Oh, well thats ok then...
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Bob Flynn wrote:
Why don't you take that liberal BS
what the fuck are you talking about ?
Bob Flynn wrote:
You may have to remove your head first to make room.
:(( oh no. now you've gone and hurt my feelings. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life. If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing. Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent. You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing. Correct me if I am wrong. Tell me about the personal sacrifice that you have made even once in your life for the benefit or even potential benefit of someone other than your self. Then I will accept you righteous opinions as something other than liberal BS.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
people on the sides of the country are every bit a part of it as the people in the middle
horseshit, pure and simple. we're at war and the seditous bullshit I see here from "Americans" is treason and nothing less. it is one thing to disagree, that is as American as apple pie, but it is something else all together to continously harp / bitch / piss and moan because "your" ideas and methods have been rejected twice at the polls. We have men and women whose lives are on the line, any supposed American who doesn't fully support the country during this time is no American in my view. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
we're at war and the seditous bull**** I see here from "Americans" is treason and nothing less.
say the word, and i'll give you my address and phone number so you can call The Authorities on me. i would love to defend myself in court against the likes of you and your jingoist bretheren. and you gotta take me up on the offer, because if you don't then you're assisting this "treason", and that makes you every bit as guilty as those you're covering for. so put up or shut up. (unless you're just ranting like a fool, of course) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 14:35 Thursday 29th December, 2005
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What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life. If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing. Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent. You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing. Correct me if I am wrong. Tell me about the personal sacrifice that you have made even once in your life for the benefit or even potential benefit of someone other than your self. Then I will accept you righteous opinions as something other than liberal BS.
Bob Flynn wrote:
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life.
duh. "our way of life" includes the things Bush (with an assist from Clinton, if you insist) is eroding.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Tell me about the personal sacrifice that you have made even once in your life for the benefit or even potential benefit of someone other than your self.
go find my tax records and look up the charitable contributions i've made. once you've done that, please calculate the amount of protesting i'm legally allowed to participate in. i'll be sure to stay within the proscribed limits. (hmmm... i wonder where the goalposts are going to go now) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Bob Flynn wrote:
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life.
duh. "our way of life" includes the things Bush (with an assist from Clinton, if you insist) is eroding.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Tell me about the personal sacrifice that you have made even once in your life for the benefit or even potential benefit of someone other than your self.
go find my tax records and look up the charitable contributions i've made. once you've done that, please calculate the amount of protesting i'm legally allowed to participate in. i'll be sure to stay within the proscribed limits. (hmmm... i wonder where the goalposts are going to go now) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
I guess you would rather wait until Americans have to worry about roadside bombs willing driving to the grocery store or work, children being killed while playing, intermittent electricity preventing you from sharing your complaints about why the Pres did not do more to stop these problems. Unless it is found that Bush performed these wiretaps for personal gain (i.e. political or financial) then I do not think he violated the intentent of the broad powers given to the president.
Chris Losinger wrote:
go find my tax records and look up the charitable contributions i've made.
And how has this been a sacrifice for you? I guess the HDTV will have to wait longer now - huh?
Chris Losinger wrote:
please calculate the amount of protesting i'm legally allowed to participate in.
That is exactly what I am talking about. You enjoy a very comfortable life, provide to you by the ones that came before us and fought for the ability to have these rights. And there you sit criticizing the means that are taken to secure those rights for the next generations.
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I guess you would rather wait until Americans have to worry about roadside bombs willing driving to the grocery store or work, children being killed while playing, intermittent electricity preventing you from sharing your complaints about why the Pres did not do more to stop these problems. Unless it is found that Bush performed these wiretaps for personal gain (i.e. political or financial) then I do not think he violated the intentent of the broad powers given to the president.
Chris Losinger wrote:
go find my tax records and look up the charitable contributions i've made.
And how has this been a sacrifice for you? I guess the HDTV will have to wait longer now - huh?
Chris Losinger wrote:
please calculate the amount of protesting i'm legally allowed to participate in.
That is exactly what I am talking about. You enjoy a very comfortable life, provide to you by the ones that came before us and fought for the ability to have these rights. And there you sit criticizing the means that are taken to secure those rights for the next generations.
Bob Flynn wrote:
I guess you would rather wait until Americans ..[blah blah blah]
sounds like the two of you have a pretty interesting converstaion going on. but do you mind if i cut in ?
Bob Flynn wrote:
And how has this been a sacrifice for you?
right. the goalposts are now over...here. but, go right ahead, find my tax records and calculate the amount of free speech i'm allowed by law. take your time, i'll wait. and if you can cite the relevant sections of law you used to do those calculations, that'd be great.
Bob Flynn wrote:
You enjoy a very comfortable life, provide to you by the ones that came before us and fought for the ability to have these rights.
including those who fought to preserve our civil rights over the wishes of those who would prefer the government have unimpeded power over us.
Bob Flynn wrote:
And there you sit criticizing the means that are taken to secure those rights for the next generations.
when those "means" inpinge on what they claim to protect, it's time to reevaluate them. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we're at war and the seditous bull**** I see here from "Americans" is treason and nothing less.
say the word, and i'll give you my address and phone number so you can call The Authorities on me. i would love to defend myself in court against the likes of you and your jingoist bretheren. and you gotta take me up on the offer, because if you don't then you're assisting this "treason", and that makes you every bit as guilty as those you're covering for. so put up or shut up. (unless you're just ranting like a fool, of course) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 14:35 Thursday 29th December, 2005
Chris Losinger wrote:
unless you're just ranting like a fool, of course
no Chris, I'll leave that to you as usual. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life. If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing. Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent. You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing. Correct me if I am wrong. Tell me about the personal sacrifice that you have made even once in your life for the benefit or even potential benefit of someone other than your self. Then I will accept you righteous opinions as something other than liberal BS.
(I'm responding because in a way I feel it's also directed at me.)
Bob Flynn wrote:
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life.
What about our leader's propensity for f*cking up those things that didn't need to be done to protect our way of life. Can we complain about that, please, oh please?
Bob Flynn wrote:
If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing.
So are we only allowed to discuss the good things? My my, you'd make a great North Korean citizen.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent.
Huh? I think most of us exercise our right to remain silent much more than you think. This administration is worthy of much more bashing than what I see on this board. I just think that after a while it gets old -- "Oh man, there they go again... *sigh*".
Bob Flynn wrote:
You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing.
How do you know? And what do you do on this board? You defend this administration like it's perfect. Wake the f*ck up! We critize the government because we don't want it to suck! We genuinely care! We want to have the best government in the world -- one we can be proud to have elected. It's not a right vs left thing. It's a common sense thing. We want good leaders. That's all. And this is a general discussion board -- where people openly come and express their views about anything. If you don't like what you hear, do something about it. You're free to create your own "Bob Worships Bush" board where you can censor people who say what you don't want to hear.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
unless you're just ranting like a fool, of course
no Chris, I'll leave that to you as usual. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
you just made a claim of a capital crime. you'd better back that shit up, or people are gonna think you're just full of hot air. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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(I'm responding because in a way I feel it's also directed at me.)
Bob Flynn wrote:
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life.
What about our leader's propensity for f*cking up those things that didn't need to be done to protect our way of life. Can we complain about that, please, oh please?
Bob Flynn wrote:
If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing.
So are we only allowed to discuss the good things? My my, you'd make a great North Korean citizen.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent.
Huh? I think most of us exercise our right to remain silent much more than you think. This administration is worthy of much more bashing than what I see on this board. I just think that after a while it gets old -- "Oh man, there they go again... *sigh*".
Bob Flynn wrote:
You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing.
How do you know? And what do you do on this board? You defend this administration like it's perfect. Wake the f*ck up! We critize the government because we don't want it to suck! We genuinely care! We want to have the best government in the world -- one we can be proud to have elected. It's not a right vs left thing. It's a common sense thing. We want good leaders. That's all. And this is a general discussion board -- where people openly come and express their views about anything. If you don't like what you hear, do something about it. You're free to create your own "Bob Worships Bush" board where you can censor people who say what you don't want to hear.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Wake the f*ck up! We critize the government because we don't want it to suck! We genuinely care! We want to have the best government in the world -- one we can be proud to have elected. It's not a right vs left thing. It's a common sense thing. We want good leaders. That's all.
bravo. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
So, if pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't put it out, then obviously, any clear thinking person would be compelled to pour even more gasoline.
The correct analogy would be that if a fire continues to burn, you probably need more water.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I'd be happy if we would just concentrate on protecting our own, right here in this country.
That is prcisely why I support the president's politices and reject those of the left. What you propose is an essentially defensive response to terrorism, allowing it to be proactive while we are reactive, and treating it as a law enforcement issue, but at the same time tieing up the government's law enforcement abilities by crying about 'police state' and loss of civil rights everytime they do something to deal with the problem. So, to be blunt, you have no solutions at all.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Bush is an idiot
If so, he is a useful idiot for my purposes.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
As far as your continual ranting against the secularist/Marxist agenda
If the basic political principles of the left, including the US democratic party, are not fundamentally predicated upon an inherently Marxist world view, then would you be so kind as to educate me on the intellectual foundation which the modern left is building upon. Give me some names, principles, ideas and ideals from which modern liberalism receives its nourishment. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
The correct analogy would be that if a fire continues to burn, you probably need more water.
Your analogy comprehension skills need a little work.
Stan Shannon wrote:
That is prcisely why I support the president's politices and reject those of the left. What you propose is an essentially defensive response to terrorism, allowing it to be proactive while we are reactive, and treating it as a law enforcement issue, but at the same time tieing up the government's law enforcement abilities by crying about 'police state' and loss of civil rights everytime they do something to deal with the problem. So, to be blunt, you have no solutions at all.
No, I'm saying that the President's policies aren't doing jack to protect us. I've said before that targeted action overseas -- perhaps against actual terrorists and the countries that produce them -- would make more sense than what this jackass is doing. As for his actions at home, this borrow-and-spend "conservative" administration has run the deficit up while building a giant, ineffective, undertrained bureaucracy implementing a host of nonsensical policies (searching grandmothers and toddlers, shoe inspections!!?!) that don't address the problem, and overlooking simple things like hardening access to the flight deck and beefing up the sky marshal program. Much money spent, with what results? USA PATRIOT is being used to nab minor drug dealers, while we have the government's unverifiable, undocumented word that they have stopped some suspected terrorists, somewhere, from maybe doing something? Gee, I feel so much safer.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If the basic political principles of the left, including the US democratic party, are not fundamentally predicated upon an inherently Marxist world view, then would you be so kind as to educate me on the intellectual foundation which the modern left is building upon. Give me some names, principles, ideas and ideals from which modern liberalism receives its nourishment.
I'm not a leftist -- certainly not as you would define the term -- but as for the political principles of the left in the US, they're the same as the right, with just a bit more social conservatism (the non-panderers among them do not want to turn the USA into a Christian religious state), and, at the moment a bit more fiscal conservatism as well. But I don't give a major
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Bob Flynn wrote:
I guess you would rather wait until Americans ..[blah blah blah]
sounds like the two of you have a pretty interesting converstaion going on. but do you mind if i cut in ?
Bob Flynn wrote:
And how has this been a sacrifice for you?
right. the goalposts are now over...here. but, go right ahead, find my tax records and calculate the amount of free speech i'm allowed by law. take your time, i'll wait. and if you can cite the relevant sections of law you used to do those calculations, that'd be great.
Bob Flynn wrote:
You enjoy a very comfortable life, provide to you by the ones that came before us and fought for the ability to have these rights.
including those who fought to preserve our civil rights over the wishes of those who would prefer the government have unimpeded power over us.
Bob Flynn wrote:
And there you sit criticizing the means that are taken to secure those rights for the next generations.
when those "means" inpinge on what they claim to protect, it's time to reevaluate them. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
sounds like the two of you have a pretty interesting converstaion going on. but do you mind if i cut in ?
Your wit is just astonishing.
Chris Losinger wrote:
right. the goalposts are now over...here. but, go right ahead, find my tax records and calculate the amount of free speech i'm allowed by law. take your time, i'll wait. and if you can cite the relevant sections of law you used to do those calculations, that'd be great.
Another example of wit and complete idiocy. Who said you did not have the right to speak? I only said that should should chose to exercise your right to silence a little more. That should give some much need time to think before you comment.
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(I'm responding because in a way I feel it's also directed at me.)
Bob Flynn wrote:
What I am talking about is your propensity to complain about the things that have to be done in order to protect our way of life.
What about our leader's propensity for f*cking up those things that didn't need to be done to protect our way of life. Can we complain about that, please, oh please?
Bob Flynn wrote:
If you think so many things are so wrong, stop complaining about it and do something, become a leader in the military or government and do something other than criticize what others are doing.
So are we only allowed to discuss the good things? My my, you'd make a great North Korean citizen.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Just because you have the right to complain about anything and everything does not mean that you should ignore your right to remain silent.
Huh? I think most of us exercise our right to remain silent much more than you think. This administration is worthy of much more bashing than what I see on this board. I just think that after a while it gets old -- "Oh man, there they go again... *sigh*".
Bob Flynn wrote:
You sit in your little online world criticizing but doing nothing.
How do you know? And what do you do on this board? You defend this administration like it's perfect. Wake the f*ck up! We critize the government because we don't want it to suck! We genuinely care! We want to have the best government in the world -- one we can be proud to have elected. It's not a right vs left thing. It's a common sense thing. We want good leaders. That's all. And this is a general discussion board -- where people openly come and express their views about anything. If you don't like what you hear, do something about it. You're free to create your own "Bob Worships Bush" board where you can censor people who say what you don't want to hear.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
(I'm responding because in a way I feel it's also directed at me.)
A little paranoid are we?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
So are we only allowed to discuss the good things?
Too much talk. Not enough action. Get off your keyboard and take action. Or are you happy just to complain?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
And what do you do on this board? You defend this administration like it's perfect.
No, I simply get tired of the one-sided atitude the Bush is always wrong. It is pathetic. Just for review, I actually have reason to dis-like Bush for his mistakes - I got to suspend my life for over a year to play in his war to rid Saddam of WMD, only to find that there was no WMD. Unfortunately Bush was still the best candidate that our country could produce. So I do not defend this administration, I simply challenge you to take action rather than just complain on a message board that will have absolutely no affect on any of these issues.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
sounds like the two of you have a pretty interesting converstaion going on. but do you mind if i cut in ?
Your wit is just astonishing.
Chris Losinger wrote:
right. the goalposts are now over...here. but, go right ahead, find my tax records and calculate the amount of free speech i'm allowed by law. take your time, i'll wait. and if you can cite the relevant sections of law you used to do those calculations, that'd be great.
Another example of wit and complete idiocy. Who said you did not have the right to speak? I only said that should should chose to exercise your right to silence a little more. That should give some much need time to think before you comment.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Who said you did not have the right to speak?
nobody - that's another conversation you're having by yourself. but you certainly seem to be demanding that i contribute to something (something you approve of, of course) in order to pay for the privilege of exercising it. and i still don't know WTF you meant by "Why don't you take that liberal BS..." . what "liberal BS" are you talking about ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 21:28 Thursday 29th December, 2005
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
(I'm responding because in a way I feel it's also directed at me.)
A little paranoid are we?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
So are we only allowed to discuss the good things?
Too much talk. Not enough action. Get off your keyboard and take action. Or are you happy just to complain?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
And what do you do on this board? You defend this administration like it's perfect.
No, I simply get tired of the one-sided atitude the Bush is always wrong. It is pathetic. Just for review, I actually have reason to dis-like Bush for his mistakes - I got to suspend my life for over a year to play in his war to rid Saddam of WMD, only to find that there was no WMD. Unfortunately Bush was still the best candidate that our country could produce. So I do not defend this administration, I simply challenge you to take action rather than just complain on a message board that will have absolutely no affect on any of these issues.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Too much talk. Not enough action. Get off your keyboard and take action. Or are you happy just to complain?
Nope, I'd like to do more, but the election is 3 years away.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Just for review, I actually have reason to dis-like Bush for his mistakes - I got to suspend my life for over a year to play in his war to rid Saddam of WMD, only to find that there was no WMD. Unfortunately Bush was still the best candidate that our country could produce.
That sounded like a complaint. Get off your keyboard and take action! :rolleyes:
Bob Flynn wrote:
I simply challenge you to take action rather than just complain on a message board that will have absolutely no affect on any of these issues.
Complaining is action. It's a way to vent frustrations and to bring awareness to those who care enough to do something about it when the next election finally comes.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
(I'm responding because in a way I feel it's also directed at me.)
A little paranoid are we?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
So are we only allowed to discuss the good things?
Too much talk. Not enough action. Get off your keyboard and take action. Or are you happy just to complain?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
And what do you do on this board? You defend this administration like it's perfect.
No, I simply get tired of the one-sided atitude the Bush is always wrong. It is pathetic. Just for review, I actually have reason to dis-like Bush for his mistakes - I got to suspend my life for over a year to play in his war to rid Saddam of WMD, only to find that there was no WMD. Unfortunately Bush was still the best candidate that our country could produce. So I do not defend this administration, I simply challenge you to take action rather than just complain on a message board that will have absolutely no affect on any of these issues.
Bob Flynn wrote:
Too much talk. Not enough action. Get off your keyboard and take action. Or are you happy just to complain?
Does that mean we'll be seeing less of you around here in the future? A whole lot less??? At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
their precious little secularist/Marxist agenda is being implemented uninhibited by evil "neo-cons"
I drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma. It was a beautifull drive filled with great scenery, Christmas displays and American flags. The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I drove to Texas for the Christmas holiday and drove a route that took me from Indy to ST. Louis, then ST. Louis to Dallas through the Ozarks and Oklahoma. It was a beautifull drive filled with great scenery, Christmas displays and American flags. The crap you see spewed here by the mindless (well, by folks incapable of critical thought and analysis) will stay trapped on either coast, doesn't have a chance in the heart land.
Ah, yes. The heart land: http://thechrisproject.com/images/map_nowvsthen.jpg[^] John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Bob Flynn wrote:
Who said you did not have the right to speak?
nobody - that's another conversation you're having by yourself. but you certainly seem to be demanding that i contribute to something (something you approve of, of course) in order to pay for the privilege of exercising it. and i still don't know WTF you meant by "Why don't you take that liberal BS..." . what "liberal BS" are you talking about ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 21:28 Thursday 29th December, 2005
Chris Losinger wrote:
nobody - that's another conversation you're having by yourself.
You are the only one that keeps repeating that statement.
Chris Losinger wrote:
but you certainly seem to be demanding that i contribute to something (something you approve of, of course) in order to pay for the privilege of exercising it.
Wrong again. I said do more than JUST talk.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The correct analogy would be that if a fire continues to burn, you probably need more water.
Your analogy comprehension skills need a little work.
Stan Shannon wrote:
That is prcisely why I support the president's politices and reject those of the left. What you propose is an essentially defensive response to terrorism, allowing it to be proactive while we are reactive, and treating it as a law enforcement issue, but at the same time tieing up the government's law enforcement abilities by crying about 'police state' and loss of civil rights everytime they do something to deal with the problem. So, to be blunt, you have no solutions at all.
No, I'm saying that the President's policies aren't doing jack to protect us. I've said before that targeted action overseas -- perhaps against actual terrorists and the countries that produce them -- would make more sense than what this jackass is doing. As for his actions at home, this borrow-and-spend "conservative" administration has run the deficit up while building a giant, ineffective, undertrained bureaucracy implementing a host of nonsensical policies (searching grandmothers and toddlers, shoe inspections!!?!) that don't address the problem, and overlooking simple things like hardening access to the flight deck and beefing up the sky marshal program. Much money spent, with what results? USA PATRIOT is being used to nab minor drug dealers, while we have the government's unverifiable, undocumented word that they have stopped some suspected terrorists, somewhere, from maybe doing something? Gee, I feel so much safer.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If the basic political principles of the left, including the US democratic party, are not fundamentally predicated upon an inherently Marxist world view, then would you be so kind as to educate me on the intellectual foundation which the modern left is building upon. Give me some names, principles, ideas and ideals from which modern liberalism receives its nourishment.
I'm not a leftist -- certainly not as you would define the term -- but as for the political principles of the left in the US, they're the same as the right, with just a bit more social conservatism (the non-panderers among them do not want to turn the USA into a Christian religious state), and, at the moment a bit more fiscal conservatism as well. But I don't give a major
vincent.reynolds wrote:
Your analogy comprehension skills need a little work.
And your analogy suggest that we are the ones responsible for the fire in the first place. The only possible explanation for such a view is that somehow our culture is inherently flawed due to its commitment to the principles of capitalism and christianity - all of which suggests an inherently Marxist world view.
vincent.reynolds wrote:
No, I'm saying that the President's policies aren't doing jack to protect us.
There is absolutely no possible way for you to know that.
vincent.reynolds wrote:
I've said before that targeted action overseas -- perhaps against actual terrorists and the countries that produce them -- would make more sense than what this jackass is doing.
Targeted? You mean like with cruise missiles? So we are supposed to individually hunt down each terrorist and blow him up? Of course since every single country in the middle east is producing terrorists, and since you also do not know who the terrorists are until they have actually killed people, that is going to be one hell of a project. Yeah, thats what a really smart president would be doing - waiting for people to die and than sending cruise missiles into every single country in the middle east - wow, are you smart er whut?
vincent.reynolds wrote:
As for his actions at home, this borrow-and-spend "conservative" administration has run the deficit up while building a giant, ineffective, undertrained bureaucracy implementing a host of nonsensical policies (searching grandmothers and toddlers, shoe inspections!!?!) that don't address the problem, and overlooking simple things like hardening access to the flight deck and beefing up the sky marshal program. Much money spent, with what results? USA PATRIOT is being used to nab minor drug dealers, while we have the government's unverifiable, undocumented word that they have stopped some suspected terrorists, somewhere, from maybe doing something? Gee, I feel so much safer.
Any effective anti-terrorist effort by any president is going to have similar characteristics. There is simple no such thing as a perfect method for conducting such operations. To expect it is either lunacy or a political ploy calculated precisely to win the next election.
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vincent.reynolds wrote:
Your analogy comprehension skills need a little work.
And your analogy suggest that we are the ones responsible for the fire in the first place. The only possible explanation for such a view is that somehow our culture is inherently flawed due to its commitment to the principles of capitalism and christianity - all of which suggests an inherently Marxist world view.
vincent.reynolds wrote:
No, I'm saying that the President's policies aren't doing jack to protect us.
There is absolutely no possible way for you to know that.
vincent.reynolds wrote:
I've said before that targeted action overseas -- perhaps against actual terrorists and the countries that produce them -- would make more sense than what this jackass is doing.
Targeted? You mean like with cruise missiles? So we are supposed to individually hunt down each terrorist and blow him up? Of course since every single country in the middle east is producing terrorists, and since you also do not know who the terrorists are until they have actually killed people, that is going to be one hell of a project. Yeah, thats what a really smart president would be doing - waiting for people to die and than sending cruise missiles into every single country in the middle east - wow, are you smart er whut?
vincent.reynolds wrote:
As for his actions at home, this borrow-and-spend "conservative" administration has run the deficit up while building a giant, ineffective, undertrained bureaucracy implementing a host of nonsensical policies (searching grandmothers and toddlers, shoe inspections!!?!) that don't address the problem, and overlooking simple things like hardening access to the flight deck and beefing up the sky marshal program. Much money spent, with what results? USA PATRIOT is being used to nab minor drug dealers, while we have the government's unverifiable, undocumented word that they have stopped some suspected terrorists, somewhere, from maybe doing something? Gee, I feel so much safer.
Any effective anti-terrorist effort by any president is going to have similar characteristics. There is simple no such thing as a perfect method for conducting such operations. To expect it is either lunacy or a political ploy calculated precisely to win the next election.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And your analogy suggest that we are the ones responsible for the fire in the first place. The only possible explanation for such a view is that somehow our culture is inherently flawed due to its commitment to the principles of capitalism and christianity - all of which suggests an inherently Marxist world view.
No. I didn't mention who started the fire, just that we're attempting to put it out by pouring gasoline on it instead of water. I stand by my assessment of your analogy comprehension skills.
Stan Shannon wrote:
There is absolutely no possible way for you to know that.
They could offer evidence. Are you willing to accept the word of our government, without question or oversight? If so, then you're a sorry excuse for a patriot.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Targeted? You mean like with cruise missiles? So we are supposed to individually hunt down each terrorist and blow him up? Of course since every single country in the middle east is producing terrorists, and since you also do not know who the terrorists are until they have actually killed people, that is going to be one hell of a project. Yeah, thats what a really smart president would be doing - waiting for people to die and than sending cruise missiles into every single country in the middle east - wow, are you smart er whut?
That's every country in the Middle East except Iraq, the country we invaded. Any crime based on ideology -- even Republicans stealing elections, in theory -- could be fought first by removing the people who are inciting the perpetrators. Find evidence of a conspiracy and you can prevent the crime.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Any effective anti-terrorist effort by any president is going to have similar characteristics. There is simple no such thing as a perfect method for conducting such operations. To expect it is either lunacy or a political ploy calculated precisely to win the next election.
If you think the current methods are the only way, you're not listening or thinking. Besides, I'm not asking for perfect; I'm just asking for demonstrably effective.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Consider this, there are only two great political philosophies from which currnent political systems derive. One is that of John Locke and Adam Smith, via the
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Chris Losinger wrote:
nobody - that's another conversation you're having by yourself.
You are the only one that keeps repeating that statement.
Chris Losinger wrote:
but you certainly seem to be demanding that i contribute to something (something you approve of, of course) in order to pay for the privilege of exercising it.
Wrong again. I said do more than JUST talk.
Bob Flynn wrote:
You are the only one that keeps repeating that statement
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