The Purpose-Driven Life-Takers
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There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.
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There's no specific figure. I don't condemn Muslims for their role in the Crusades, however. I pretty much keep it 20th century and beyond...More specifically the last 40 or so years since they've gotten really bad. You go too much further than that and you're dealing with people who are dead now.
espeir wrote:
gotten really bad
To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent. I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either. Do you have any thoughts on this ? Be back about 2 hours from now
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espeir wrote:
gotten really bad
To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent. I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either. Do you have any thoughts on this ? Be back about 2 hours from now
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent.
I think it depends on what you're looking at. The murder rate in the US hasn't been this low since the early 60's. I think certain regions of the world are overly violent (namely Africa, the Middle East and certain parts of South America) but the developed world seems relatively immune. Compare that to WWII, when the developed world was sending millions to gas chambers, starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either.
I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life. You do that by teaching virtue and vice, which have been eliminated by the modern left via moral relativism. I think the cardinal virtues (wisdom, temperance, justice and courage) and sins of the flesh. Though these Catholic concepts (derived from both the Bible and greek philosophers), they are universal and shared on a basic level with most peoples' core value system. They are abstract concepts (not depending on a particular religion) which, if followed, lead to a good, peaceful life. I'm not advocating that everyone adopt one religion. I'm advocating that everyone become educated and adopt a sincere understanding of virtue, vice and the effect that they can have on your life. -- modified at 15:54 Friday 2nd June, 2006
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Steak in this country is too damned expensive. Yes cutlery is fine, as is other knifes, including cleavers, used for cooking purposes. But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
But a Bowie Knife, a Flick-knife, ordinary pen-knife, swiss army knife, other "exotic" knifes, and domestic cutlery are not permitted to be carried upon the person going about whatever their "normal" outside-of-their-home activities. If convicted (I think) a 2 to 4 year prison term is awardable.
Thats crazy. Im glad to live in America where i can carry a small pocket defence knife, and own cobat knives, guns, etc... MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
roadside bomb
Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.
What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Lol, I'm not European! :laugh:
Your profile says you live in switzerland. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.
What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE
You asked him for examples, or have you forgotten your own position already?
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir. -
Contrary to the claims of the BBC and Time magazine, for every "eminent scientist" that claims global warming is an impending disaster, there's a more reasonable "eminent scientist" (who already has his funding check for something else) who disagrees.
espeir wrote:
for every "eminent scientist" that claims global warming is an impending disaster, there's a more reasonable "eminent scientist" (who already has his funding check for something else) who disagrees.
There is not one shred of truth in that statement, espeir. Over 900 peer-reviewed studies support the idea that human activity iis destabilizing the climate. There are none that refute this. None. Note that I'm not including websites, of the rational or irrational kind, in this count: just published scientific studies (between 1993 and 2003).
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Terrorist organisations such as (1). IRA (supported by donations chiefly from the USA) in Northern Ireland until peace was achieved. (2). Spanish Separatists ETA who are still "at war" with Spain.
What about them? MOΛΩN ΛABE
Bin Laden finances Al Queda. That's a BIG no - no America (used to) finance the IRA. What's the difference ? They are both terrorist organisations. One of them financing terrorist acts on American Soil and the other was financing terrorist acts within the United Kingdom. Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
To me, the world we currently occupy appears to be getting more and more violent.
I think it depends on what you're looking at. The murder rate in the US hasn't been this low since the early 60's. I think certain regions of the world are overly violent (namely Africa, the Middle East and certain parts of South America) but the developed world seems relatively immune. Compare that to WWII, when the developed world was sending millions to gas chambers, starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
I personally don't know how to address the problem of violence in society and I'm not convinced our political leaders have much clues either.
I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life. You do that by teaching virtue and vice, which have been eliminated by the modern left via moral relativism. I think the cardinal virtues (wisdom, temperance, justice and courage) and sins of the flesh. Though these Catholic concepts (derived from both the Bible and greek philosophers), they are universal and shared on a basic level with most peoples' core value system. They are abstract concepts (not depending on a particular religion) which, if followed, lead to a good, peaceful life. I'm not advocating that everyone adopt one religion. I'm advocating that everyone become educated and adopt a sincere understanding of virtue, vice and the effect that they can have on your life. -- modified at 15:54 Friday 2nd June, 2006
espeir wrote:
starving millions more and slaughtering eachother on battlefields
Still happening in many countries.
espeir wrote:
I don't think it's something you can simply address without first instilling some common values regarding respect for one another and for human life
I Agree the above quote but that must include those of differing religious conviction/faith, those of differing political affiliation (left/centre/right), those of different colour or gender or age or wealth. Or indeed those who live in France.
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Bin Laden finances Al Queda. That's a BIG no - no America (used to) finance the IRA. What's the difference ? They are both terrorist organisations. One of them financing terrorist acts on American Soil and the other was financing terrorist acts within the United Kingdom. Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????
It may have been, 8 years ago. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????
It may have been, 8 years ago. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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It may have been, 8 years ago.
Sounds like an excuse to me. But terrorism no matter where or reason is wrong. As Churchill once said "Jaw Jaw is better than War War", as proven by the IRA alledgely decommissioning their arms. Perhaps Al Queda might consider that option at some future time!
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
It may have been, 8 years ago.
Sounds like an excuse to me. But terrorism no matter where or reason is wrong. As Churchill once said "Jaw Jaw is better than War War", as proven by the IRA alledgely decommissioning their arms. Perhaps Al Queda might consider that option at some future time!
Guess what, the free world, which included Britian supported Osama Bin Laden back when the soviets were in Afganistan. So you also funded a terrorist. :omg::rolleyes: MOΛΩN ΛABE
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espeir wrote:
for every "eminent scientist" that claims global warming is an impending disaster, there's a more reasonable "eminent scientist" (who already has his funding check for something else) who disagrees.
There is not one shred of truth in that statement, espeir. Over 900 peer-reviewed studies support the idea that human activity iis destabilizing the climate. There are none that refute this. None. Note that I'm not including websites, of the rational or irrational kind, in this count: just published scientific studies (between 1993 and 2003).
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Left Behind: Eternal Forces[^] Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life. Sickening! X| How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace?? :mad: I know the answer but I am still incredulous, even though I have known for some time that there are 'Christians' who think like that.
It's been interesting seeing this story make the rounds on the internet. I think this is the fourth or fifth time I've seen it now. The first thing to say about it is that the story is blown out of proportion. The basic premise of the game is this: the rapture has occured, and humanity is living in the seven years of tribulation - essentially a seven year-long apocalypse filled with war, famine, and disease. You can play either the good, godly side or the evil demonic side. Unlike most RTS games, you are actually trying to convert people to your side. The city is filled with good, bad, and neutral people. If a human is sufficiently good, the Christian player gets to control them. If a human is sufficiently evil, the evil player gets to control them. There are lots of neutral humans in the game that you are trying to convert to your side. You can even convert people from the opposite side (evil people into good ones and vice-versa). You are penalized for killing neutrals (which, I'm sure includes "moderate, mainstream Christians"). There is a preview of it at Gamespy: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/left-behind-eternal-forces/700684p1.html[^] [Update:] The game's resource model is interesting in that these buildings aren't used to "produce" units. Rather, the major resource in the game is actually the "neutrals" -- people who haven't yet chosen their side in the great war. Every unit in the game has a name and their own life and faith history (written in text in the unit information), along with a "Spirit Level" rated from 0-100. Spirit levels between 40 and 60 are considered neutral. As a unit's spirit rises, their faith increases until it reaches 60, at which point it becomes a "friend." Friends are basic units who can then be trained in a particular profession at a converted building. A unit whose Spirit falls below 40, however, becomes a member of the enemy camp and can be likewise trained. It's this wrestling back and forth for the souls of the people that makes the gameplay dynamic so interesting. Players aren't competing to kill the enemy army -- rather, they're trying to save them, and each person killed represents a failure rather than a success. "We found that adhering closely to Biblical philosophies made the game more interesting rather than less," Lyndon said. "One of the
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Of course, you could wait for some sells figures to arrive before using it as yet another half baked rationale to pretend your anti-christian bigotry has some merit. Besides, this game was probably written by another anti-Christian cretin such as yourself for the express purpose of giving other anti-Chrisitan cretins such as yourself a good reason to spread your sanctimonious, hypocritical outrage around the internet. I would bet that there is not a single authentic religous organization behind it. "You get that which you tolerate"
(sigh) Stan, know what you're talking about before going off.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Besides, this game was probably written by another anti-Christian cretin such as yourself for the express purpose of giving other anti-Chrisitan cretins such as yourself a good reason to spread your sanctimonious, hypocritical outrage around the internet. I would bet that there is not a single authentic religous organization behind it.
Troy Lyndon, co-founder and CEO of Left Behind Games, a developer of Christian-themed games.... Mr. Lyndon has also served many ministries and Christian publishers, including the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Campus Crusade for Christ, Tyndale and Biblesoft, in the development of multimedia presentations, CD-ROMs, DVDs, and retail products. http://www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/management.htm[^] The real story is that the premise of the game has been distorted and blown out of proportion. http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1515696&forumid=2605#xx1515696xx[^] ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
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(sigh) Stan, know what you're talking about before going off.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Besides, this game was probably written by another anti-Christian cretin such as yourself for the express purpose of giving other anti-Chrisitan cretins such as yourself a good reason to spread your sanctimonious, hypocritical outrage around the internet. I would bet that there is not a single authentic religous organization behind it.
Troy Lyndon, co-founder and CEO of Left Behind Games, a developer of Christian-themed games.... Mr. Lyndon has also served many ministries and Christian publishers, including the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Campus Crusade for Christ, Tyndale and Biblesoft, in the development of multimedia presentations, CD-ROMs, DVDs, and retail products. http://www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/management.htm[^] The real story is that the premise of the game has been distorted and blown out of proportion. http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1515696&forumid=2605#xx1515696xx[^] ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
Brit wrote:
Stan, know what you're talking about before going off.
Troy Lyndon isn't an "authentic religious organization". Just because he has served Billy Graham's ministry doesn't mean he isn't actually your typical devil worshipping lefty. "You get that which you tolerate"
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espeir wrote:
How so? It points out the obvious.
The irony in that comment is so beautiful that it is hard to believe espeir wrote it. :laugh:
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.i have a theory that espair,kgaddy and pumpkin are actually a single entity with different nicks and their purpose of living here is to give 1 point to everyone who is against their *wicked theories*
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You can't spread religion through peace - that's not a very successful mechanism.
Well the apostles and the early church (pre-Constantine) did a good job of spreading Christianity with a strong emphasis on pacifism. But the Christianity they lived and the Gospel they preached are much different from that of today. The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives. Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing. Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for, groups like the one mentioned in the OP resort to getting people to rally behind a militant cause.
J. Dunlap wrote:
Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven,
This is the single most compelling reason Christians fail as Christians in my ignorant opinion.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
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When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people?
Or fed their children arsnic-laced koolaid? Does Jim Jones ring a bell for you? Exactly from where do think Nichols and Terry McViegh sprang from...wanna hazard a guess it was in part from a rdical form of American Christiandom? Do your research before before spouting off that modern day Christiandom is without sin or sinners...
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”