On the events of Haditha [modified]
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fat_boy wrote:
Unless the EU says 'find him guilty or you will never join the EU'
Or, better: "Poison him, or you will never join the EU" ;P
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fat_boy wrote:
Unless the EU says 'find him guilty or you will never join the EU'
Or, better: "Poison him, or you will never join the EU" ;P
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fat_boy wrote:
Miladic or Karadic
Mladić or Karadžić :)
fat_boy wrote:
forgive my spelling
Spelling was almost OK, but why don't you try to pronounce it?
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How soon we forget!...Actually I think you just committed a felony in your country. I think I might call your secret police.
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How soon we forget!...Actually I think you just committed a felony in your country. I think I might call your secret police.
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Bollocks, it was a NATO act of war against Serbia. The UN passed a resoloution calling for that action long after the US and UK attacked. Nunc est bibendum
Actually the UN was in Serbia 5 years before the US engaged in any bombing (which I admit the US should have left that to Europe). However, Germany participated in the bombings and was sued by Serbs because they bombed civilians...One of Germany's favorite pasttimes.
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Ah, so by 'just' you mean 50 years ago. OK, interesting deffinition. So, what have you learnt from the Nazis that dissuades you from allowing your troops to be tried in the Hague? Nunc est bibendum
Uhh....I didn't say "just". You did. Although I'm sure plenty of people from a certain religious group might be pretty offended at your dismissal of what your people did. I don't think your secret police would approve either.
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Actually the UN was in Serbia 5 years before the US engaged in any bombing (which I admit the US should have left that to Europe). However, Germany participated in the bombings and was sued by Serbs because they bombed civilians...One of Germany's favorite pasttimes.
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Uhh....I didn't say "just". You did. Although I'm sure plenty of people from a certain religious group might be pretty offended at your dismissal of what your people did. I don't think your secret police would approve either.
espeir wrote:
I didn't say "just".
'No, we've just seen what the Germans are capable of. We're not stupid.' OK, now scan what you wrote and see if you can see the word 'just'...
espeir wrote:
your people did. I don't think your secret police would approve either
My people? What, Am I German, am I a Nazi? Are you mad? I am English you fool! Nunc est bibendum
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Shifts. The tigress is here :-D
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Wrong. The UN was in Bosnia, which was part of Yugoslavia, not Serbia. Nunc est bibendum
I can't keep up with those losers. They change borders every couple of years. You dodged the fact that Germany bombed civilians, however.
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I can't keep up with those losers. They change borders every couple of years. You dodged the fact that Germany bombed civilians, however.
espeir wrote:
They change borders every couple of years
Well, actually, it only changed once since 1919, when Yugoslavia was formed by the Versailles Treaty, and that was when it fell apart in the 90s into Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia and somewhat loosely MontNegro. We also blew up a convoy of fleeing Albanians on tractors, and hit the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade with a missile, so really, what is so special about Germany bombing civillians during the same war? Nunc est bibendum
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I agree with most of those (which are all basic to and US citizen). I object to 3 of them, however: 24) Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security... -This can't be a right. It is a government service. If the citizens of a country decide that they don't want social security, then this "right" is placed in direct conflict with number 23. Basic human rights cannot be in conflict with one another. 25) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment -There are problems with this because again "protection against unemployment" is a government service and can be in conflict with #23. "Free choice of employment" also assumes that an employer's rights are restricted. This basically comes out of the socialist labor handbook. 28) Everyone has the right to rest and leisure. -This one is just kind of silly. Firstly, I don't think there has been a civilization in history that prohibited "rest and leisure" (even US slaves had that). It just doesn't need to be stated. Besides those, I don't really have a problem with them. But being an American I'm used to having all these rights.
espeir wrote:
It just doesn't need to be stated
I could say the same about each of the others too.
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I've been thinking one thing about the events of Haditha: what could and should be the consequences of it if the investigation and punishment were done by different people? It seems to me that the US army has been handling this much better than with Abu-Ghraib. You may talk about a learned lesson: the army didn't turn a blind eye just to let it explode in the press. According to Time magazine (the first to publish the whole story) they are doing a thorough and carefull investigation. But my point is that the political damage can't be stopped or recovered anymore. This story will certainly deteriorate an already critical situation in Iraq. In muslin and arab culture, a group which murders 20 people would deserve no less than death. Heck, in American culture too (e.g. Timothy McVeigh, the Washington sniper). But what we'll likelly see is prison for low-level soldiers, like in the Abu-Ghraib events. So I get back to my question in the begginning: isn't it the case of having an international institution to handle cases like this? Yes, I am talking about the court on war crimes in Le Hague. I claim that only a tribunal not handled by the politically involved would have a minimum of credibility to handle the issue in a politically viable manner. Who would respect a [edit]serbian Serb [/edit] judgement of Milosevic? In politics who does it is often more important than what is done, even if what is done is correct. The argument used in US against such a tribunal is that it is unnacceptable to americans to have any foreigner with authority above the american law. I don't accept this argument. The WTO (for instance) has authority over the american laws (even when it conflicts american interests) and the issues the tribunal would judge (war crimes) don't conflict with american values. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano Veloso -- modified at 11:56 Wednesday 31st May, 2006Just like to make one point, often overlooked, but mentioned with great emphasis on the news here the other night. The massacre was done THE DAY AFTER the marine was killed by the bomb. THEY WENT BACK and killed women and children. In the US you probably were not shown the filmed footage, use the web and look. Andy