primary concern is protecting the civil liberties of every human being on the planet, and that no danger is sufficient to detract us from that single minded focus is clearly not the right thing to do. In fact, its just plain stupid. Its insane.
I'd be happy if we would just concentrate on protecting our own, right here in this country. The idea that a war in Iraq is necessary and that Saddam Hussein constituted a clear and present danger to this country is insane, just plain stupid, wasteful, and pointless. Unless your point is to support government contractors, in which case "mission accomplished".
Stan Shannon wrote:
The glaring reality continues to be that Bush haters are just Bush haters and nothing more. They are not brave defenders of civil liberties or the rights of man or anything of noble liberal purpose at all, they are just Bush haters. Nothing is more important than defeating Bush, not terrorism, not human life, nothing. That is their one and only goal, after that they have nothing to offer. They will only be happy when a socialist such as Clinton is going about doing exactly what Bush is now doing. They will turn a blind eye as they did for Clinton just so long as their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons" (ie, anyone who doesn't think precisely the way they do).
Bush is an idiot (have you heard the clip where he assured the questioner that warrentless wiretaps are fine, because the smart people at "NASA" are periodically reviewing them?). Many people don't like him because, in matters of economy and foreign policy -- everything but social programs, in fact -- he's about as far from conservative as you can get. As far as your continual ranting against the secularist
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
So, if pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't put it out, then obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to pour even more gasoline.
The correct analogy would be that if a fire continues to burn, you probably need more water.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I'd be happy if we would just concentrate on protecting our own, right here in this country.
That is prcisely why I support the president's politices and reject those of the left. What you propose is an essentially defensive response to terrorism, allowing it to be proactive while we are reactive, and treating it as a law enforcement issue, but at the same time tieing up the government's law enforcement abilities by crying about 'police state' and loss of civil rights everytime they do something to deal with the problem. So, to be blunt, you have no solutions at all.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Bush is an idiot
If so, he is a useful idiot for my purposes.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
As far as your continual ranting against the secularist/Marxist agenda
If the basic political principles of the left, including the US democratic party, are not fundamentally predicated upon an inherently Marxist world view, then would you be so kind as to educate me on the intellectual foundation which the modern left is building upon. Give me some names, principles, ideas and ideals from which modern liberalism receives its nourishment. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Chris Losinger wrote:
hey Mike, why don't you shove that elitist 'heart land' nonsense where the sun don't shine...
elitist? take the same drive I did, then go back and read the crap posted here. completely out of touch with the rest of the country. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
completely out of touch with the rest of the country.
like i said, elitist. people on the sides of the country are every bit a part of it as the people in the middle. no Kansan or Oklahoman has any more claim to the adjective "American" than anyone else and they don't represent America any more than anyone else. only in your fucked-up elitist GOP-centric world do "red" states represent America more than the rest of the country. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Hey Chris, Why don't you take that liberal BS and shove it where the sun don't shine - You may have to remove your head first to make room.:laugh: -- modified at 11:14 Thursday 29th December, 2005
Bob Flynn wrote:
Why don't you take that liberal BS
what the fuck are you talking about ?
Bob Flynn wrote:
You may have to remove your head first to make room.
:(( oh no. now you've gone and hurt my feelings. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
completely out of touch with the rest of the country.
like i said, elitist. people on the sides of the country are every bit a part of it as the people in the middle. no Kansan or Oklahoman has any more claim to the adjective "American" than anyone else and they don't represent America any more than anyone else. only in your fucked-up elitist GOP-centric world do "red" states represent America more than the rest of the country. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
people on the sides of the country are every bit a part of it as the people in the middle
horseshit, pure and simple. we're at war and the seditous bullshit I see here from "Americans" is treason and nothing less. it is one thing to disagree, that is as American as apple pie, but it is something else all together to continously harp / bitch / piss and moan because "your" ideas and methods have been rejected twice at the polls. We have men and women whose lives are on the line, any supposed American who doesn't fully support the country during this time is no American in my view. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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Bob Flynn wrote:
Why don't you take that liberal BS
what the fuck are you talking about ?
Bob Flynn wrote:
You may have to remove your head first to make room.
:(( oh no. now you've gone and hurt my feelings. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life. If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing. Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent. You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing. Correct me if I am wrong. Tell me about the personal sacrifice that you have made even once in your life for the benefit or even potential benefit of someone other than your self. Then I will accept you righteous opinions as something other than liberal BS.
