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uh-oh, John Simmons is gonna come after you for deleting the head message. ---sig---
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good question. the words and the meaning, for those who came before us and struggled for what we have today as a people. you just don't come to a country and say "hey, we're one of you too, see... we changed the anthem because we love this country" , bullsh$t. they don't know WTF it means, regardless of if they convert it.
Varindir Rajesh Mahdihar wrote:
you just don't come to a country and say "hey, we're one of you too, see... we changed the anthem because we love this country"
A half-century ago, before the Twins moved to Minnesota, the Braves were based in Milwaukee. Naturally, those of my father's generation living in that part of the country changed the words of our anthem, out of love for - not country - baseball. I suspect there may be kids down in Atlanta still doing so. And even though this changes not only the words but the very meaning of those words, i seriously doubt it is meant as a put-down for their fathers, and grandfathers, and great-grandfathers who dug in and struggled for what we have today.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand Between their loved homes and the war's desolation! Blest with victory and peace, may the Heaven-rescued land Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
I have to admit, i struggle to understand why it bothers you that someone would produce a translation for a song your clearly hold dear. Growing up, many of the songs sung in my family were hymns, long ago translated and adapted from the original German, but still sung with enthusiasm and a mind to the meaning behind the words. Perhaps you're right, perhaps there is no hope that the meaning of that first stanza's already somewhat opaque lyrics could be preserved through translation... But to me, even the desire, not just to sing but to understand our anthem, speaks of something more than a callous PR campaign. When our forefathers first set foot in this land, a long and hard journey behind them and likely a long and hard journey ahead, it is quite possible they knew little or nothing about The War of 1812, the effect it had on this country, and the marks it left. But who in such circumstances could fail to understand the meanings of Freedom, or of Bravery. And surely, these are the traits that shaped our nation, and that caused us to choose such a song for our anthem: the desire for freedom, and the bravery to work for it. Tell me that doesn't translate.
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I know I have defended migrants (specially Mexicans) before in this forum, but I have to agree that this time they went too far. If people want a complete, fair migration reform, I don't think things like this will help. If there is already hatred among Americans, actions like singing the American anthem in Spanish or burning flags will only make things worse. I am all for an integral migration reform, but migrants, please help yourselves before asking for someone else to help you!
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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I know I have defended migrants (specially Mexicans) before in this forum, but I have to agree that this time they went too far. If people want a complete, fair migration reform, I don't think things like this will help. If there is already hatred among Americans, actions like singing the American anthem in Spanish or burning flags will only make things worse. I am all for an integral migration reform, but migrants, please help yourselves before asking for someone else to help you!
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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i hear you, but all due respect, there's just some sh$t you don't f'k with in life. one is a nations anthem. i understand and respect immigrants dream to work and be accepted in the USA. you don't show your "love" for the country by doing this. it's like walking into another country and talking sh*t about sensitive issues. maybe its time for me to retire, and move to a mountain and leave society behind.
Varindir Rajesh Mahdihar wrote:
there's just some sh$t you don't f'k with in life. one is a nations anthem
So Tagore is a traitor? The Indian National anthem, composed originally in Bengali by Rabindranath Tagore, was adopted in its Hindi version by the Constituent Assembly as the National Anthem of India on 24 January 1950. It was first sung 27 December 1911 at the Calcutta session of the Indian National Congress. The complete song consists of five stanzas. The lyrics were rendered into English by Tagore himself.[^]
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You got me, I do... :suss: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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i hear you, but all due respect, there's just some sh$t you don't f'k with in life. one is a nations anthem. i understand and respect immigrants dream to work and be accepted in the USA. you don't show your "love" for the country by doing this. it's like walking into another country and talking sh*t about sensitive issues. maybe its time for me to retire, and move to a mountain and leave society behind.
Varindir Rajesh Mahdihar wrote:
there's just some sh$t you don't f'k with in life. one is a nations anthem.
I totally agree. Out of curiosity though (I just got here), why was your original message deleted? Jeremy Falcon
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
You just hate Mexicans.
ROTFLMAO! Jeremy Falcon
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I know I have defended migrants (specially Mexicans) before in this forum, but I have to agree that this time they went too far. If people want a complete, fair migration reform, I don't think things like this will help. If there is already hatred among Americans, actions like singing the American anthem in Spanish or burning flags will only make things worse. I am all for an integral migration reform, but migrants, please help yourselves before asking for someone else to help you!
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
I think you pretty much summed up the way I feel. As a side, I don't think the ones here should be made legal though just because they are complaining loud about it. And I wished they make them come through the front door or get out, but that'll probably never happen. Really, I'm not going to move to Mexico and expect the country to change because I'm there. I'm gonna learn Spanish, the culture, etc. ya know. Jeremy Falcon
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I think you pretty much summed up the way I feel. As a side, I don't think the ones here should be made legal though just because they are complaining loud about it. And I wished they make them come through the front door or get out, but that'll probably never happen. Really, I'm not going to move to Mexico and expect the country to change because I'm there. I'm gonna learn Spanish, the culture, etc. ya know. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm gonna learn Spanish, the culture, etc. ya know.
The best part of moving to a new country. Just the different ways of doing things.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm gonna learn Spanish, the culture, etc. ya know.
The best part of moving to a new country. Just the different ways of doing things.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The best part of moving to a new country.
I'd have to agree. One of these days I want to visit places like Japan as well, but there's little thing called money getting in my way. :-D Jeremy Falcon
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Varindir Rajesh Mahdihar wrote:
there's just some sh$t you don't f'k with in life. one is a nations anthem.
I totally agree. Out of curiosity though (I just got here), why was your original message deleted? Jeremy Falcon
it was a duplicate to AHZ's
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uh-oh, John Simmons is gonna come after you for deleting the head message. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell!Actually, chris fixed that by putting a new header that reads "[Message Deleted]". ------- sig starts "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
