Fence 'Em In
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If their visa expired and they're still here, then they're illegals...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001you gotta be kidding me :doh: -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
they are is illegal.
Isnt that what a criminal is? MOΛΩN ΛABE
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Isnt that what a criminal is?
No... unless you committed a crime this morning while you sped on your way to work. ;P
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They're neither lazy
Compared to the ones that actually walked across the desert they are. Of course, I suppose that also means they are the smart ones.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
nor criminal
Actually, they are. By definition, if you break a nation's laws and take actions to avoid punishement, you are a criminal.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
nor invaders
I'm actually pretty sure that 10% of one nation illegally entering another nation constitutes an invasion. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Compared to the ones that actually walked across the desert they are. Of course, I suppose that also means they are the smart ones.
I see... "lazy" because they didn't have to struggle to get here. The problem is that to remain here, they need money. And unless they have lots of that, they have to get their butts working.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Actually, they are. By definition, if you break a nation's laws and take actions to avoid punishement, you are a criminal.
OK... I know a man *cough* who drove over the speed limit this morning and was never caught. Is he a criminal? :rolleyes:
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm actually pretty sure that 10% of one nation illegally entering another nation constitutes an invasion.
Nah, an invasion translates to hostility. Most of these people just want to live and work here, like you and I do.
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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led mike wrote:
Hey maybe we should build the wall out of fire!
No, you'll have dare devils jumping it on motorbikes! Sure would look cool at night though.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Compared to the ones that actually walked across the desert they are. Of course, I suppose that also means they are the smart ones.
I see... "lazy" because they didn't have to struggle to get here. The problem is that to remain here, they need money. And unless they have lots of that, they have to get their butts working.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Actually, they are. By definition, if you break a nation's laws and take actions to avoid punishement, you are a criminal.
OK... I know a man *cough* who drove over the speed limit this morning and was never caught. Is he a criminal? :rolleyes:
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm actually pretty sure that 10% of one nation illegally entering another nation constitutes an invasion.
Nah, an invasion translates to hostility. Most of these people just want to live and work here, like you and I do.
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
OK... I know a man *cough* who drove over the speed limit this morning and was never caught. Is he a criminal?
Well by definition, yes. But I would not put going over the speed limit on the same level as tresspassing. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Wjousts wrote:
That's a hell of a distinction. Do you think walls to keep things out have some magical property that make them more effective than walls to keep things in? Please tell us how that works.
No, the distinction that was made is a moral one. Do you want me to explain that to you? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
No, the distinction that was made is a moral one.
So morality is going to stop people crossing the border? People are going to get to the fence and see the error of their ways? I think JCs point (and JC can feel free to correct me here) was that walls don't work, not that they are immoral.
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:laugh: Do you expect facts to have any meaning to racists? Excelent post, BTW. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoI wish I was Mexican so I could accuse people of racism when they said things about me I did not like. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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That would not surprise me. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Fortunanely, being Irish, I am genetically predisposed to not be a racist. We're just better than most people in that regard. :~ "You get that which you tolerate"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Compared to the ones that actually walked across the desert they are. Of course, I suppose that also means they are the smart ones.
I see... "lazy" because they didn't have to struggle to get here. The problem is that to remain here, they need money. And unless they have lots of that, they have to get their butts working.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Actually, they are. By definition, if you break a nation's laws and take actions to avoid punishement, you are a criminal.
OK... I know a man *cough* who drove over the speed limit this morning and was never caught. Is he a criminal? :rolleyes:
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm actually pretty sure that 10% of one nation illegally entering another nation constitutes an invasion.
Nah, an invasion translates to hostility. Most of these people just want to live and work here, like you and I do.
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
OK... I know a man *cough* who drove over the speed limit this morning and was never caught. Is he a criminal?
If he took actions to avoid the legal consequences for doing so he certainly is.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Nah, an invasion translates to hostility.
The ones I've met are entirely hostile. (Of course, most of the Americans I meet are also hostile so maybe its just me) "You get that which you tolerate"
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I wish I was Mexican so I could accuse people of racism when they said things about me I did not like. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
It is racist of you to assume that fair skinned people can not call someone a racist! :) How dare you deprive me of my human right to accuse and judge someone! :laugh: Jusk in case the joke is missed, I am joking here :) Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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:laugh: Do you expect facts to have any meaning to racists? Excelent post, BTW. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
Do you expect facts to have any meaning to racists?
still on your fucking racist kick, huh? how about we move a couple thousand unwanted guests to your fucking corner of the world, demand that you give them free schooling and medical care, then call you a racist when you decide to enforce your borders / your laws - assuming you have either. (modified to correct 2 spelling errors - too pissed by the racist shit to spell correctly) Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! -- modified at 17:28 Monday 5th June, 2006
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Isnt that what a criminal is?
No... unless you committed a crime this morning while you sped on your way to work. ;P
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No... unless you committed a crime this morning while you sped on your way to work.
So you are comparing entering a country illegally to a traffic violation? MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No... unless you committed a crime this morning while you sped on your way to work.
So you are comparing entering a country illegally to a traffic violation? MOΛΩN ΛABE
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
So you are comparing entering a country illegally to a traffic violation?
No, I'm saying that illegal does not equal criminal.
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
So you are comparing entering a country illegally to a traffic violation?
No, I'm saying that illegal does not equal criminal.
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No, I'm saying that illegal does not equal criminal.
Illegally coming into this country is a felony. Traffic violations are not. Being an illegal immigrant makes you a felon. MOΛΩN ΛABE
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JCParker wrote:
There was a wall that seperated a city in Europe.
Well if you do any reading you will note that wall was to keep people in, against their will. This wall is to keep people out. It's the same as you see in any subdivision.
JCParker wrote:
Before that there was another wall built called a Great Wall, can still be seen today. It did not stop the agressors, only slowed them down and forced them to learn more.
Actually that wall was quite effective. Read here "The Great Wall offers excellent defence since it had been built in strategic places. It played an vital role then. There were many instances in ancient times that it took a very long time to take a city or mountain pass. And even cases that those who launched the attack had to retreat without a fight, for they saw the strong defence work of the city. In the Central Plain of China such firm and high defence work proved to be very useful to foil the attacks of mobile cavalry, which roamed from one place to another. As a result of Ming Dynasty's continuous construction and improvement,the Great Wall became a perfect defence network, whereby the central Chinese authority could, by means of various administrative and military levels of organization, reach the basic or grass root military unit, down to each soldier guarding the Great Wall. " A wall will not keep any military aggressors out, but it will keep criminals out. It may not stop 100%, but if it stops even 50% it will be well worth it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Hadrian's wall was also pretty damned effective. "You get that which you tolerate"
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I wish I was Mexican so I could accuse people of racism when they said things about me I did not like. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter. And to be honest, I can't even say I don't like what they say. I don't even dislike espeir, stan and etc. They are too far away from me to do me any harm. Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine. At a close look, no one is normal.
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I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter. And to be honest, I can't even say I don't like what they say. I don't even dislike espeir, stan and etc. They are too far away from me to do me any harm. Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine
Hopefully not like the women in the remote jungles of Africa that they always seem to find - the ones that run around with their boobs dragging on the ground? I don't want to picture Stan or espeir that way.
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I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter. And to be honest, I can't even say I don't like what they say. I don't even dislike espeir, stan and etc. They are too far away from me to do me any harm. Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter.
The only pertinent fact is that we simply cannot absorb the entire poverty stricken masses of Latin American regardless of what otherwise wonderful people we might be. It is not our fault that these invaders happen to be of another "race" (what ever the hell that means). We have to drawn a line somewhere. It might as well be here and now. If that means being inhumane than we should be inhumane. We are no more obligated to be suicidally nice people than any other nation on the planet. The three million that were given amnesty in 1986 are now 11 million just as everyone at the time knew would happen. The current 11 million are going to become 30 million. The 30 million will become a hundred million at which point we will simply become a Latin American nation. There is absolutely no legislation that has been offered that has done anything to address this massive infiltration of our society by peoples from disfunctional hispanic nations. Regardless of what it takes we need to immediately begin seriously criminalizing businesses that hire them, and begin shipping them back to Mexico, do whatever it takes to secure the border, and than institute a sane guest worker program. This is absolutely our last opportunity to defend the econmic and social integrity of American culture and avoid massive, perhaps cataclysmic, social unrest in the future.
Diego Moita wrote:
Actually I find them a little exotic
What is so exotic about wanting the same migration restrictions that your country maintains? When I see Brazil importing its share of Mexicans, I might consider you as something other than a hypocrit. "You get that which you tolerate"
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kgaddy wrote:
Well if you do any reading you will note that wall was to keep people in, against their will. This wall is to keep people out. It's the same as you see in any subdivision.
That's a hell of a distinction. Do you think walls to keep things out have some magical property that make them more effective than walls to keep things in? Please tell us how that works.
Well, the big distinction that needs to be made about the Berlin wall, aside from keeping people in, was that it was only the final leg of a no man's land along the border which was enforced by the military with a shoot to kill policy for people looking like they were escaping. Sure, that didn't stop everyone but it was pretty effective. If you raise the ante to a high probabibility of being killed if you're caught, people might tend to think twice before trying. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter. And to be honest, I can't even say I don't like what they say. I don't even dislike espeir, stan and etc. They are too far away from me to do me any harm. Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine.
I bet your country is in National Geographic Magazine MOΛΩN ΛABE
