The Purpose-Driven Life-Takers
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You can't spread religion through peace - that's not a very successful mechanism.
Well the apostles and the early church (pre-Constantine) did a good job of spreading Christianity with a strong emphasis on pacifism. But the Christianity they lived and the Gospel they preached are much different from that of today. The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives. Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing. Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for, groups like the one mentioned in the OP resort to getting people to rally behind a militant cause.
J. Dunlap wrote:
Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven,
This is the single most compelling reason Christians fail as Christians in my ignorant opinion.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
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When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people?
Or fed their children arsnic-laced koolaid? Does Jim Jones ring a bell for you? Exactly from where do think Nichols and Terry McViegh sprang from...wanna hazard a guess it was in part from a rdical form of American Christiandom? Do your research before before spouting off that modern day Christiandom is without sin or sinners...
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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espeir wrote:
Like Grand Theft Auto?
No, that cant be hate crime when black gangs are violent towards white people. They are only in gangs because they are opressed and looked down on by the white people. :rolleyes: MOΛΩN ΛABE
Uh-ho, another whimp-er-ing white-man-as-victim sap...lament.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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J. Dunlap wrote:
Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven,
This is the single most compelling reason Christians fail as Christians in my ignorant opinion.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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Guess what, the free world, which included Britian supported Osama Bin Laden back when the soviets were in Afganistan. So you also funded a terrorist. :omg::rolleyes: MOΛΩN ΛABE
Don't think you will find any traces of Britain performing any kind of covert funding of Afgan Mujahideen forces (including Bin Laden) - that was an American policy. Sources ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afganistan[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usama_bin_Laden[^] and taken from above ... Robin Cook, former leader of the British House of Commons and Foreign Secretary from 1997-2001, wrote in The Guardian on Friday, July 8, 2005, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s[,] he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally 'the database', was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians".[7]
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Bin Laden finances Al Queda. That's a BIG no - no America (used to) finance the IRA. What's the difference ? They are both terrorist organisations. One of them financing terrorist acts on American Soil and the other was financing terrorist acts within the United Kingdom. Wonder if this is a case of "Double Standards" ????
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
America (used to) finance the IRA.
The IRA was never at any time funded by the USA. Any such funds were illegal and closely scrutinized by the FBI. "You get that which you tolerate"
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In the case of Christianity both the carrot and the stick are imaginary. How efficient! The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Assuming that is true your assertion does not deminish its wisdom.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You can't spread religion through peace - that's not a very successful mechanism.
Well the apostles and the early church (pre-Constantine) did a good job of spreading Christianity with a strong emphasis on pacifism. But the Christianity they lived and the Gospel they preached are much different from that of today. The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives. Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing. Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for, groups like the one mentioned in the OP resort to getting people to rally behind a militant cause.
What fucking bullshit.
J. Dunlap wrote:
The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives.
And that is precisely what it remains today.
J. Dunlap wrote:
Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing.
Communist propaganda and nothing more. Christ's entire mission was to give people a means of getting into heaven, it wasn't to affect human politics or society in any other way. Your basic point is that all true Christians would just naturally be good little Communists. You can't stand the possibililty that there might be human behavior that does not lend itself to the ultimately goal of creating the great Marxist utopian brotherhood of man. You have a bigoted, preconceived opinion about christianity because it conflicts with your political agenda. You help promote the left's propaganda, deception and lies in order to help implement that agenda. The only thing you know about Christianity is what you learned from some Marxist ideologe in some college course somewhere. "You get that which you tolerate" -- modified at 10:42 Saturday 3rd June, 2006
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
America (used to) finance the IRA.
The IRA was never at any time funded by the USA. Any such funds were illegal and closely scrutinized by the FBI. "You get that which you tolerate"
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ira.htm[^] and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army[^] "The IRA has also received weapons and logistical support from Irish Americans, in the USA especially the NORAID group" http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575144_2/Irish_Republican_Army.html[^] Procurement... and http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/profterr.txt[^] Bottom of page. And there are many more resources I could point you to
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http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ira.htm[^] and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army[^] "The IRA has also received weapons and logistical support from Irish Americans, in the USA especially the NORAID group" http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575144_2/Irish_Republican_Army.html[^] Procurement... and http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/profterr.txt[^] Bottom of page. And there are many more resources I could point you to
sympathizers in the United States That does not constitute being funded by the US. Such activity is, and has always been, highly illegal. It has been taken very seriously by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. It is not and has never been an official policy of the US to fund the IRA, nor has it been something which we have ever tolerated with a wink and a nod. To attempt to draw an association between Americans and terrorism is dispicable, loathsome and putridly dishonest, and it is yet more evidence of the incredible extremes the left will go to to harm, and invalidate the legitimate actions taken by the US government to manage threats to our civilization. By doing so, you clearly establish your true political agenda for all to see. "You get that which you tolerate"
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sympathizers in the United States That does not constitute being funded by the US. Such activity is, and has always been, highly illegal. It has been taken very seriously by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. It is not and has never been an official policy of the US to fund the IRA, nor has it been something which we have ever tolerated with a wink and a nod. To attempt to draw an association between Americans and terrorism is dispicable, loathsome and putridly dishonest, and it is yet more evidence of the incredible extremes the left will go to to harm, and invalidate the legitimate actions taken by the US government to manage threats to our civilization. By doing so, you clearly establish your true political agenda for all to see. "You get that which you tolerate"
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yeah, right... "You get that which you tolerate"
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What fucking bullshit.
J. Dunlap wrote:
The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives.
And that is precisely what it remains today.
J. Dunlap wrote:
Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing.
Communist propaganda and nothing more. Christ's entire mission was to give people a means of getting into heaven, it wasn't to affect human politics or society in any other way. Your basic point is that all true Christians would just naturally be good little Communists. You can't stand the possibililty that there might be human behavior that does not lend itself to the ultimately goal of creating the great Marxist utopian brotherhood of man. You have a bigoted, preconceived opinion about christianity because it conflicts with your political agenda. You help promote the left's propaganda, deception and lies in order to help implement that agenda. The only thing you know about Christianity is what you learned from some Marxist ideologe in some college course somewhere. "You get that which you tolerate" -- modified at 10:42 Saturday 3rd June, 2006
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For someone who has claimed to not be religious, you sure have a warped political agenda yourself. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
For someone who has claimed to not be religious, you sure have a warped political agenda yourself.
I'm not religious by nature, but I try to adhere to religious principles none the less simply because I think it is important for people to be so in any society. That is entirely beside the point, however. The problem is that the basic concept of 'separation of church and state' has been coopeted by the left to force their own secularist morality on the nation. I don't believe the most extreme scenario of the nation actually becoming controled by a given religious sect would be any worse at all than the world we actually find ourselves living in. One where the moral agenda, the conscience of the nation and the people is carefully controlled and regulated by secualarist minority at the behest of the state. Thanks to the left, that nightmare scenario is already upon us with a vengence. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Tim Craig wrote:
For someone who has claimed to not be religious, you sure have a warped political agenda yourself.
I'm not religious by nature, but I try to adhere to religious principles none the less simply because I think it is important for people to be so in any society. That is entirely beside the point, however. The problem is that the basic concept of 'separation of church and state' has been coopeted by the left to force their own secularist morality on the nation. I don't believe the most extreme scenario of the nation actually becoming controled by a given religious sect would be any worse at all than the world we actually find ourselves living in. One where the moral agenda, the conscience of the nation and the people is carefully controlled and regulated by secualarist minority at the behest of the state. Thanks to the left, that nightmare scenario is already upon us with a vengence. "You get that which you tolerate"
Then why aren't you out there helping Pat Robertson build his theocracy if you think it's so fucking superior? Never mind, this is just to let you know that it's more than a small minority that disagree with you. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Then why aren't you out there helping Pat Robertson build his theocracy if you think it's so fucking superior? Never mind, this is just to let you know that it's more than a small minority that disagree with you. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
Never mind, this is just to let you know that it's more than a small minority that disagree with you.
Yes, I'm well aware of the vast legions of brainwashed secular zombies I share my society with. That isn't surprising considering the massive infrastructure that has been created to promote and propagandize that particular agenda.
Tim Craig wrote:
Then why aren't you out there helping Pat Robertson build his theocracy if you think it's so f****ing superior?
Speaking of secular propaganda. If Pat Robertson had the kinds of resources at his disposal that the humanist left does to promote his cause, I would be just as concerned about him. And the ironic thing is that the only reason that people like Robertson are a threat is precisely because of the centralized bureaucratic infrastructure created by the left. When every important social institution in your society comes under the control of one narrowly defined set of philosophical principles, you have to expect that all the other true believers are going to fight you for it. For my part, I don't want any of you control freak fuckers to win. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Your profile says you live in switzerland. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Your profile says you live in switzerland.
Heh. Yeah I know it says that. I live in Switzerland. The fact that I live here doesn't make me Swiss.
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i have a theory that espair,kgaddy and pumpkin are actually a single entity with different nicks and their purpose of living here is to give 1 point to everyone who is against their *wicked theories*
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Nah, that would require too much intelligence.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.