Cut out the propaganda
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Sure, why not? The US is the only country willing to put up the dough for a decent military (which everyone eventually leeches off). We suffer deficits and a weaker dollar as a result, which makes oil more expensive. I think we should be entitled to make their oil our own.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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Sure, why not? The US is the only country willing to put up the dough for a decent military (which everyone eventually leeches off). We suffer deficits and a weaker dollar as a result, which makes oil more expensive. I think we should be entitled to make their oil our own.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
<Being deliberately contentious> Reagon outspends Soviet Union on Military, almost causing USA bankruptcy giving rise to HUGE reductions in Federal spending elsewhere, USA citizens still paying price of that "investment".
espeir wrote:
put up the dough for a decent military
So you want more of the same.
espeir wrote:
makes oil more expensive
Oil more expensive means higher prices at factory gate means higher prices cumsumers to pay which will result in hyper-inflation as workers will want more money to cover higher costs of living that will inevitably lead to a downward spiral giving an financial depression that costs people their livelihood which in turn increases crime ...
espeir wrote:
I think we should be entitled to make their oil our own
What's yours is yours, what's somebody elses is also yours. </Being deliberately contentious> Are these things really what you want ?
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<Being deliberately contentious> Reagon outspends Soviet Union on Military, almost causing USA bankruptcy giving rise to HUGE reductions in Federal spending elsewhere, USA citizens still paying price of that "investment".
espeir wrote:
put up the dough for a decent military
So you want more of the same.
espeir wrote:
makes oil more expensive
Oil more expensive means higher prices at factory gate means higher prices cumsumers to pay which will result in hyper-inflation as workers will want more money to cover higher costs of living that will inevitably lead to a downward spiral giving an financial depression that costs people their livelihood which in turn increases crime ...
espeir wrote:
I think we should be entitled to make their oil our own
What's yours is yours, what's somebody elses is also yours. </Being deliberately contentious> Are these things really what you want ?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Reagon outspends Soviet Union on Military, almost causing USA bankruptcy giving rise to HUGE reductions in Federal spending elsewhere, USA citizens still paying price of that "investment".
That didn't come close to causing the USA's bankruptcy. In fact our national debt is basically in line with most other countries when weighed against our GDP (this is the true measurement and why the US seems high). However, when you combine that with certain socialist policies (like the prescription drug plan and social security), our future obligations are exceeded which can certainly cause bankruptcy.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So you want more of the same.
Sure, it would be nice if Europe helped out every now and then. Sending a couple hundred troops here and there doesn't really cut it. They're leeching off of us.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Oil more expensive means higher prices at factory gate means higher prices cumsumers to pay which will result in hyper-inflation as workers will want more money to cover higher costs of living that will inevitably lead to a downward spiral giving an financial depression that costs people their livelihood which in turn increases crime ...
We've had expensive oil before (late 70s). It certainly isn't pretty. That's why we should just keep the oil in the Middle East.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
What's yours is yours, what's somebody elses is also yours.
They're screwed up and don't deserve what they have. We're spending a lot to straighten out their own mess, so we deserve payback.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Are these things really what you want ?
Let's see. A lesser military obligation. Cheap oil. New beachfront real estate. Sure, why not?
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Reagon outspends Soviet Union on Military, almost causing USA bankruptcy giving rise to HUGE reductions in Federal spending elsewhere, USA citizens still paying price of that "investment".
That didn't come close to causing the USA's bankruptcy. In fact our national debt is basically in line with most other countries when weighed against our GDP (this is the true measurement and why the US seems high). However, when you combine that with certain socialist policies (like the prescription drug plan and social security), our future obligations are exceeded which can certainly cause bankruptcy.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So you want more of the same.
Sure, it would be nice if Europe helped out every now and then. Sending a couple hundred troops here and there doesn't really cut it. They're leeching off of us.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Oil more expensive means higher prices at factory gate means higher prices cumsumers to pay which will result in hyper-inflation as workers will want more money to cover higher costs of living that will inevitably lead to a downward spiral giving an financial depression that costs people their livelihood which in turn increases crime ...
We've had expensive oil before (late 70s). It certainly isn't pretty. That's why we should just keep the oil in the Middle East.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
What's yours is yours, what's somebody elses is also yours.
They're screwed up and don't deserve what they have. We're spending a lot to straighten out their own mess, so we deserve payback.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Are these things really what you want ?
Let's see. A lesser military obligation. Cheap oil. New beachfront real estate. Sure, why not?
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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I'm joking (mostly) in case you couldn't tell. I am serious when I say that the Middle East is in desperate need of a conclusionary (just made that word up) war to put an end to its constant barrage of mini-strifes.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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John, You can't be suggesting the use of "weapons of mass destruction" ? So I suppose that would mean the end of Israel, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraw, Iran, Syria, Palestine etc. But that would create new problems - industry dying through lack of oil which would give rise to the conditions enjoyed during earlier epoch that is displayed by so many Hollywood Sci-Fi films.
Yeah, yeah, blah blah - millions of people die - blah blah. Truth: Nobody's gonna miss a few million religious zealots fighting over an acre of sand. Silver lining: The news media can focus on other parts of the world, our presidents can find other much more entertaining (and interesting) ways to sabotage their own political careers, and we'd all be forced to find an alternative fuel because the entire middle east will be a wasteland for a billion years.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I'm joking (mostly) in case you couldn't tell. I am serious when I say that the Middle East is in desperate need of a conclusionary (just made that word up) war to put an end to its constant barrage of mini-strifes.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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Yeah, yeah, blah blah - millions of people die - blah blah. Truth: Nobody's gonna miss a few million religious zealots fighting over an acre of sand. Silver lining: The news media can focus on other parts of the world, our presidents can find other much more entertaining (and interesting) ways to sabotage their own political careers, and we'd all be forced to find an alternative fuel because the entire middle east will be a wasteland for a billion years.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
we'd all be forced to find an alternative fuel
You might have to do that sooner rather than later if the doom-merchants of global warming are right, anyhow, isn't oil supposed to run out in the not too distant future?
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You fooled me tooooooo easily :)
espeir wrote:
put an end to its constant barrage of mini-strifes
Agree
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Well, you guys have proven that you lack the capability to do it any other way.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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Well, you guys have proven that you lack the capability to do it any other way.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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The solution is to turn the entire middle east into a glass parking lot...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Right. Do you understand that this would put us at war with the rest of the world? Do you know how nervous a first strike on any country would make Russia and China, both with nukes and the missiles to deliver them? Do you think the leader who gives that order will go down in history as the person who brought peace to the Middle East, or the greatest mass murderer the world has ever known? Have you considered how global weather patterns would disperse the fallout? Any ideas how neighboring, non-Islamic countries might feel about a significant number of nukes detonated next door? Have you considered that we would then have to deal with hundreds of millions of now entirely justifiably pissed-off Muslims who are not currently living in the Middle East? Are you ready to be drafted and spend the rest of your life in the military, either securing the oil fields, or guarding our borders? Just off the top of my head, I can think of about a dozen more reasons why your "plan" royally sucks. Hope you design code better than you design peace.
...as innocuous as a wire tap. —Stan Shannon
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Right. Do you understand that this would put us at war with the rest of the world? Do you know how nervous a first strike on any country would make Russia and China, both with nukes and the missiles to deliver them? Do you think the leader who gives that order will go down in history as the person who brought peace to the Middle East, or the greatest mass murderer the world has ever known? Have you considered how global weather patterns would disperse the fallout? Any ideas how neighboring, non-Islamic countries might feel about a significant number of nukes detonated next door? Have you considered that we would then have to deal with hundreds of millions of now entirely justifiably pissed-off Muslims who are not currently living in the Middle East? Are you ready to be drafted and spend the rest of your life in the military, either securing the oil fields, or guarding our borders? Just off the top of my head, I can think of about a dozen more reasons why your "plan" royally sucks. Hope you design code better than you design peace.
...as innocuous as a wire tap. —Stan Shannon
Hey, look John, you hooked one...
"The key, the whole key, and nothing but the key, so help me Codd"
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Hey, look John, you hooked one...
"The key, the whole key, and nothing but the key, so help me Codd"
All those conversations with Stan have made it difficult for me to recognize an actual troll. :)
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Right. Do you understand that this would put us at war with the rest of the world? Do you know how nervous a first strike on any country would make Russia and China, both with nukes and the missiles to deliver them? Do you think the leader who gives that order will go down in history as the person who brought peace to the Middle East, or the greatest mass murderer the world has ever known? Have you considered how global weather patterns would disperse the fallout? Any ideas how neighboring, non-Islamic countries might feel about a significant number of nukes detonated next door? Have you considered that we would then have to deal with hundreds of millions of now entirely justifiably pissed-off Muslims who are not currently living in the Middle East? Are you ready to be drafted and spend the rest of your life in the military, either securing the oil fields, or guarding our borders? Just off the top of my head, I can think of about a dozen more reasons why your "plan" royally sucks. Hope you design code better than you design peace.
...as innocuous as a wire tap. —Stan Shannon
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Right. Do you understand that this would put us at war with the rest of the world?
Yeah, right after they thank us for vaporizing 99.9% of the world's troublemakers...
Do you know how nervous a first strike on any country would make Russia and China, both with nukes and the missiles to deliver them?
I say lets those pinko commie fags slap their dicks on the table and we'll all sit around comparing sizes.
Do you think the leader who gives that order will go down in history as the person who brought peace to the Middle East, or the greatest mass murderer the world has ever known?
I don't think Bush cares. he'll have another chance to say "nuc-u-lar" a whole bunch of times.
Have you considered how global weather patterns would disperse the fallout?
Nope. I'm a programmer, not a weatherman.
Any ideas how neighboring, non-Islamic countries might feel about a significant number of nukes detonated next door?
Nope, but I'd be willing to bet they'd be on their best behaior 'cause we got lots more where the first one came from.
Have you considered that we would then have to deal with hundreds of millions of now entirely justifiably pissed-off Muslims who are not currently living in the Middle East?
What is this "middle east" you're talking about? After turning it into a barren nucular wasteland, I'd hesitate to give it a name that didn't start with "Ohhh, Shiney".
Are you ready to be drafted and spend the rest of your life in the military, either securing the oil fields, or guarding our borders?
I'm too old to be drafted, and bsides, I've already spent time in the military - long before you were even born.
Just off the top of my head, I can think of about a dozen more reasons why your "plan" royally sucks.
But you're to fuckin' lazy to list them, unless oif course that was a rhetorical statement.
Hope you design code better than you design peace.
I hope you're not a retard like this all the time...
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Hey, look John, you hooked one...
"The key, the whole key, and nothing but the key, so help me Codd"
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When is saig "agree" this is what I was agreeing to "put an end to its constant barrage of mini-strifes" preferably by peaceful means, but by war if need be, but without interference (nor support (militarily or intelligence or finance etc)) from any external country (such as USA, UK, Russia, France, Germany etc). Any interference I suspect would inflame the situation even more. How that would resolve remains to be seen.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
we'd all be forced to find an alternative fuel
You might have to do that sooner rather than later if the doom-merchants of global warming are right, anyhow, isn't oil supposed to run out in the not too distant future?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
isn't oil supposed to run out in the not too distant future?
Run out of what? I personally wish they'd find a viable alternative. $110 per week for gas (two vehicles) is too goddamn much money.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Right. Do you understand that this would put us at war with the rest of the world?
Yeah, right after they thank us for vaporizing 99.9% of the world's troublemakers...
Do you know how nervous a first strike on any country would make Russia and China, both with nukes and the missiles to deliver them?
I say lets those pinko commie fags slap their dicks on the table and we'll all sit around comparing sizes.
Do you think the leader who gives that order will go down in history as the person who brought peace to the Middle East, or the greatest mass murderer the world has ever known?
I don't think Bush cares. he'll have another chance to say "nuc-u-lar" a whole bunch of times.
Have you considered how global weather patterns would disperse the fallout?
Nope. I'm a programmer, not a weatherman.
Any ideas how neighboring, non-Islamic countries might feel about a significant number of nukes detonated next door?
Nope, but I'd be willing to bet they'd be on their best behaior 'cause we got lots more where the first one came from.
Have you considered that we would then have to deal with hundreds of millions of now entirely justifiably pissed-off Muslims who are not currently living in the Middle East?
What is this "middle east" you're talking about? After turning it into a barren nucular wasteland, I'd hesitate to give it a name that didn't start with "Ohhh, Shiney".
Are you ready to be drafted and spend the rest of your life in the military, either securing the oil fields, or guarding our borders?
I'm too old to be drafted, and bsides, I've already spent time in the military - long before you were even born.
Just off the top of my head, I can think of about a dozen more reasons why your "plan" royally sucks.
But you're to fuckin' lazy to list them, unless oif course that was a rhetorical statement.
Hope you design code better than you design peace.
I hope you're not a retard like this all the time...
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm too old to be drafted, and bsides, I've already spent time in the military - long before you were even born.
Sorry, I don't believe in that "past life" new age crap.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I hope you're not a retard like this all the time...
You should consider changing your name to Richard. It would be funny in some small way to see your redneck trolling attributed to Richard Simmons (related?), and it would give people yet another reason to call you Dick.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm too old to be drafted, and bsides, I've already spent time in the military - long before you were even born.
Sorry, I don't believe in that "past life" new age crap.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I hope you're not a retard like this all the time...
You should consider changing your name to Richard. It would be funny in some small way to see your redneck trolling attributed to Richard Simmons (related?), and it would give people yet another reason to call you Dick.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
You should consider changing your name to Richard. It would be funny in some small way to see your redneck trolling attributed to Richard Simmons (related?), and it would give people yet another reason to call you Dick.
What are you, 12 years old?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
