The Purpose-Driven Life-Takers
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David Wulff wrote:
We learnt it from the French. Aren't they your neighbours?
Hmmm, it would seem so! I can't seem to escape them! They were in Canada, and now they're here too! No wonder you've chosen to isolate yourself on that wonderful (French-free) island of Britain! Keeps the French at a distance I can see now... Too bad they got all the good vinyard lands...
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David Wulff wrote:
That is not the thread being followed here, this is all under and directly in reponse to Pumpkin's remark.
It seems like it is to me. You made a sarcastic remark about Christianity being a religion of peace based on a violent video game. Score 1 then correctly called you out by pointing out the fact that a video game is not the same as terrorism.
David Wulff wrote:
How is it isolated? The IRA detonated many, many bombs at civilian targets -- let alone the militart ones. I can recall four just from the last decade, and those are just the ones that got the TV coverage.
It's isolated because it is rare and also not endorsed by the Catholic Church. You're suggesting that Christianity is a violent religion, but if some individuals commit an act that is actuallly contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent...the individuals are (which was universally the case in Ireland). So you can correctly say that the Irish are violent, but you cannot correctly say that Christianity is.
David Wulff wrote:
To bring '8 years' in line with Pumpkin's comments, it is really only three years between that and planes being crashed into American cities.
Well if he listed all the violent acts by Muslims which were encouraged by the Muslim religion over the past 3 years, he would have crashed the CP server.
espeir should have wrote:
It seems like it is to me. You made a sarcastic remark about Christianity being a religion of peace based on a violent video game. Score 1 then became defensive by claiming people who follow Christ don't murder people with car bombs like those that follow Allah.
You see, the second paragraph of his post says a lot about the first.
espeir wrote:
if some individuals commit an act that is actuallly contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent...the individuals are
My god - someone give this man a medal. Wasn't it you who called someone a hypocrite just yesterday for saying the same thing you have just said?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy Falcon -
In addition, to answer the question you added to your original reply:
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb
Off the top of my head that would have to be in 1998, when a car bomb was detonated in Omagh, County Tyrone, on a busy Saturday afternoon. The bomb was placed by a bunch of Catholic extremists involved with the 'Real IRA'. I can still vividly remember the scenes. 29 people died, 100s were injured. They may not have succeeded in flying planes into buildings, but they did quite well at firing mortars into civilian airports. In the early nineties the Provisional IRA even managed to take sucide bombs to the next level, by kidnapping people and forcing them to drive bombs into military targets - or have their families slaughtered in front of them. Even the majority of their brothers-in-arms where disgusted with that tactic.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconWow Christianity must be a violent religion. Some criminals blew up a bomb 8 years ago claiming to be Christians. I hope the people from the church down the road dont come shoot me for thinking differently than they do. :rolleyes: For you to put Christianity on the same level as Islam because of an isolated incident, when with Islam it is a widespread, continuing problem is rediculous. I did a google news search for "Iraq roadside bomb", and look what it brings up. Results 1 - 10 of about 15,300 for Iraq RoadSide Bomb.[^] MOΛΩN ΛABE
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espeir should have wrote:
It seems like it is to me. You made a sarcastic remark about Christianity being a religion of peace based on a violent video game. Score 1 then became defensive by claiming people who follow Christ don't murder people with car bombs like those that follow Allah.
You see, the second paragraph of his post says a lot about the first.
espeir wrote:
if some individuals commit an act that is actuallly contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent...the individuals are
My god - someone give this man a medal. Wasn't it you who called someone a hypocrite just yesterday for saying the same thing you have just said?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconDavid Wulff wrote:
You see, the second paragraph of his post says a lot about the first.
How so? It points out the obvious.
David Wulff wrote:
Wasn't it you who called someone a hypocrite just yesterday for saying the same thing you have just said?
I doubt that. It's pretty obvious to me and everyone with an ounce of sense that Islam is a violent religion because it preaches violence, whereas Christianity is not because it preaches peace. A Muslim committing a violent act does not denote that the Muslim religion is violent in itself. Rather Islam's active promotion of violence DOES make it a violent religion. I'm guessing you tried to claim that Islam is not violent because acts are committed by individuals, but you ignored the fact that the religion itself promotes violence. I think you might be starting to understand... Kepp working at it.
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Not according to some... :rolleyes: As I understand it the majority of Protestants and Anabaptists consider them to be Christians though (myself included).
J. Dunlap wrote:
Not according to some...
:laugh::laugh: That's a huge surprise to me. I live in a country where 75% of people call themselves Catholic. The tought that they wouldn't be Christians by some obscure theological reason is simply impossible in here. From your answer I googled and found this:http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm[^]: Roman Catholicism is not Christian, it is a satanically inspired counterfeit of Christianity that has deceived billions into worshipping a false Christ. If you really love Catholics, you will gently show them the Truth so that they can decide who they will believe: the Vatican's Catechism, or the Holy Bible. Here are ten glaring false teachings that the Catholic catechism declares. Each one directly contradicts the Word of God This is freaking unbelievable and very, very funny. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano Veloso -
thealj wrote:
But Dave, facts don't matter to people with an agenda!
You are right. Kinda like when liberals say that gun control lowers crime, when the cities with guns banned (like washington DC) have the highest gun crime rates in the nation. MOΛΩN ΛABE
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
You are right. Kinda like when liberals say that gun control lowers crime, when the cities with guns banned (like washington DC) have the highest gun crime rates in the nation.
Yeah, kinda like how America has the lowest (woops) highest rate of gun and violent crime amongst developed countries in the world. But I'm sure it has nothing to do with your gun laws...
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David Wulff wrote:
You see, the second paragraph of his post says a lot about the first.
How so? It points out the obvious.
David Wulff wrote:
Wasn't it you who called someone a hypocrite just yesterday for saying the same thing you have just said?
I doubt that. It's pretty obvious to me and everyone with an ounce of sense that Islam is a violent religion because it preaches violence, whereas Christianity is not because it preaches peace. A Muslim committing a violent act does not denote that the Muslim religion is violent in itself. Rather Islam's active promotion of violence DOES make it a violent religion. I'm guessing you tried to claim that Islam is not violent because acts are committed by individuals, but you ignored the fact that the religion itself promotes violence. I think you might be starting to understand... Kepp working at it.
espeir wrote:
How so? It points out the obvious.
The irony in that comment is so beautiful that it is hard to believe espeir wrote it. :laugh:
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir. -
thealj wrote:
Too bad they got all the good vinyard lands...
Well, thanks to global warming, that situation is going to change. :)
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Well, thanks to global warming, that situation is going to change.
Lol! I'm going to start selling real-estate in cold climate countries promising that, in 10 years, it will be hugely productive and greatly desired as vinyard land! Man, what a scam scheme!
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
You are right. Kinda like when liberals say that gun control lowers crime, when the cities with guns banned (like washington DC) have the highest gun crime rates in the nation.
Yeah, kinda like how America has the lowest (woops) highest rate of gun and violent crime amongst developed countries in the world. But I'm sure it has nothing to do with your gun laws...
thealj wrote:
Yeah, kinda like how America has the lowest (woops) highest rate of gun and violent crime amongst developed countries in the world. But I'm sure it has nothing to do with your gun laws...
No, it has more to do with gangs and illegal mexican immigrants, which buy their guns off the black market anyway. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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thealj wrote:
But Dave, facts don't matter to people with an agenda!
You are right. Kinda like when liberals say that gun control lowers crime, when the cities with guns banned (like washington DC) have the highest gun crime rates in the nation. MOΛΩN ΛABE
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
when the cities with guns banned (like washington DC) have the highest gun crime rates in the nation
Could it be that criminals know that the citizens are unarmed in these cities banning guns?
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More irony: The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the Christmas shopping rush On the other hand, it's no different than any other violent games kids are playing nowadays. They're mature enough to separate fiction from reality, right? It helps keep them off the street and build their reflexes, right? Video games have been shown to be good for brain development, right? Besides, it'll sell like hotcakes. As usual, if there wasn't a market for it, other people wouldn't invest in making the product. We need a video game that pits peaceloving, free love, pot smoking hippy against the warmonger consumer. Hippy weapons include: Massage, meditation, and shrooms, with safe houses at the Esalen Institute[^]. ;P Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
Hippy weapons include: Massage, meditation, and shrooms, with safe houses at the Esalen Institute[^].
Don't forget smell. Hippies smell really bad. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Wow Christianity must be a violent religion. Some criminals blew up a bomb 8 years ago claiming to be Christians. I hope the people from the church down the road dont come shoot me for thinking differently than they do. :rolleyes: For you to put Christianity on the same level as Islam because of an isolated incident, when with Islam it is a widespread, continuing problem is rediculous. I did a google news search for "Iraq roadside bomb", and look what it brings up. Results 1 - 10 of about 15,300 for Iraq RoadSide Bomb.[^] MOΛΩN ΛABE
I think thealj answered this best. End of conversation*. * I am leaving the office
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir. -
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
when the cities with guns banned (like washington DC) have the highest gun crime rates in the nation
Could it be that criminals know that the citizens are unarmed in these cities banning guns?
Paul Conrad wrote:
Could it be that criminals know that the citizens are unarmed in these cities banning guns?
Exactly. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Well, thanks to global warming, that situation is going to change.
Lol! I'm going to start selling real-estate in cold climate countries promising that, in 10 years, it will be hugely productive and greatly desired as vinyard land! Man, what a scam scheme!
I'm actually thinking I might buy some beachfront property in Florida in about 9 years. The National Weather Service is predicting about 10 years of violent hurricanes (no...there's no relation to global warming). By then everything will be so battered that property values might be low. They'll skyrocket after a couple years of no hurricane weather!
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Wow Christianity must be a violent religion. Some criminals blew up a bomb 8 years ago claiming to be Christians. I hope the people from the church down the road dont come shoot me for thinking differently than they do. :rolleyes: For you to put Christianity on the same level as Islam because of an isolated incident, when with Islam it is a widespread, continuing problem is rediculous. I did a google news search for "Iraq roadside bomb", and look what it brings up. Results 1 - 10 of about 15,300 for Iraq RoadSide Bomb.[^] MOΛΩN ΛABE
Let's have some fun with the argumentative technique you so commonly use:
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Wow Christianity Islam must be a violent religion. Some criminals blew up a bomb 8 years ago claiming to be Christians Muslims. I hope the people from the church mosque down the road dont come shoot me for thinking differently than they do. For you to put Christianity Islam on the same level as Islam Christianity because of an isolated incident, when with Islam Christianity it is a widespread, continuing problem is rediculous. I did a google news search for "Iraq roadside bomb" "IRA bombing", and look what it brings up.
IRA bombing[^] :rolleyes:
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espeir wrote:
How so? It points out the obvious.
The irony in that comment is so beautiful that it is hard to believe espeir wrote it. :laugh:
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.I don't get it. Have you just given up your argument? I'm afraid you might want to revisit your childhood textbooks and see what "irony" is because I don't think you really get it.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Hippy weapons include: Massage, meditation, and shrooms, with safe houses at the Esalen Institute[^].
Don't forget smell. Hippies smell really bad. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Hippies smell really bad.
So that's what the flower holder in the VW Bug is for! Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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J. Dunlap wrote:
to convert or kill Catholics,
:confused: Aren't they Christians too? At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoNaw, they're Catholics. :rolleyes:
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Let's have some fun with the argumentative technique you so commonly use:
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Wow Christianity Islam must be a violent religion. Some criminals blew up a bomb 8 years ago claiming to be Christians Muslims. I hope the people from the church mosque down the road dont come shoot me for thinking differently than they do. For you to put Christianity Islam on the same level as Islam Christianity because of an isolated incident, when with Islam Christianity it is a widespread, continuing problem is rediculous. I did a google news search for "Iraq roadside bomb" "IRA bombing", and look what it brings up.
IRA bombing[^] :rolleyes:
You keep taking about the IRA bombing and trying to use that one example to make it look like there is an ongoing problem with violence in christianity. Even if there was (which there is not) it would not change the fact that Islam is a violent religion.
thealj wrote:
IRA bombing[^]
September 11th 2001[^] MOΛΩN ΛABE
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J. Dunlap wrote:
Not according to some...
:laugh::laugh: That's a huge surprise to me. I live in a country where 75% of people call themselves Catholic. The tought that they wouldn't be Christians by some obscure theological reason is simply impossible in here. From your answer I googled and found this:http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm[^]: Roman Catholicism is not Christian, it is a satanically inspired counterfeit of Christianity that has deceived billions into worshipping a false Christ. If you really love Catholics, you will gently show them the Truth so that they can decide who they will believe: the Vatican's Catechism, or the Holy Bible. Here are ten glaring false teachings that the Catholic catechism declares. Each one directly contradicts the Word of God This is freaking unbelievable and very, very funny. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
This is freaking unbelievable and very, very funny.
In college I was approached by one of those born again freaks (they all seem to be former drug addicts). He asked me what I thought of evolution. I told him that I think it's a very viable theory that explains the creation of man and beast. He asked me how I can think that when the bible says different. Being Catholic, I responded that the Pope had even recognized evolution as a viable means to creation because what separates man from beast is the soul and the important point is when man acquired a soul. His response: "Stupid Pope and his stupid hat." :laugh: