A damn fine idea
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digital man wrote:
So you think that less die a squalid death now because they are not legal and controlled? Regardless of the legality of drugs people will always die from abusing them.
Personally I don't think that there will be less people dying because there legallized. Look at cigarettes. When the prices grow and it's not allowed to smoke everywhere, less people smoke and less are dying. It's a nice idea that drugs won't kill so much people but history shows something different.
digital man wrote:
Actually sounds pretty logical... unless someone you care about has been snared by drugs: you might feel differently then.
It was sarcasm. In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally. So why don't kill them in other ways... Regards, Ingo
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ihoecken wrote:
In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally
Becaused you obviously know nothing about it. I wonder if the Netherlands have experienced huge fatality increases since legalising drugs. I doubt it.
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ihoecken wrote:
In my eyes more people will die when you can by drugs everywhere legally
Becaused you obviously know nothing about it. I wonder if the Netherlands have experienced huge fatality increases since legalising drugs. I doubt it.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Becaused you obviously know nothing about it. I wonder if the Netherlands have experienced huge fatality increases since legalising drugs. I doubt it.
First there was legalization of soft drugs. Second point is that the use of drugs is now stricter controlled than some years ago. The "lax" laws are now stricter again. Why should the change them, when there are no problems and everything is better?
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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I'm not talking about some soft drugs, but even those have high risks. Doped drivers don't have control over their cars (just like alcoholed, but I think it's obvious why alcohole is legal). I though of hard drugs, like heroin, opium, etc. Regards, Ingo
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope
By the way, a cousin of mine died because of dope. He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope
Then your imagination is seriously limited.
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ihoecken wrote:
That they aren't legal because of many dead
That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope.
It would probably be less insidious if it did kill.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope
By the way, a cousin of mine died because of dope. He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.
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ihoecken wrote:
He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma. BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol. But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope
Then your imagination is seriously limited.
Really ? I still doubt it. I'd love to see stats on people dying of a marijuana overdose.
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ihoecken wrote:
He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma. BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol. But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma.
Right, he felt in coma because of the accident, but his brain was damaged by the drugs so that they couldn't wake him up again.
Christian Graus wrote:
BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol.
Me too. I don't drink, smoke or use any drugs except for chocolate :)
Christian Graus wrote:
But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.
I'm not sure if that is true. A friend of mine is working as a social worker for junkies (alcohol and drugs). She said that junkies begin with small doses and that they grow. It's a question of time until they take overdoses, because they need more every time. For Opium I know that many suffered a sore death when it was legal. Look at those who use heroin for many years. They are fading and they'll die no matter if they take an overdose or not. Regards, Ingo
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma.
Right, he felt in coma because of the accident, but his brain was damaged by the drugs so that they couldn't wake him up again.
Christian Graus wrote:
BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol.
Me too. I don't drink, smoke or use any drugs except for chocolate :)
Christian Graus wrote:
But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.
I'm not sure if that is true. A friend of mine is working as a social worker for junkies (alcohol and drugs). She said that junkies begin with small doses and that they grow. It's a question of time until they take overdoses, because they need more every time. For Opium I know that many suffered a sore death when it was legal. Look at those who use heroin for many years. They are fading and they'll die no matter if they take an overdose or not. Regards, Ingo
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ihoecken wrote:
A friend of mine is working as a social worker for junkies (alcohol and drugs). She said that junkies begin with small doses and that they grow. It's a question of time until they take overdoses, because they need more every time.
No, you've got it wrong. You're right - the body gets accustomed to a drug and so you need more to get a hit. But as the body is accustomed, that doesn't cause overdoses. What causes an overdose usually is a supply of a pure drug. If heroin is sometimes pure, and sometimes cut 50% with something, it's not hard to see why it would be hard to work out a dosage.
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