A damn fine idea
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License the Afghan Opium crop[^]. Why fight two wars and ruin the livelihood of people who often fight for money.. If we see more naked libertarianism like this coming from the Tories, it could make for an interesting election. Which means its probably not very likely.
Ryan
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License the Afghan Opium crop[^]. Why fight two wars and ruin the livelihood of people who often fight for money.. If we see more naked libertarianism like this coming from the Tories, it could make for an interesting election. Which means its probably not very likely.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs. In theory this should mean that drug-related crime dwindles to nothing, freeing up the police to concentrate on other crimes. It should also mean fewer drug addicts hospitalised or dying because of taking bad drugs or using dirty needles. Further, it becomes mainstream which would take a lot of the 'fun' out of using illicit drugs. So, in theory, it should make the world a better, brighter, happier place: maybe our taxes could go down because of the money we make form selling the drugs to anyone who wants them and saving money on policing and the health service. Might even mean cleaner, safer streets, less petty crime. And the poor farmers in Columbia or Afghanistan would earn a decent living. Perhaps they could be sold next to the fruit in Tesco/Walmart. The upside of all this sounds amazing, incredible. Anyone care to refute or counterpoint? See, because even I don't believe that it can be that simple. One thing: mental health problems in Holland, a very liberal country where one can purchase drugs quite openly and freely, are rising year-on-year due, in great part, to drug use.
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I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs. In theory this should mean that drug-related crime dwindles to nothing, freeing up the police to concentrate on other crimes. It should also mean fewer drug addicts hospitalised or dying because of taking bad drugs or using dirty needles. Further, it becomes mainstream which would take a lot of the 'fun' out of using illicit drugs. So, in theory, it should make the world a better, brighter, happier place: maybe our taxes could go down because of the money we make form selling the drugs to anyone who wants them and saving money on policing and the health service. Might even mean cleaner, safer streets, less petty crime. And the poor farmers in Columbia or Afghanistan would earn a decent living. Perhaps they could be sold next to the fruit in Tesco/Walmart. The upside of all this sounds amazing, incredible. Anyone care to refute or counterpoint? See, because even I don't believe that it can be that simple. One thing: mental health problems in Holland, a very liberal country where one can purchase drugs quite openly and freely, are rising year-on-year due, in great part, to drug use.
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doordigital man wrote:
In theory this should mean that drug-related crime dwindles to nothing
Yes I have always thought that as well! I believe, in the UK, c. 50 years ago it was possible to get Heroin on presciption from your Doctor, after it was stopped then drug abuse became endemic. Now the two are probably not connected, but who knows? Also wasn't some of the best English poetry written by poets high on Opium?
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
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digital man wrote:
In theory this should mean that drug-related crime dwindles to nothing
Yes I have always thought that as well! I believe, in the UK, c. 50 years ago it was possible to get Heroin on presciption from your Doctor, after it was stopped then drug abuse became endemic. Now the two are probably not connected, but who knows? Also wasn't some of the best English poetry written by poets high on Opium?
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
When heroin was legal[^] I believe that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Samuel Taylor Coleridge were part of the throng.
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I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs. In theory this should mean that drug-related crime dwindles to nothing, freeing up the police to concentrate on other crimes. It should also mean fewer drug addicts hospitalised or dying because of taking bad drugs or using dirty needles. Further, it becomes mainstream which would take a lot of the 'fun' out of using illicit drugs. So, in theory, it should make the world a better, brighter, happier place: maybe our taxes could go down because of the money we make form selling the drugs to anyone who wants them and saving money on policing and the health service. Might even mean cleaner, safer streets, less petty crime. And the poor farmers in Columbia or Afghanistan would earn a decent living. Perhaps they could be sold next to the fruit in Tesco/Walmart. The upside of all this sounds amazing, incredible. Anyone care to refute or counterpoint? See, because even I don't believe that it can be that simple. One thing: mental health problems in Holland, a very liberal country where one can purchase drugs quite openly and freely, are rising year-on-year due, in great part, to drug use.
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I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs. In theory this should mean that drug-related crime dwindles to nothing, freeing up the police to concentrate on other crimes. It should also mean fewer drug addicts hospitalised or dying because of taking bad drugs or using dirty needles. Further, it becomes mainstream which would take a lot of the 'fun' out of using illicit drugs. So, in theory, it should make the world a better, brighter, happier place: maybe our taxes could go down because of the money we make form selling the drugs to anyone who wants them and saving money on policing and the health service. Might even mean cleaner, safer streets, less petty crime. And the poor farmers in Columbia or Afghanistan would earn a decent living. Perhaps they could be sold next to the fruit in Tesco/Walmart. The upside of all this sounds amazing, incredible. Anyone care to refute or counterpoint? See, because even I don't believe that it can be that simple. One thing: mental health problems in Holland, a very liberal country where one can purchase drugs quite openly and freely, are rising year-on-year due, in great part, to drug use.
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doordigital man wrote:
I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs.
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them. But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore. The problem has been solved, police has time to concentrate on other crimes. :mad:
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digital man wrote:
I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs.
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them. But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore. The problem has been solved, police has time to concentrate on other crimes. :mad:
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ihoecken wrote:
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them.
So you think that less die a squalid death now because they are not legal and controlled? Regardless of the legality of drugs people will always die from abusing them.
ihoecken wrote:
But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore. The problem has been solved, police has time to concentrate on other crimes.
Actually sounds pretty logical... unless someone you care about has been snared by drugs: you might feel differently then.
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ihoecken wrote:
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them.
So you think that less die a squalid death now because they are not legal and controlled? Regardless of the legality of drugs people will always die from abusing them.
ihoecken wrote:
But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore. The problem has been solved, police has time to concentrate on other crimes.
Actually sounds pretty logical... unless someone you care about has been snared by drugs: you might feel differently then.
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So you think that less die a squalid death now because they are not legal and controlled? Regardless of the legality of drugs people will always die from abusing them.
Personally I don't think that there will be less people dying because there legallized. Look at cigarettes. When the prices grow and it's not allowed to smoke everywhere, less people smoke and less are dying. It's a nice idea that drugs won't kill so much people but history shows something different.
digital man wrote:
Actually sounds pretty logical... unless someone you care about has been snared by drugs: you might feel differently then.
It was sarcasm. In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally. So why don't kill them in other ways... Regards, Ingo
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digital man wrote:
So you think that less die a squalid death now because they are not legal and controlled? Regardless of the legality of drugs people will always die from abusing them.
Personally I don't think that there will be less people dying because there legallized. Look at cigarettes. When the prices grow and it's not allowed to smoke everywhere, less people smoke and less are dying. It's a nice idea that drugs won't kill so much people but history shows something different.
digital man wrote:
Actually sounds pretty logical... unless someone you care about has been snared by drugs: you might feel differently then.
It was sarcasm. In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally. So why don't kill them in other ways... Regards, Ingo
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ihoecken wrote:
So why don't kill them in other ways
Because there's a fair moral difference between suicide by stupidity and murder.
Ryan
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ihoecken wrote:
So why don't kill them in other ways
Because there's a fair moral difference between suicide by stupidity and murder.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Hey, I wrote it was sarcasm!
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digital man wrote:
I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs.
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them. But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore. The problem has been solved, police has time to concentrate on other crimes. :mad:
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ihoecken wrote:
But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore.
That's fine. Make sure you include cigarettes and booze in there, to make sure we get all the 'junkies'. Oh, wait - that's 60% of the population dead.
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I have always been for legalising and taxing drugs.
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them. But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore. The problem has been solved, police has time to concentrate on other crimes. :mad:
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ihoecken wrote:
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them
That's not really true.
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ihoecken wrote:
Well they are not legal because in former times when they were many died because of them
That's not really true.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
What is not true? That they aren't legal because of many dead or that many people died because of drugs?
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ihoecken wrote:
But perhaps poison can be added to drugs and mixed under the normal solds. So the junkies die like flies and nobody trusts in drugs anymore.
That's fine. Make sure you include cigarettes and booze in there, to make sure we get all the 'junkies'. Oh, wait - that's 60% of the population dead.
Craster wrote:
That's fine. Make sure you include cigarettes and booze in there, to make sure we get all the 'junkies'. Oh, wait - that's 60% of the population dead.
Oh. Good idea. No we have not just solved the problem of crime, but the overpopulation of the earth, too. :wtf:
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What is not true? That they aren't legal because of many dead or that many people died because of drugs?
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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digital man wrote:
So you think that less die a squalid death now because they are not legal and controlled? Regardless of the legality of drugs people will always die from abusing them.
Personally I don't think that there will be less people dying because there legallized. Look at cigarettes. When the prices grow and it's not allowed to smoke everywhere, less people smoke and less are dying. It's a nice idea that drugs won't kill so much people but history shows something different.
digital man wrote:
Actually sounds pretty logical... unless someone you care about has been snared by drugs: you might feel differently then.
It was sarcasm. In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally. So why don't kill them in other ways... Regards, Ingo
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ihoecken wrote:
In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally
Becaused you obviously know nothing about it. I wonder if the Netherlands have experienced huge fatality increases since legalising drugs. I doubt it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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ihoecken wrote:
In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally
Becaused you obviously know nothing about it. I wonder if the Netherlands have experienced huge fatality increases since legalising drugs. I doubt it.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Becaused you obviously know nothing about it. I wonder if the Netherlands have experienced huge fatality increases since legalising drugs. I doubt it.
First there was legalization of soft drugs. Second point is that the use of drugs is now stricter controlled than some years ago. The "lax" laws are now stricter again. Why should the change them, when there are no problems and everything is better?
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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I'm not talking about some soft drugs, but even those have high risks. Doped drivers don't have control over their cars (just like alcoholed, but I think it's obvious why alcohole is legal). I though of hard drugs, like heroin, opium, etc. Regards, Ingo
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope
By the way, a cousin of mine died because of dope. He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope
Then your imagination is seriously limited.