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  • R Red Stateler

    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    Steak in this country is too damned expensive.

    How much for a filet mignon in a restaurant? Here it's usually under $30 US (16 pounds).

    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    swiss army knife

    You can't carry a swiss army knife? Wow. What if you slip a knife in your pocket and walk over to your friends house to help him unpack boxes? Do you risk 4 years in prison? What if you buy some cutlery and carry it to your car?

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    espeir wrote:

    What if you slip a knife in your pocket and walk over to your friends house to help him unpack boxes? Do you risk 4 years in prison?

    Technically, yes! If a police officer has reasons to search you and finds that object then you could be arrested.

    espeir wrote:

    What if you buy some cutlery and carry it to your car?

    As long as it is wrapped/boxed and wrapping/box is not in an opened condition and is merely being transported from the shop to your home then that is fine. And camping/caravanning is OK.

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      Steak in this country is too damned expensive. Yes cutlery is fine, as is other knifes, including cleavers, used for cooking purposes. But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

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      What a joke. You can't have a swiss army knife, but you can have a meat cleaver?! What about hatchets? I seem to remember some guy in the UK planting one in someone's skull not too long ago. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"

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      • J J Dunlap

        Left Behind: Eternal Forces[^] Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life. Sickening! X| How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace?? :mad: I know the answer but I am still incredulous, even though I have known for some time that there are 'Christians' who think like that.

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        J. Dunlap wrote:

        How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace??

        Mr. Warren's church has no connection to this game and right now their communication team is working out the details on what their formal response will be. Until they received an e-mail from a person who had found it, they had no idea about the game. [edit] Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, and Purpose Driven Ministries have no connection to the development of the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game. We have not endorsed it and do not plan to promote it in our networks. Mark Carver's involvement with the development of the game was a personal response to friends who asked for his advice as a businessman. [/edit]


        "The largest fire starts but with the smallest spark." - David Crow

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        • R Red Stateler

          Yup. I'm hoping lots of people in Miami get scared like you are. Because I'll be there...check in hand.

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          Not scared. Just facing upto what could be a bleak future for my children. And I hope that your cheque is spend wisely.

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            What a joke. You can't have a swiss army knife, but you can have a meat cleaver?! What about hatchets? I seem to remember some guy in the UK planting one in someone's skull not too long ago. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"

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            A meat cleaver is perfectly OK in the kitchen where you are using it in preparation for cooking. NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS OF ANY DESCRIPTION ARE PERMITTED TO BE CARRIED. Yes there are lots of UK press coverage at the moment due to several recent violent knife deaths.

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              J. Dunlap wrote:

              How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace??

              Mr. Warren's church has no connection to this game and right now their communication team is working out the details on what their formal response will be. Until they received an e-mail from a person who had found it, they had no idea about the game. [edit] Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, and Purpose Driven Ministries have no connection to the development of the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game. We have not endorsed it and do not plan to promote it in our networks. Mark Carver's involvement with the development of the game was a personal response to friends who asked for his advice as a businessman. [/edit]


              "The largest fire starts but with the smallest spark." - David Crow

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              Interesting. Maybe Stan was right about some bigotted atheist group trying to "frame" Christians (which wouldn't really surprise me). I've heard of people being put on boards of directors without their consent before. My understanding is that you can start a company, mail Bill Gates asking him to be on the advisory board and if he doesn't respond, then you can list him as a member. It's a good way to get funding.

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              • 7 73Zeppelin

                Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:

                Well, thanks to global warming, that situation is going to change.

                Lol! I'm going to start selling real-estate in cold climate countries promising that, in 10 years, it will be hugely productive and greatly desired as vinyard land! Man, what a scam scheme!

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                People are already betting on that: Ice free passage[^]


                I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                • R Red Stateler

                  There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

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                  espeir wrote:

                  much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

                  Isn't that the point? :laugh:

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                    There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.

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                    espeir wrote:

                    gotten really bad

                    To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent. I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either. Do you have any thoughts on this ? Be back about 2 hours from now

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                      espeir wrote:

                      gotten really bad

                      To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent. I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either. Do you have any thoughts on this ? Be back about 2 hours from now

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                      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                      To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent.

                      I think it depends on what you're looking at. The murder rate in the US hasn't been this low since the early 60's. I think certain regions of the world are overly violent (namely Africa, the Middle East and certain parts of South America) but the developed world seems relatively immune. Compare that to WWII, when the developed world was sending millions to gas chambers, starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields.

                      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                      I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either.

                      I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life. You do that by teaching virtue and vice, which have been eliminated by the modern left via moral relativism. I think the cardinal virtues (wisdom, temperance, justice and courage) and sins of the flesh. Though these Catholic concepts (derived from both the Bible and greek philosophers), they are universal and shared on a basic level with most peoples' core value system. They are abstract concepts (not depending on a particular religion) which, if followed, lead to a good, peaceful life. I'm not advocating that everyone adopt one religion. I'm advocating that everyone become educated and adopt a sincere understanding of virtue, vice and the effect that they can have on your life. -- modified at 15:54 Friday 2nd June, 2006

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                        Steak in this country is too damned expensive. Yes cutlery is fine, as is other knifes, including cleavers, used for cooking purposes. But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

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                        Allah On Acid
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                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                        But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.

                        Thats crazy. Im glad to live in America where i can carry a small pocket defence knife, and own cobat knives, guns, etc... MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                          roadside bomb

                          Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.

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                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                          Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.

                          What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                            Lol, I'm not European! :laugh:

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                            Your profile says you live in switzerland. MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                              Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                              Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.

                              What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                              You asked him for examples, or have you forgotten your own position already?


                              Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
                                "If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.

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                              • R Red Stateler

                                Contrary to the claims of the BBC and Time magazine, for every "eminent scientist" that claims global warming is an impending disaster, there's a more reasonable "eminent scientist" (who already has his funding check for something else) who disagrees.

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                                espeir wrote:

                                for every "eminent scientist" that claims global warming is an impending disaster, there's a more reasonable "eminent scientist" (who already has his funding check for something else) who disagrees.

                                There is not one shred of truth in that statement, espeir. Over 900 peer-reviewed studies support the idea that human activity iis destabilizing the climate. There are none that refute this. None. Note that I'm not including websites, of the rational or irrational kind, in this count: just published scientific studies (between 1993 and 2003).

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                                  Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                  Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.

                                  What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                                  Bin Laden finances Al Queda. That's a BIG no - no America (used to) finance the IRA. What's the difference ? They are both terrorist organisations. One of them financing terrorist acts on American Soil and the other was financing terrorist acts within the United Kingdom. Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????

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                                    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                    To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent.

                                    I think it depends on what you're looking at. The murder rate in the US hasn't been this low since the early 60's. I think certain regions of the world are overly violent (namely Africa, the Middle East and certain parts of South America) but the developed world seems relatively immune. Compare that to WWII, when the developed world was sending millions to gas chambers, starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields.

                                    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                    I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either.

                                    I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life. You do that by teaching virtue and vice, which have been eliminated by the modern left via moral relativism. I think the cardinal virtues (wisdom, temperance, justice and courage) and sins of the flesh. Though these Catholic concepts (derived from both the Bible and greek philosophers), they are universal and shared on a basic level with most peoples' core value system. They are abstract concepts (not depending on a particular religion) which, if followed, lead to a good, peaceful life. I'm not advocating that everyone adopt one religion. I'm advocating that everyone become educated and adopt a sincere understanding of virtue, vice and the effect that they can have on your life. -- modified at 15:54 Friday 2nd June, 2006

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                                    espeir wrote:

                                    starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields

                                    Still happening in many countries.

                                    espeir wrote:

                                    I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life

                                    I Agree the above quote but that must include those of differing religious conviction/faith, those of differing political affiliation (left/centre/right), those of different colour or gender or age or wealth. Or indeed those who live in France.

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                                      Bin Laden finances Al Queda. That's a BIG no - no America (used to) finance the IRA. What's the difference ? They are both terrorist organisations. One of them financing terrorist acts on American Soil and the other was financing terrorist acts within the United Kingdom. Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????

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                                      Allah On Acid
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                                      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                      Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????

                                      It may have been, 8 years ago. MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                        Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????

                                        It may have been, 8 years ago. MOΛΩN ΛABE

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                                        It may have been, 8 years ago.

                                        Sounds like an excuse to me. But terrorism no matter where or reason is wrong. As Churchill once said "Jaw Jaw is better than War War", as proven by the IRA alledgely decommissioning their arms. Perhaps Al Queda might consider that option at some future time!

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                                          Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:

                                          It may have been, 8 years ago.

                                          Sounds like an excuse to me. But terrorism no matter where or reason is wrong. As Churchill once said "Jaw Jaw is better than War War", as proven by the IRA alledgely decommissioning their arms. Perhaps Al Queda might consider that option at some future time!

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                                          Allah On Acid
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                                          Guess what, the free world, which included Britian supported Osama Bin Laden back when the soviets were in Afganistan. So you also funded a terrorist. :omg::rolleyes: MOΛΩN ΛABE

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