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  • 7 73Zeppelin

    J. Dunlap wrote:

    Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for

    I don't know about that. I find that a rather pessimistic view and I don't just mean that in a religious aspect.

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    thealj wrote:

    I find that a rather pessimistic view and I don't just mean that in a religious aspect.

    People have tired of waiting 2,000 years for Jesus' imminent return. Religion has stagnated and has largely outlived its usefulness, other than providing a basic moral framework which the religious either ignore or twist to suit their own purpose.


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      The thread is so big I can't find sub thread origins to post on :laugh: [Which religion is more violent - thread] I killed you less so I win! Could someone please create a Web Religious Murders Counter so we can put this question to rest. [Gun control - thread] We need a law requiring everyone to carry a gun. We can even enforce this law on fetuses thereby solving the abortion issue simultaneously.

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      led mike wrote:

      [Which religion is more violent - thread] I killed you less so I win! Could someone please create a Web Religious Murders Counter so we can put this question to rest.

      We're still working on finding some Christianity-backed killings.

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        Contrary to the claims of the BBC and Time magazine, for every "eminent scientist" that claims global warming is an impending disaster, there's a more reasonable "eminent scientist" (who already has his funding check for something else) who disagrees.

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        Lost User
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        I hear your observations. Only the future will show the truth.

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          espeir wrote:

          How so? It points out the obvious.

          The irony in that comment is so beautiful that it is hard to believe espeir wrote it. :laugh:


          Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
            "If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.

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          Ding. Ding. Ding. The prize goes to Mr. David Wulff for having successfully gotten espeir confused. It's about time. :) Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] The America I believe in has always understood that natural harmony is only one meal away from monkey burgers. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Bean counters, as the Australian Taxation Office said that prostitutes and strippers could claim tax deductions for adult toys and sexy lingerie. [Associated Press]

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            Steak in this country is too damned expensive. Yes cutlery is fine, as is other knifes, including cleavers, used for cooking purposes. But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

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            Red Stateler
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            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

            Steak in this country is too damned expensive.

            How much for a filet mignon in a restaurant? Here it's usually under $30 US (16 pounds).

            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

            swiss army knife

            You can't carry a swiss army knife? Wow. What if you slip a knife in your pocket and walk over to your friends house to help him unpack boxes? Do you risk 4 years in prison? What if you buy some cutlery and carry it to your car?

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              led mike wrote:

              [Which religion is more violent - thread] I killed you less so I win! Could someone please create a Web Religious Murders Counter so we can put this question to rest.

              We're still working on finding some Christianity-backed killings.

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              How many years in the past do you consider relevant

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                How many years in the past do you consider relevant

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                Red Stateler
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                There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

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                  I hear your observations. Only the future will show the truth.

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                  Red Stateler
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                  Yup. I'm hoping lots of people in Miami get scared like you are. Because I'll be there...check in hand.

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                  • R Red Stateler

                    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                    Steak in this country is too damned expensive.

                    How much for a filet mignon in a restaurant? Here it's usually under $30 US (16 pounds).

                    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                    swiss army knife

                    You can't carry a swiss army knife? Wow. What if you slip a knife in your pocket and walk over to your friends house to help him unpack boxes? Do you risk 4 years in prison? What if you buy some cutlery and carry it to your car?

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                    espeir wrote:

                    What if you slip a knife in your pocket and walk over to your friends house to help him unpack boxes? Do you risk 4 years in prison?

                    Technically, yes! If a police officer has reasons to search you and finds that object then you could be arrested.

                    espeir wrote:

                    What if you buy some cutlery and carry it to your car?

                    As long as it is wrapped/boxed and wrapping/box is not in an opened condition and is merely being transported from the shop to your home then that is fine. And camping/caravanning is OK.

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                      Steak in this country is too damned expensive. Yes cutlery is fine, as is other knifes, including cleavers, used for cooking purposes. But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

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                      kgaddy
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                      What a joke. You can't have a swiss army knife, but you can have a meat cleaver?! What about hatchets? I seem to remember some guy in the UK planting one in someone's skull not too long ago. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"

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                      • J J Dunlap

                        Left Behind: Eternal Forces[^] Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life. Sickening! X| How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace?? :mad: I know the answer but I am still incredulous, even though I have known for some time that there are 'Christians' who think like that.

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                        J. Dunlap wrote:

                        How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace??

                        Mr. Warren's church has no connection to this game and right now their communication team is working out the details on what their formal response will be. Until they received an e-mail from a person who had found it, they had no idea about the game. [edit] Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, and Purpose Driven Ministries have no connection to the development of the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game. We have not endorsed it and do not plan to promote it in our networks. Mark Carver's involvement with the development of the game was a personal response to friends who asked for his advice as a businessman. [/edit]


                        "The largest fire starts but with the smallest spark." - David Crow

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                        • R Red Stateler

                          Yup. I'm hoping lots of people in Miami get scared like you are. Because I'll be there...check in hand.

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                          Not scared. Just facing upto what could be a bleak future for my children. And I hope that your cheque is spend wisely.

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                            What a joke. You can't have a swiss army knife, but you can have a meat cleaver?! What about hatchets? I seem to remember some guy in the UK planting one in someone's skull not too long ago. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"

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                            A meat cleaver is perfectly OK in the kitchen where you are using it in preparation for cooking. NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS OF ANY DESCRIPTION ARE PERMITTED TO BE CARRIED. Yes there are lots of UK press coverage at the moment due to several recent violent knife deaths.

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                              J. Dunlap wrote:

                              How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace??

                              Mr. Warren's church has no connection to this game and right now their communication team is working out the details on what their formal response will be. Until they received an e-mail from a person who had found it, they had no idea about the game. [edit] Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, and Purpose Driven Ministries have no connection to the development of the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game. We have not endorsed it and do not plan to promote it in our networks. Mark Carver's involvement with the development of the game was a personal response to friends who asked for his advice as a businessman. [/edit]


                              "The largest fire starts but with the smallest spark." - David Crow

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                              Red Stateler
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                              Interesting. Maybe Stan was right about some bigotted atheist group trying to "frame" Christians (which wouldn't really surprise me). I've heard of people being put on boards of directors without their consent before. My understanding is that you can start a company, mail Bill Gates asking him to be on the advisory board and if he doesn't respond, then you can list him as a member. It's a good way to get funding.

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                              • 7 73Zeppelin

                                Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:

                                Well, thanks to global warming, that situation is going to change.

                                Lol! I'm going to start selling real-estate in cold climate countries promising that, in 10 years, it will be hugely productive and greatly desired as vinyard land! Man, what a scam scheme!

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                                Andy Brummer
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                                People are already betting on that: Ice free passage[^]


                                I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                                  There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

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                                  led mike
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                                  espeir wrote:

                                  much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

                                  Isn't that the point? :laugh:

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                                    There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

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                                    espeir wrote:

                                    gotten really bad

                                    To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent. I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either. Do you have any thoughts on this ? Be back about 2 hours from now

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                                      espeir wrote:

                                      gotten really bad

                                      To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent. I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either. Do you have any thoughts on this ? Be back about 2 hours from now

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                                      Red Stateler
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                                      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                      To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent.

                                      I think it depends on what you're looking at. The murder rate in the US hasn't been this low since the early 60's. I think certain regions of the world are overly violent (namely Africa, the Middle East and certain parts of South America) but the developed world seems relatively immune. Compare that to WWII, when the developed world was sending millions to gas chambers, starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields.

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                                      I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either.

                                      I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life. You do that by teaching virtue and vice, which have been eliminated by the modern left via moral relativism. I think the cardinal virtues (wisdom, temperance, justice and courage) and sins of the flesh. Though these Catholic concepts (derived from both the Bible and greek philosophers), they are universal and shared on a basic level with most peoples' core value system. They are abstract concepts (not depending on a particular religion) which, if followed, lead to a good, peaceful life. I'm not advocating that everyone adopt one religion. I'm advocating that everyone become educated and adopt a sincere understanding of virtue, vice and the effect that they can have on your life. -- modified at 15:54 Friday 2nd June, 2006

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                                        Steak in this country is too damned expensive. Yes cutlery is fine, as is other knifes, including cleavers, used for cooking purposes. But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

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                                        Allah On Acid
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                                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                        But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

                                        Thats crazy. Im glad to live in America where i can carry a small pocket defence knife, and own cobat knives, guns, etc... MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                                          Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:

                                          roadside bomb

                                          Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.

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                                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                          Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.

                                          What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE

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