Could he become the next US president?
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I think a system that tends to encourage a two party system is generally to be preferred to one that doesn't. That doesn't mean I think its perfect and doesn't need an occassioanl shake up. McCain might well be the person to do that. I hope he tries. Having unlimited parties that allow any extremist group to participate in politica process should be avoided at all costs, IMO. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
It's either going to be finite or infinite. If you make it finite, then whoever's putting in the money is going to control the candidate. If you make it infinite and anybody can run, then you'd better make sure that they don't run on endorsements, otherwise we're back to were we started. It's kinda like saying let the biggest companies in the US employ the president. Not that I don't think the position of the president and everyone else under him/her shouldn't be elligible for termination if they're not up to par on doing their job. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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I think a system that tends to encourage a two party system is generally to be preferred to one that doesn't. That doesn't mean I think its perfect and doesn't need an occassioanl shake up. McCain might well be the person to do that. I hope he tries. Having unlimited parties that allow any extremist group to participate in politica process should be avoided at all costs, IMO. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
So the first amendment shouldn't allow shouting "Marxism" in a crowded election...
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It's either going to be finite or infinite. If you make it finite, then whoever's putting in the money is going to control the candidate. If you make it infinite and anybody can run, then you'd better make sure that they don't run on endorsements, otherwise we're back to were we started. It's kinda like saying let the biggest companies in the US employ the president. Not that I don't think the position of the president and everyone else under him/her shouldn't be elligible for termination if they're not up to par on doing their job. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
I think the argument that multiparty system are somehow inherently less influenced by corruption than two party systems is weak. What gets corrupted is the power that is controlled after the election, and monied interests will always find a way to corrupt power regardless of how elections are conducted. The notion that you are going to reduce it by how you elect the people who hold the power is simplistic. You need a good systm in place to uncover it when it exists, and less political power to be corrupted in the first place. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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No, not Abramoff. The other one.[^]
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As has already been opined, McCain would not / will not make it through the primary process. He may have been a decent president had he beaten GWB the first time but he is absolutely not thye man for today: The circumstances that make him a hero (POW) make him weaker than he needs to be in today's world climate. He (my opinion) has delusions of granduer believeing that being a war time pilot and POW somehow gives him military insight greater than that of the generals who actually run the military - the equivalent of an elevator operator believing he can run the Otis Elevator Company. Far too willing to play politics and compromise. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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So the first amendment shouldn't allow shouting "Marxism" in a crowded election...
Nothing to do with the first amendment in that regard. Any trully free democratic system will naturally gravitate towards a two party system, simply becasue, by definition, most voters are in the center. All political extremes will naturally collapse into one another until finally there are just two highly compromised choices for the voters to examine. The reason it often looks as though we only have one party is because we have one center that both parties must pander to. The only way the extremes can have equal access is by means of government intervention to protect their existence. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 13:11 Thursday 5th January, 2006
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As has already been opined, McCain would not / will not make it through the primary process. He may have been a decent president had he beaten GWB the first time but he is absolutely not thye man for today: The circumstances that make him a hero (POW) make him weaker than he needs to be in today's world climate. He (my opinion) has delusions of granduer believeing that being a war time pilot and POW somehow gives him military insight greater than that of the generals who actually run the military - the equivalent of an elevator operator believing he can run the Otis Elevator Company. Far too willing to play politics and compromise. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Mike Gaskey wrote:
being a war time pilot and POW somehow gives him military insight greater than that of the generals who actually run the military
Better than Bush who used daddy's influence to get into a National Guard unit that was never going to Viet Nam and then spending most of his time AWOL on political outings and partying. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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I think the argument that multiparty system are somehow inherently less influenced by corruption than two party systems is weak. What gets corrupted is the power that is controlled after the election, and monied interests will always find a way to corrupt power regardless of how elections are conducted. The notion that you are going to reduce it by how you elect the people who hold the power is simplistic. You need a good systm in place to uncover it when it exists, and less political power to be corrupted in the first place. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
and less political power to be corrupted in the first place
I think that's a big key. Keeping gov't control to a minimum can only help decrease the likelihood of corruption. BW
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Yes. Yes, I could. "we must lose precision to make significant statements about complex systems." -deKorvin on uncertainty
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
being a war time pilot and POW somehow gives him military insight greater than that of the generals who actually run the military
Better than Bush who used daddy's influence to get into a National Guard unit that was never going to Viet Nam and then spending most of his time AWOL on political outings and partying. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote:
At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe
and you've provided ample proof Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year -- modified at 15:39 Thursday 5th January, 2006
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
being a war time pilot and POW somehow gives him military insight greater than that of the generals who actually run the military
Better than Bush who used daddy's influence to get into a National Guard unit that was never going to Viet Nam and then spending most of his time AWOL on political outings and partying. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote:
Better than Bush who used daddy's influence to get into a National Guard unit that was never going to Viet Nam and then spending most of his time AWOL on political outings and partying.
This is so wrong. Bush was never AWOL. When he asked to go to Alabama and help with Campaigning, the Air Guard was trying to get rid of it's overflow of pilots. Vietnam was winding down and going to Alabama was doing the TANG a favor. It worked out for both parties. This story has been beat to death. Ask Dan Rather about it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Tim Craig wrote:
Better than Bush who used daddy's influence to get into a National Guard unit that was never going to Viet Nam and then spending most of his time AWOL on political outings and partying.
This is so wrong. Bush was never AWOL. When he asked to go to Alabama and help with Campaigning, the Air Guard was trying to get rid of it's overflow of pilots. Vietnam was winding down and going to Alabama was doing the TANG a favor. It worked out for both parties. This story has been beat to death. Ask Dan Rather about it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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kgaddy wrote:
My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Did your mum really tell you that? I pitty you if you grew up with that kind of attitude from your parents.
Josh Gray wrote:
Did your mum really tell you that? I pitty you if you grew up with that kind of attitude from your parents.
Yes she did. I had the best childhood. My mom did not tolerate any of us fighting unless we had to defend ourselves. I was told that when I did not defend myself at school with a older kid. He was from Mexico. And she was right. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Josh Gray wrote:
Did your mum really tell you that? I pitty you if you grew up with that kind of attitude from your parents.
Yes she did. I had the best childhood. My mom did not tolerate any of us fighting unless we had to defend ourselves. I was told that when I did not defend myself at school with a older kid. He was from Mexico. And she was right. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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You poor bastard. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
You poor bastard.
Tell me, does your parents reak of poculi and like to sing folk songs by the campfire? And do you understand what an asskicking is? Find me one person who does not understand that. I can also show you may people who do not understand how to live with one another in peace, but I guarantee you they understand an asskicking. Wise woman my mom was. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Josh Gray wrote:
You poor bastard.
Tell me, does your parents reak of poculi and like to sing folk songs by the campfire? And do you understand what an asskicking is? Find me one person who does not understand that. I can also show you may people who do not understand how to live with one another in peace, but I guarantee you they understand an asskicking. Wise woman my mom was. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
reak of poculi
Dont know what that is but generally they smell pretty ok. My Dad could break wind with the best though.
kgaddy wrote:
sing folk songs
My Dad was know to sing along to Bob Dylan and Neil Young a lot. Bob Dylan is a Great American.
kgaddy wrote:
by the campfire
We went camping a lot.
kgaddy wrote:
And do you understand what an asskicking is?
I have never been beaten if thats what you mean. I have only ever punched one guy in my life. He was drunk and touching my girl friend. Its not something I am proud of. He bled a lot.
kgaddy wrote:
Wise woman my mom was.
I bet she was beaten as a child and probably by your drunken father too. Want to continue?
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kgaddy wrote:
reak of poculi
Dont know what that is but generally they smell pretty ok. My Dad could break wind with the best though.
kgaddy wrote:
sing folk songs
My Dad was know to sing along to Bob Dylan and Neil Young a lot. Bob Dylan is a Great American.
kgaddy wrote:
by the campfire
We went camping a lot.
kgaddy wrote:
And do you understand what an asskicking is?
I have never been beaten if thats what you mean. I have only ever punched one guy in my life. He was drunk and touching my girl friend. Its not something I am proud of. He bled a lot.
kgaddy wrote:
Wise woman my mom was.
I bet she was beaten as a child and probably by your drunken father too. Want to continue?
Josh Gray wrote:
reak of poculi
If you were to smell it, look aound for the hippies.
Josh Gray wrote:
My Dad was know to sing along to Bob Dylan and Neil Young a lot. Bob Dylan is a Great American.
Sounds about right.
Josh Gray wrote:
I have never been beaten if thats what you mean. I have only ever punched one guy in my life. He was drunk and touching my girl friend. Its not something I am proud of. He bled a lot.
Good for you. You probably grew up in an are where you didn't confront any street violence. But, when it came down to it, you did what you had to do. I'm sure that drunk guy you not respond to any amount of reason you may have tried to throw at him.
Josh Gray wrote:
I bet she was beaten as a child and probably by your drunken father too. Want to continue?
Well, I guess the civility has gone south in this conversation. My father didnt drink and my grandfather was a quite, peaceful, and caring man. But I guess you try to insult people you do not understand, or who are not like yourself. So much for that caring diversity loving trait that hippies are known for. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Josh Gray wrote:
reak of poculi
If you were to smell it, look aound for the hippies.
Josh Gray wrote:
My Dad was know to sing along to Bob Dylan and Neil Young a lot. Bob Dylan is a Great American.
Sounds about right.
Josh Gray wrote:
I have never been beaten if thats what you mean. I have only ever punched one guy in my life. He was drunk and touching my girl friend. Its not something I am proud of. He bled a lot.
Good for you. You probably grew up in an are where you didn't confront any street violence. But, when it came down to it, you did what you had to do. I'm sure that drunk guy you not respond to any amount of reason you may have tried to throw at him.
Josh Gray wrote:
I bet she was beaten as a child and probably by your drunken father too. Want to continue?
Well, I guess the civility has gone south in this conversation. My father didnt drink and my grandfather was a quite, peaceful, and caring man. But I guess you try to insult people you do not understand, or who are not like yourself. So much for that caring diversity loving trait that hippies are known for. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Good for you. You probably grew up in an are where you didn't confront any street violence. But, when it came down to it, you did what you had to do. I'm sure that drunk guy you not respond to any amount of reason you may have tried to throw at him.
No I was young and had something to prove. We could have just walked away.
kgaddy wrote:
Well, I guess the civility has gone south in this conversation. My father didnt drink and my grandfather was a quite, peaceful, and caring man. But I guess you try to insult people you do not understand, or who are not like yourself. So much for that caring diversity loving trait that hippies are known for.
You came out with the hippy campfire thing that was intended to be insulting but actually not at all. BTW Your Mum is a shitty screw. More? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
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kgaddy wrote:
Good for you. You probably grew up in an are where you didn't confront any street violence. But, when it came down to it, you did what you had to do. I'm sure that drunk guy you not respond to any amount of reason you may have tried to throw at him.
No I was young and had something to prove. We could have just walked away.
kgaddy wrote:
Well, I guess the civility has gone south in this conversation. My father didnt drink and my grandfather was a quite, peaceful, and caring man. But I guess you try to insult people you do not understand, or who are not like yourself. So much for that caring diversity loving trait that hippies are known for.
You came out with the hippy campfire thing that was intended to be insulting but actually not at all. BTW Your Mum is a shitty screw. More? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
You came out with the hippy campfire thing that was intended to be insulting but actually not at all.
No, I was asking if you were raised by hippies. And it is not something to be proud of. Hippies are not known to be over achievers.
Josh Gray wrote:
BTW Your Mum is a shitty screw.
Nice. We are getting a big laugh here at the office.
Josh Gray wrote:
More?
Absolutly! Keep'em coming! My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Josh Gray wrote:
You came out with the hippy campfire thing that was intended to be insulting but actually not at all.
No, I was asking if you were raised by hippies. And it is not something to be proud of. Hippies are not known to be over achievers.
Josh Gray wrote:
BTW Your Mum is a shitty screw.
Nice. We are getting a big laugh here at the office.
Josh Gray wrote:
More?
Absolutly! Keep'em coming! My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Hippies are not known to be over achievers
Nice generalisation. I would rather be brought up by hippies than someone who promotes violence as a solution to your problems. How do you define a hippy? by smell? I think the hippy movement (for want of a better term) has contributed a lot to our society. As a teenager in the 90's I got laid a lot more than I would have in the 50's.
kgaddy wrote:
Nice. We are getting a big laugh here at the office.
Cool, they must have fucked your mum too. Ask them if they remember the warts on her left tit.
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Josh Gray wrote:
You came out with the hippy campfire thing that was intended to be insulting but actually not at all.
No, I was asking if you were raised by hippies. And it is not something to be proud of. Hippies are not known to be over achievers.
Josh Gray wrote:
BTW Your Mum is a shitty screw.
Nice. We are getting a big laugh here at the office.
Josh Gray wrote:
More?
Absolutly! Keep'em coming! My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Hippies are not known to be over achievers.
Oh, how i hate overachievers. The mere sight of them causes me to shudder with revulsion. Memories of their nasally voices ring in my head as i type this. It was a pleasant, entertaining thread. I was enjoying it. Then you had to remind me of overachievers. X|
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